Sebastian Vettel Thread

@gilles

are you surprised by the media outcry???

The media have been longing for Seb to have a difficult race so they could get stuck into him. and they've grabbed the opportunity with both hands.

Seb havn´t lost some of his skills, he is a very fast F1 driver. I bet that he will finish this season with moore points than Lewis.

Im not at all. The way people tried to tear Seb down after qualy in Australia to only end up eating humble pie on race day warned me of what was to come.

But given how they have reacted to such a minor mishap, I just wonder what people would have said if Seb had had a horrible race like the one Hamilton had in Monaco or Spa or even Monza last year.

He'd be a leading designer who's created three WDC/WCC winning cars with three separate teams, that's where HE would be! Adrian was winning F1 championships while vettel was still sucking on his mum's boobies.

So what happened now ? Why are RB 1 sec off in the Q3

Shall we agree on drivers ?

Edited by SirRacer, 30 March 2012 - 10:32.

Even the best designer can't expect to win all the championships every year, all years. F1 is so difficult and competitive that even if you're the best overall, there's always gonna be people who beat you.

NK "draws a line" under the issue - but then chucks this one in at the end:

"There are five other world champions on the grid who have been through a lot, and been through bad times, but none of them reacted like that," he said. "In my opinion it was a racing incident."

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/98464

I reckon the handbags haven't quite finished yet. The driver briefing in China will certainly be interesting........

With the arrival of Hamilton, so did the gutter press and gossip mongering journalism. Many new F1 writers/journalists came on the scene and let rip with their views. The Times', Ed Gorman the journalist/blogger being a prime example. These guys blurred the boundaries of objectivity, constructive criticism and simply stating the facts, with gossip, innuendo, out-right exaggeration coupled with sensationalism, with a boated sense of self-worth. People like Benson have soiled journalism. They no longer report news and leave it up to the reader to form an opinion. They now lead with an opinion, or slant, then have the audacity to pretend they have no agenda and are completely unbiased and neutral. Hamilton being disappointed with 3rd place in Melbourne, is a prime example. Most journalists never told the story from the perspective of Hamilton was disappointed with 3rd, then leave it to the reader to extrapolate the possible reasons why he was disappointed. They increasingly fill in the blanks for you, and the less discerning in the population, swallow these as undisputed fact. Benson et al, now regularly attempt to pass off their opinions as fact and it has become a disease within F1 journalism.

But No, dont you know of the latest breaking news? Sebastian Vettel is going through a major meltdown of epic proportions!!!

... just ask fieraku. He will tell you the whole story.

It was just a meltdown nothing epic about it and nothing we haven't seen from him in the past.

It was just a meltdown nothing epic about it and nothing we haven't seen from him in the past. Has he apologized btw?

Petrov?

I was the one who has raised this issue earlier on. Point being, that two drivers can evaluate the same situation, and arriving to diametrically opposing point of view. Schumacher may think that NK had more than ample space to avoid the altercations, whereas less capable driver would ask perhaps for more space, which ultimately results in comments in media we read. I am not sure what Hulkenberg saw and we missed, but considering for whom he works and where he was at that time, I am going to forget that, even as I think he could have danced around the answer, unless of course he believes in what he said. Petrov is another story altogether.

Edited by maverick69, 30 March 2012 - 14:31.

Could be. Im really surprised bout what he said. The only sensible explanation is that he didnt watch any footage. Of course hes not clueless on racing, and dont think he has any issue with Seb.

Why should he apologise? IMO it wouldnt be genuine.

NK has an awfully short memory, One of them went so far as to accuse the stewards of racism, and to label other drivers as "frickin ridiculous"


Regarding the whole Vettel "Meltdown", some might do well to remember that Lewis has seemingly had an annual "meltdown", it might be wise to wait and see what this years one will consist of

Why should he apologise? IMO it wouldnt be genuine.

Because it's normal human behavior. Why wouldn't it?Vettel lost his top and had a moment,or an hour or two and upon reflection he should realize he made a mess and genuinely apologize.

Unless he's a self centered sadist who believes he can do no wrong.

The simple fact is though that virtually every driver (past and present) who has been questioned has apportioned a fair chunk of the blame to Vettel.

Have they all got an agenda?

Edited by Sakae, 30 March 2012 - 16:06.

How is it "sensible" to conclude that Petrov would say the following without having seen any footage?

“Karthikeyan didn’t do anything unnecessary - didn’t hit him, didn’t change direction sharply. Sebastian overtook him and started to turn. But Narain was going straight.”

Why should he apologise? IMO it wouldnt be genuine.

Not really. If im pissed at someone and really tell it to his/her face, then i wont apologise. Why? Because i think they are assholes who dont deserve it. Why should you apologise for something you truly feel?

We're not talking about what 'you' would do.Vettel was out of line with his bird and remarks,that's why.

In this PC world, it doesn't matter if it is genuine, as long as he suffers the humiliation in doing so. Some people just want to see some contrition from Vettel and I think they're wrong. It's a deliberate tactic to heap external pressure on him, designed to make him face pressure on, as well as off the track. This type of pressure will wear anybody down after time. Look at Hamilton last year and Massa this year. Even McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh, made comments about Massa, regarding him being replaced by Perez, which was deliberately designed to put him under further pressure. Vettel won't help his cause at all if he is caught up in any kind of racing incident, or makes another non-PC quote in the near future, because the press will descend on him like wolves.

He doesnt have to apologise about the incident, but, as a Seb fan, I feel that an apology for the 'Idiot' remarks wouldnt be a bad thing at all.

How is it "sensible" to conclude that Petrov would say the following without having seen any footage?

“Karthikeyan didn’t do anything unnecessary - didn’t hit him, didn’t change direction sharply. Sebastian overtook him and started to turn. But Narain was going straight.”

Edited by Skinnyguy, 30 March 2012 - 17:55.

wow!

Brundle, Coulthard and Croft!

It´s the most sensible thing to think because what he said doesn´t have anything to do with the footage avaliable.

I've always liked how forum members act like they know more about racing than racing drivers themselves

Lewis did have his fair share of meltdown, but he never called a fellow driver an "idiot" or "cucumber" or whatever in any language.

Adrian is a great designer but the successes had a lot to do with Sebastian.
One might as well say - Without Sebastian where would Adrian be ?

He would be designing WDC winning cars for someone other than Vettel

A simple logical extension will give the answer to your own question (unless it was rhetorical in the first place) .... just assume that the car for the last 2 years was always like how its today - Designed by Newey but miles off the McLaren.
Would you rate Newey like you do now?

Well if the car was like it is now i'm guessing that Vettel wouldnt be a WDC, interesting you consider the 2nd fastest car a failure because Vettel cant make up the difference

Yeah Perez beat Vettel in the inferior car but he beat the 2 "greater" drivers in a greater car !! You know who I m talking about - Dont you

I dont recall Perez beating Alonso

Based on Vettel's 2008 win his wet races since are somewhat patchy which raises the question that his car was really very good

TC / EBD / Pirellis dont matter - There is no fixed purist formula in F1. You have to make the best of what you have.
Hamilton did whatever he had in 2008 and thus won the title - Kudos
Vettel raised the bar even higher in 2011 when he maximised the car and demolished the field.

Saying EBD helped Vettel is like saying the Steering Wheel helped all the previous champs ... EBD is just a part of the car and other cars had an even better versions of it.
Just the drivers were shall I say "little worse" to get the max out of it

Now that special skill of Vettel is not useful so he is suffering this slight dip in performance vis-a-vis his teammate who is no slouch in qualifying himself - never mind 2011.
But the best part is
If Button wins the teammate battle - we raise Button to top tier.
If Webber does so - we retrofit the argument that Vettel is average to begin with.

You keep with the arguement that Vettel was the best driver with the EBD when its just a simple matter that the Red Bull was the fastest car

In australia , Button had Lewis in his pocket in terms of pace. And Vettel would have had him in the overcut or at the most towards the end of the race - thats what really happened.

Lewis had a compromised race and Webber was just as quick as Vettel so Vettel didnt exactly do anything special

Thats another skill as far as I m concerned .... each should play to their strengths .

He'd be a leading designer who's created three WDC/WCC winning cars with three separate teams, that's where HE would be! Adrian was winning F1 championships while vettel was still sucking on his mum's boobies.

So what happened now ? Why are RB 1 sec off in the Q3

Shall we agree on drivers ?

"monkeys" "frikking ridicolous" "stupid"

Guess you're right, no "idiot" or "cucumber" in there.

Petrov gave a description of the incident. That description does not match your interpretation of what happened, that's all.
It is quite normal (as this board should testify) for two people to have different interpretations of the same event/incident.

The only apology due here is FIA's, for granting Karthikeyan a Super License.

The only apology due here is FIA's, for granting Karthikeyan a Super License.

"monkeys" "frikking ridicolous" "stupid"

Guess you're right, no "idiot" or "cucumber" in there.

"monkeys" "frikking ridicolous" "stupid"

Guess you're right, no "idiot" or "cucumber" in there.

Edited by pinkypants, 31 March 2012 - 02:01.

How is it "sensible" to conclude that Petrov would say the following without having seen any footage?

“Karthikeyan didn’t do anything unnecessary - didn’t hit him, didn’t change direction sharply. Sebastian overtook him and started to turn. But Narain was going straight.”

Why not? He got 4th spot at Indianapolis in his first season (2005) in a Jordan, that is some achievement given a lot of drivers today haven't even finished that high in their career.

The only apology due here is FIA's, for granting Karthikeyan a Super License.

Edited by mprtc, 31 March 2012 - 04:48.

no , apology from FIA for granting Vettel a superlicense