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1-litre Formula 3

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#101 Rob29

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Posted 06 October 2004 - 12:09

Cadwell photo is heat 1 of Lincolnshire International Trophy Sep 29 1969.
Grid;
1-Schenken Brabham BT28
7-Jaussaud Tecno
2-Peterson March 693
19-Cyd Williams Chevron B15
3-Ikuzawa Lotus 59-NS crashed in prctice
4-Johansson Brabham BT21
23-Mazet Lotus 59
6-Beuttler Brabham BT28
9-Nunn Lotus 59
55-Hawthorne Brabham BT21B
8-Maskell Chevron B15
17-Jupp Brabham BT28
49-Sutcliffe Brabham BT28
18-Moore Chevron B9-DNS
50-McInerney Chevron B15
12-Barker Alexis Mk 17
15-Jacobsson Brabham BR231B
10-Keele Brabham BT21B started in heat 2!!

#102 Nanni Dietrich

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Posted 06 October 2004 - 12:36

I have this final classification for the Cadwell Park race, Sept. 1969:

1 1 Tim Schenken, AUS - Sports Motors - Brabham BT28 39'21.6"
2 34 Howden Ganley, NZ - Howden Ganley - Chevron B15 39'22.0"
3 2 Ronnie Peterson, S - March Engineering - March 693 39'38.0"
4 37 James Hunt, GB - Motor Racing Enterprises - Brabham BT21B 39'38.0"
5 24 Reine Wisell, S - Chevron Cars - Chevron B15 39'39.0"
6 38 Ulf Svensson, S - Ulf Svensson - Brabham BT28 39'59.8"
7 9 Morris Nunn, GB - Team Lotus - Lotus 59
8 7 Jean-Pierre Jaussaud, F - Meubles Arnold/Shell - Tecno
9 41 Mike Keens, GB - Auto Speed Developments - Tecno
10 6 Mike Beuttler, GB - Clarke/Mordaunt Team - Brabham BT28
11 30 Peter Hanson, GB - Paul Watson Racing Organisation - Chevron B15
12 19 Cyd Williams, GB - Goodwin Racing - Chevron B15
13 8 Barrie Maskell, GB - Barrie Maskell - Chevron B15
14 40 Lars-Åke Tejby, S - Lars-Åke Tejby - Brabham BT28

#103 Nanni Dietrich

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Posted 06 October 2004 - 13:58

Originally posted by Cirrus
Here are some more pictures from the same 1969 meeting at Cadwell

Not sure who this is

Number 6, yellow Brabham: so he is Mike Beuttler!
:up:

#104 RTH

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Posted 06 October 2004 - 14:15

Originally posted by ian senior

Hmm. Sounds like a useful reference work, but something that will give no real feel for what 1-litre F3 was all about.

Just off the top of my head, I wonder if there would even be a market for a video/DVD about the formula. Surely there is plenty of footage still out there, and there are former drivers who could be interviewed. Although it would indeed by great to read a good book about the formula, and in particular the kind of scenarios envisaged by Cirrus, 1-litre F3 was something to be experienced. The noise of the cars and the nature of the racing that ensued would best be seen and heard on film.

Put me down for a copy, of both the book & the DVD

#105 Cirrus

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Posted 07 October 2004 - 18:07

I wonder how much 1 Litre F3 footage remains? I bet the BBC have wiped most of theirs (hopefully not the 100 Great Sporting Moments programme). I've got a video entitled "Motor Racing 70's Style" with footage of the 1969 Guards Trophy at Brands.

If there isn't enough for a complete DVD, maybe it could be included, with a few interviews, in a future MFQ.

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Posted 20 October 2004 - 11:12

There seem to have been some seriously obscure makes around - the Barnett, which is mentioned in The A-Z of Formula Racing Cars has been racing in HSCC meetings for a few years, but last weekend at Silverstone there was a Vesey F3, which isn't in the book.

Can anyone fill in any info about it?

Ta.

Paul M

#107 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 20 October 2004 - 11:32

Well the forthcoming Cowdray F3 book will definitely be worth buying.

My old friend David Marshall who has kindly allowed Cirrus to post his photos here, has sent me a CD-ROM with almost 700 of his 1967-71 F3 photos on. He has compiled it and searched through all of his old photographs because many will be appearing in the book.

I have e-mailed Dave to ask if he will be OK for us to post some more. Perhaps some of the 1971 pictures too of the 1600cc Formula in a new thread?

#108 ian senior

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Posted 20 October 2004 - 12:15

Originally posted by Andrew Kitson
Well the forthcoming Cowdray F3 book will definitely be worth buying.

My old friend David Marshall who has kindly allowed Cirrus to post his photos here, has sent me a CD-ROM with almost 700 of his 1967-71 F3 photos on. He has compiled it and searched through all of his old photographs because many will be appearing in the book.

I have e-mailed Dave to ask if he will be OK for us to post some more. Perhaps some of the 1971 pictures too of the 1600cc Formula in a new thread?

That's good news, Andrew. I'd love to see those F3 pictures from '71. Any chance of a picture of Alan Rollinson (...was a racing driver, etc) in his one-off outing in the works Ensign at Croft in July of that year? For some reason, the car was in hybrid works/Steve Thompson colours - a dark green chassis with blue and white upper body work made it look like a complete eyesore.

#109 Cirrus

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Posted 20 October 2004 - 16:21

last weekend at Silverstone there was a Vesey F3, which isn't in the book

It's funny - I had a chat with Keith Messer, who drove the Vesey, and I forgot to ask him about it. I've got access to the Sheldon F3 books from '67 to '72, but there is no mention of it in there. Maybe it was built to F3 regs in the late Sixties, but ran in Monoposto or Libre?

I'll try to find out..........

Incidentally, I enquired at Motor Books yesterday about the Cowdrey book, but they don't have any info as yet. I've reserved a space on my Christmas list, though.

#110 Alan Cox

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Posted 20 October 2004 - 17:17

Re-reading this thread prompted me to look out my old video of the "100 Greatest Sporting Moments" featuring the Crystal Palace F3 race where Hunt exhibited his boxing prowess - sadly the Beeb actually missed the incident but picked it up as the drivers extricated themselves from the wreckage. Great coverage of the race itself and another reminder of what was lost when the Palace track was closed.

Wasn't the Titan the most gorgeous and elegant of all the 1-litre cars?

#111 Cirrus

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Posted 20 October 2004 - 17:42

I remember the Beeb missing the shunt itself - but did they catch the fisticuffs?

#112 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 20 October 2004 - 17:54

I have heard from Dave and he is more than happy for me to post some of his wonderful photographs here. Thanks David! All photographs copyright of and taken by David Marshall.
This is one of my favourites - The late Tony Lanfranchi at Brands in 68.

#113 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 20 October 2004 - 17:59

Another Tony Lanfranchi one from David. He has asked me to add these words to this one!
"It's of him at the Race of Champions at Brands in '68. I pressed the shutter a bit too early as his right hand is in the process of coming up to give me the vee! To me it's typical of a great character, and another one gone".

#114 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 20 October 2004 - 18:14

Ben Moore winning in the Titan at Rufforth in 1968. All the following photos again by David Marshall.

James Hunt approaching Barn corner, Cadwell 1970.

Rollinson leads away at a soggy Silverstone, 17th May 1969.

Rollinson again in the same race.

Mo Nunn at Brands in 68.

#115 Andrew Kitson

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Posted 20 October 2004 - 18:53

OK, some more of David Marshall's photos here if it is OK with everybody?
Click on the photos to enlarge.

Derek Bell at Silverstone in 1967. I believe this car was green with yellow stripe?

Peter Westbury at Brands in 68. Lovely colour shot.

Yes Alan, I agree the Titan was such a lovely looking car! Ben Moore at Cadwell in 68.

Cadwell in 1969. Schenken - Wisell - Hunt - Lucas.

Peter Hanson at Rufforth in 1969.

Peter Gaydon leads into the Mallory Hairpin. 29th June 1969.

A shot of the hairpin, same meeting.

#116 RTH

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Posted 20 October 2004 - 19:00

Alan :

You prompted me to pull out the recording as well - The Daily Express Trophy Final October 1970 over 20 laps at Crystal Palace.

A 15 min programme aired by BBC 1 on a Sunday morning in 1985 in colour , with Murray Walker.

While Dave Walker's GLTL Lotus 69 F3 gradually pulled away at the front to win - 6 cars panic scrambled all over the back of each other for second place, - Beautler, Hunt & Morgan swapped places nearly every lap. Earlier in the race Morgan's white March 703 had already put Hunt's red 69 on to the grass. But, as they tangled on the start/finish line of the last lap , Hunt strode over to Morgan and we saw James punch David to the ground quite clearly.

It's still great racing - 4 wheel drifts, - the excitement is because the cars are low powered and have little grip because they have no wings. A parallel with 125cc motorcycling now .

We could easily have this again today with a formula where the chassis is free 1000cc road car based engines, no wings and min 100 mm ground clearance at all times a 10,000 rev limit would keep engine costs under control. Watching that footage is like a breath of fresh air .

#117 Alan Cox

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Posted 21 October 2004 - 07:20

Great memories RTH! The Beeb also had a saloon car race from Crystal Palace in the "100 Greatest Sporting Moments" series faturing one G.D.R. Marshall - fantastic flag-to-flag racing.

The David Marshall pic of the Mallory hairpin shows that it is still like that today, and if you have a press pass you can still stand on the inside of the hairpin like these chaps were doing. Three cheers for Mallory!

#118 Nanni Dietrich

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Posted 21 October 2004 - 08:13

Originally posted by RTH

[U]It's still great racing - 4 wheel drifts, - the excitement is because the cars are low powered and have little grip because they have no wings. A parallel with 125cc motorcycling now .

We could easily have this again today with a formula where the chassis is free 1000cc road car based engines, no wings and min 100 mm ground clearance at all times a 10,000 rev limit would keep engine costs under control. Watching that footage is like a breath of fresh air [U]

100% !!!

Do someone of you remember the italian 1 liter-F. 3 cars of those years?
The best was the Tecno obviously, but also the De Sanctis from Rome, very well known all around the world (Geki Russo and Jonathan Williams perhaps the best drivers I saw), or the elegant Ippocampo built by Guglielmo Bellasi (the same that built Silvio Moser's famous F.1 in 1970), driven by Andrea de Adamich in 1966-67, the aerodynamic Branca I said just a few posts before, the Foglietti, the Birel, the De Tomaso, the Wainer or the BWA.
And perhaps other cars you have never heard the name: Quasar, Antonucci, Biraghi, Raymond, Bianchini, Speedcar.

One of the most strange car I have ever seen was the LeGrange, occasionally racing in Italy in 1967 driven by american Bruce Eglinton, who was the designer if I remember well.

#119 SEdward

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Posted 21 October 2004 - 15:19

Nanni,

Any photos/memories of the 1-litre formula from Italy are most welcome. For the time being, everything is from the UK. Input from Italy, France and elsewhere will make the thread even better!

Edward.

#120 Nanni Dietrich

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Posted 21 October 2004 - 16:33

Originally posted by SEdward
Nanni,

Any photos/memories of the 1-litre formula from Italy are most welcome. For the time being, everything is from the UK. Input from Italy, France and elsewhere will make the thread even better!

Edward.

Good, Edward?
From the beginning? Ok!

Once upon a time there were in Italy the Formula Junior races...
:lol:

I'll be happy to relate you my memories about italian F. 3 cars and drivers...

For example, I've found last week-end that after about 35 years a great italian driver named Gianluigi Picchi came back at the wheel of a racing car: a BMW 520 in a minor italian touring-cars championship.

Picchi won the Italian F. 3 Championship in 1969 in a Tecno, someone perhaps recalls, and then he became official driver in Autodelta-Alfa Romeo for the European Touring Championship. He won a couple of races (I remember the 6 Hours of Nurburgring 1970 with Andrea De Adamich, and the 4 Hours of Jarama in 1970), but at the end of the season he decided to retire from sport to take care of his family problems. Now, after about 35 years he's come back! Good!
His best opponent in that 1969 Italian F. 3 Championship was Claudio Francisci in a Brabham BT21 two (or three) years old at the time: well, Francisci didn't end his career for ALL this 35 years, in 2004 he is running again in the Italian Prototype Championship with a very good old and fast Tiga, and won also the first race of the season...
In the same race that Picchi won, last week-end, there was also an other ex very important italian driver: Maurizio Flammini.
All old men over-50...

The elephants cemetery... :lol:

#121 bschenker

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Posted 22 October 2004 - 20:27

I have sea new formula 3 coming from England and going to Italy with changed frame numbers, sometimes also changed name. Some wear have more information about this.

Here also some picture from old magazines.

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http://www.silviomos...660201elgrafico
http://www.silviomoser.ch/670207asi

#122 bschenker

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Posted 22 October 2004 - 20:27

#123 Barry Boor

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Posted 22 October 2004 - 20:33

Could you please tell us where the third picture was taken?

#124 bschenker

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Posted 22 October 2004 - 20:37

Mar del Plata 07 02 1967 Circuito del Golf

#125 Macca

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Posted 03 November 2004 - 14:54

That's the Vesey F3 at Silverstone in 2002. Has anyone found anything more about it please?

Paul M

(edited 5 Nov, thumbnail instead)

#126 Pablo Vignone

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Posted 05 November 2004 - 10:47

I have sea new formula 3 coming from England and going to Italy with changed frame numbers, sometimes also changed name. Some wear have more information about this.

The first photograph is Silvio Moser in Rosario city race, 1964 Formula Junior Temporada.
The second is the cover of El Grafico magazine, the most important sports magazine in Argentina, with, again, Silvio Moser in Rosario's Parque Independencia circuit, 1966 Formula 3 Temporada.
The last one is, exactly, Mar del Plata: that was the last race held in that circuit, and I guess the leader is Johnny Servoz-Gavin (Matra nº 32)

#127 bschenker

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Posted 05 November 2004 - 21:10

OK

Photo 1
Silvio Moser Brabham BT6-17 F Junior
Circuito Costanera Rosario
El Grafico No.2316 from 26.02.1964

Photo 2
Jonathan Williams, John Cardwell and Silvio Moser
Circuito Parque Independencia Rosario
El Grafico No.2417 from 01.02.1966

Photo 3
Jean P. Jaussaud, Carlo Marincovich (I cant sea the number on the other cars)
Circuito del Golf Mar del Plata
ASI No.577 from 07.02.1967

#128 Barry Boor

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Posted 05 November 2004 - 23:04

I am interested to know which of these 3 Mar del Plata circuits is the one in picture 3, and where on the circuit this picture was taken.

http://www.silhouet....s/mardelpl.html

(This link is to the Mar del Plata circuits on Darren's track website.)

#129 Pablo Vignone

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Posted 05 November 2004 - 23:33

Neither of that three, Barry.
The circuit was the Golf Club, near the sea. It was used in 1966 and 1967 and you can still can drive on it: I did last winter.
You go instead to Dan king's website (www.racingcircuits.net) and look for it. The corner of the picture is the most western of the lay-out.

#130 Pablo Vignone

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Posted 06 November 2004 - 01:29

Sorry, I thought the Golf Club circuit was at the page, but I'm afraid I was wrong...
I try to post the lay-out: the corner is -mistaken again- the most eastern...

#131 Pablo Vignone

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Posted 06 November 2004 - 01:51

Voila?

#132 Barry Boor

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Posted 06 November 2004 - 08:16

Thank you for that, Pablo.

Next question, do you know how many times was the Golf circuit used for international racing?

#133 Pablo Vignone

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Posted 06 November 2004 - 14:25

yes, two times, in 1966 (Eric Offenstadt won) and 1967 (Jean-Pierre Beltoise won).
In the last race, Carlos Martin died when his car take a sudden impact against a wall. That was the swansong of the circuit.
You can see better the track at:

www.formula2.net/Mardelplata66_67.jpg

#134 Barry Boor

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Posted 06 November 2004 - 15:24

Thank you, Pablo - and for the circuit map link. :up:

#135 bschenker

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Posted 07 November 2004 - 00:13

Here the circuits used on side of the Mar del Plata Golf Circuit for the Argentine Temporadas for Formula Junior races on 1964 and the Formula 3 races on 1966 and 1967.

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#136 Rob29

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Posted 07 November 2004 - 09:06

Thanks,I have been looking for some of those for 40 years!

#137 bschenker

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Posted 07 November 2004 - 11:36

Starter list for the 1966 Argentine Temporada
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This official practise timetable from the first race on the 1967 Argentine Temporada whit the Start numbers give the possibility to used as starter list.
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I’m waiting for new material from Argentine. I hope in this material to find also a starter list for the 1964 Argentine Temporada.

#138 bschenker

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Posted 07 November 2004 - 11:37

Starter list for the 1966 Argentine Temporada
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This official practise timetable from the first race on the 1967 Argentine Temporada whit the Start numbers give the possibility to used as starter list.
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I’m waiting for new material from Argentine. I hope in this material to find also a starter list for the 1964 Argentine Temporada.

#139 Pablo Vignone

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Posted 07 November 2004 - 14:14

From the reports of El Grafico magazine, I made this:

1964 Formula Junior Temporada

2 Juan Manuel Bordeu Lotus 22
4 Giancarlo Moiso Lotus
6 Odoardo Govoni Lotus
10 Francesco Ghezzi Lotus
12 Gastone Zanarotti Lola
14 Francesco Franzan Lotus
16 Luigi Malanca Lotus 20
18 Massimo Natili Cooper 61
20 Carmelo Genovese Stanguellini
22 Néstor Salerno Stanguellini
26 Karl Foitek Lotus 27
28 Silvio Moser Brabham
30 Walter Habegger Cooper
36 Alberto Rodríguez Larreta Lotus
42 Giacomo Russo Lotus 22
44 Bruno Deserti Lotus 27
46 Carlo Facetti Lotus
48? Nasif Estéfano Lotus
50 Alberico Passadore Lotus
XX Franz Dorfliger Lotus
XX Heriberto Bohnen Lotus 20
XX Jorge Cupeiro Wainer
XX Guglielmo Bellasi Lotus
XX Corrado Manfredini Wainer

All they started at least one race.

#140 Gerald Swan

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Posted 07 November 2004 - 15:46

In an earlier reply llmaurice was kind enough to mention my old site, f3classic.co.uk, which I began a couple of years ago to reflect the years covered by the Classic F3 racing in the UK. Having thusly rediscovered my love of this class of racing that grew from watching the 1-litre screamers at Brands, Silverstone and Crystal Palace in the sixties I decided there was nothing for it but to go the whole hog and create a site dedicated to the history of F3. So it was that www.f3history.co.uk was born.

My intention is to cover the first 50 years of F3 racing (1950-2000) in eye-watering detail

by giving details of every race, driver, constructor etc. that ever raced. Realising that this is probably going to take me the rest of my life I've decided to publish what I've done so far and you can see the results at the above address.

Now comes the grovelling bit, I'm looking for any help I can find to help develop the site. I am especially looking for anyone who can give further details to the Manufacturers section, I've currently located over 200 constructors several of which I can find almost no details on but as more people find the site I'm getting more and more information. I also need as many pictures as possible and needless to say I would love to be able to use some of the ones that have appeared on these pages, so if you have anything you can let me have I would be forever grateful.

Another section I hope to introduce is one covering the biographies of drivers who raced in F3, so if there is anyone who has a favourite (however obscure) and they would like to do a write-up of them near-instant publication is guaranteed! My own sources of reference aren't as comprehensive as I would like for the 500cc years so any help here would be great. Of course full credit will be given to anybody who can help out.

If, when you look at the site, you find any mistakes please let me know as I am pedantic enough to think there is no point in doing something like this unless it's accurate.

So please have a look at the site, let me have any comments or suggestions that you have (my contact details are on the Contact page) and if you can help in any way however big or small I would be delighted to hear from you.

#141 bschenker

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Posted 08 November 2004 - 23:39

1964 Formula Junior Temporada

Guglielmo Bellasi was always with the number 24 and Lotus 22
Franz Dörfliger was always with the number 32 and Lotus 27

Its lucks like in 1964 it’s been used the start number always for the same car and not for the same driver. I found:

No. 34 Lotus 22
Buenos Aires = Jack Forrest Greene
Rosario = Heriberto Bohnen
Cordoba = Heriberto Bohnen
Buenos Aires = ???

No.36 Lotus 22 (ex Silvio Moser)
Buenos Aires = Alberto Rodriguez Larreta
Rosario = Jorge Cupeiro
Cordoba = Aldo Pessina (only starter list)
Buenos Aires = Aldo Pessina (practice); Heriberto Bohnen (race)
(I spoken with Aldo Pessina, hi tell my hi has qualified the car for Bohnen)

No.40 Wainer 63
Buenos Aires = Corrado Manfredini
Rosario = Corrado Manfredini
Cordoba = Jorge Cupeiro
Buenos Aires = Jorge Cupeiro

#142 bschenker

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Posted 08 November 2004 - 23:51

A good address for old magazines or books from Argentine

http://www.auto-mobilia.com.ar/

#143 Nanni Dietrich

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Posted 09 November 2004 - 17:27

In this site

http://www.libreria-...a/autografi.htm

you can find some good pictures of 1 litre F.3:
for example you can look at the driver Corradi Giorgio "Dubis" and the car is a Foglietti.

Or, if you look at Deserti Bruno you can find a picture taken at Rosario (Argentina), definitely the Lotus 27 #44 Pablo Vignone said!

At Natili Massimo there is an other F. 3 (or F. Junior?) but I don't know what brand of car...
And then, please look at Genovese Carmelo: this is a F. Junior, I'm sure.
:confused:

Great pictures!

#144 gdecarli

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Posted 10 November 2004 - 11:33

Originally posted by bschenker
Here the circuits used on side of the Mar del Plata Golf Circuit for the Argentine Temporadas for Formula Junior races on 1964 and the Formula 3 races on 1966 and 1967.

Great, thanks to you and to Paolo Vignone! :clap:

Ciao,
Guido

#145 bschenker

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Posted 10 November 2004 - 22:33

Maps for the location of the circuits
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For Rosario I found a good map on the follow site
http://visualizador.rosario.gov.ar/
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#146 Pablo Vignone

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Posted 11 November 2004 - 13:14

In this place...

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... we have (since 1978) this...

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That's what they build a new circuit in 1975, the one that European Formula 2 used in 1978.

#147 bschenker

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Posted 11 November 2004 - 21:19

Now I understand way aim not able to find the exact place of the Mendoza Circuit on a newer map. For the others were possibly to find the exact location.

#148 ian senior

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Posted 16 November 2004 - 10:09

Just started re-reading Paul Lawrence's excellent book "The Lone Furrow" which tells the story of Arthur Mallock and his cars. There was indeed a Mallock presence in 1-litre F3, in 1964. Arthur himself, David Wragg and George Duncan ripped the mudguards off their Mark 4s and took part in an F3 race at Oulton Park. And.......Arthur went to the Monaco F3 race, and would almost certainly have made the final had it not been for a suspension failure. Amazing.

#149 gdecarli

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Posted 17 November 2004 - 23:42

If you look at map of Mar del Plata - Golf Club circuit shown on F.2 Register (I was sent a bigger copy) you can see partial distance, so you can calculate track lenght. It's 3248.17 m - 2.019 mi.
According to Stefan Örnerdal, in 1966 track was 3152 m long (96 m shorter than my sum), but in 1967 it was 6500 m long, so layout should have been quite different. Do you have any info about this longer layout? And what about 1964 (if it was used)?

I have just updated my site (click to open my page) :

Ciao,
Guido

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Posted 18 November 2004 - 21:19

[B]Mar del Plata 1964[/B]

For the international Temporada not used.
(used Buenos Aires, Rosario, Cordoba, Buenos Aires)

Mar del Plata 1966

El Gráfico No.2419 from 15.02.1966 is writhed “Final 40 vueltas al circuito de 3248metros”.

Best lap in the Final Offenstadt with 1.27.2 Overall time 59’23.2”
not clear is the 131.232km/h stay this for the lap time or the overall time

1houre = 60minuts = 3600seconds 1’27.2” = 87.2seconds
3600 : 87.2 = 41.28440367

131.232km : 41.28440367 = 3.17873km for one lap

Overall time = 59’23.2” = 3563,2seconds : 40(laps) = 89.08seconds
1houre = 60minuts = 3600seconds media lap time = 89.08seconds
3600 : 89.08 = 40.41311181

131.232km : 40.41311181 = 3.24726km for one lap

I think here why has the difference about the length of the Golf circuit.

Mar del Plata 1967

Best lap time in the first head Servo Gavin with 1’25”9/10 = 136.128km/h

1houre = 60minuts = 3600seconds 1’25”9/10 = 85.9seconds
3600 : 85.9 = 41.90919674

136.128km : 41.90919674 = 3.24816km for one lap

Clearly the 6.5km for 1967 is wrong information

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