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[Captain Tightpants]

In the past twenty-four hours, the Interntional Olympic Commitee has annouced that the 2016 Olympic Games will be held in Rio de Janeiro. While this is the first time the world's largest sporting event has ever been held on the South American continent, it unfortunately means that the Autódromo Internacional Nelson Piquet and the Emmerson Fittipaldi Speedway - better known as the Jacarepaguá circuit - will be destoryed to make way for the Olympic Training Centre.

Jacarepaguá hosted the Brazilian Grand Prix ten times between 1978 and 1989, while the oval circuit was home to CART from 1996 to 2000. The circuit was also the scene of the Brazilian Motorcycle Grand Prix bewteen 1995 and 2004. The site was partially consumed for the 2007 Pan-American Games, and the rest of the site fell into dsrepair. By 2016, Jacarepaguá will be erased from the Earth; while perhaps not the greatest circuit ever built, it was always a home of the turbo-powered cars and deserves a better end.

Farewell, Jacarepaguá. We barely knew ye.

[jeze]

In the past twenty-four hours, the Interntional Olympic Commitee has annouced that the 2016 Olympic Games will be held in Rio de Janeiro. While this is the first time the world's largest sporting event has ever been held on the South American continent, it unfortunately means that the Autódromo Internacional Nelson Piquet and the Emmerson Fittipaldi Speedway - better known as the Jacarepaguá circuit - will be destoryed to make way for the Olympic Training Centre.

Jacarepaguá hosted the Brazilian Grand Prix ten times between 1978 and 1989, while the oval circuit was home to CART from 1996 to 2000. The circuit was also the scene of the Brazilian Motorcycle Grand Prix bewteen 1995 and 2004. The site was partially consumed for the 2007 Pan-American Games, and the rest of the site fell into dsrepair. By 2016, Jacarepaguá will be erased from the Earth; while perhaps not the greatest circuit ever built, it was always a home of the turbo-powered cars and deserves a better end.

Farewell, Jacarepaguá. We barely knew ye.

**** Rio, **** IOC. I have always been in opposition to this terrible prosposal, and I got mad when I heard that that ****ing city, that is the most dangerous in the world, got it!

[911]

That is really too bad. I liked that circuit and remember the good battles there in the late 80s. My favorite memory is Mansell's pass on Prost on the outside in 1989. That was his first race for Ferrari and what a debut. I believe that was also the first time that a semi-automatic gearbox was used in a race.

Edited by 911, 03 October 2009 - 19:15.

[Nikos Spagnol]

Too bad Jacarepaguá has to go.

Sadly, it seems even if Rio's bid for Olympics had lost, the autodrome would fell gradually in more and more disrepair and be abandoned altogether, as Rio's authorities couldn't care less about it. So, giving place to something else will be a much more fitting and fair ending for it, than rotting to dead.

[klyster]

It's sad, but progress requires sacrifice.

I'm sure Rio will be happy for the tradeoff.

OH, congratulations Rio, well done, time to clean up now.

[molive]

Brazilian GP 1982: Gilles Villeneuve (Ferrari), Alain Prost (Renault), Johnny Watson (McLaren), Nigel Mansell (Lotus), Michele Alboreto (Tyrrell), Manfred Winkelhock (ATS), Didier Pironi (Ferrari), Nelson Piquet (Brabham), Keke Rosberg (Williams)....so many great stars

(watch Gilles lose the car, under pressure from Piquet, at 4:30, Patrese retiring because of the heat at 4:55, and then Piquet almost passing out at the podium at the end of the video).

Piquet wins in 1983

Piquet 1st Senna 2nd, in 1986.



So many great memories. So long Jacarepagua

Edited by molive, 04 October 2009 - 03:01.

[teejay]

The CART races there were always good fun to watch.

Farewall.

[raiseyourfistfor]

Looks like a good track, with wide radius corners, there aren't any of that kind in the current calendar

[molive]

Looks like a good track, with wide radius corners, there aren't any of that kind in the current calendar

And what about the looooooog straight, great for passing. The turbo x aspirated years were great to watch.

[highdownforce]

Yesterday, the Autódromo Internacional Nelson Piquet (Jacarepaguá) received its death blow.

Mayor Eduardo Paes during a meeting with members of the International Olympic Committee (IOC), announced the creation of an international contest to choose the design of the future Olympic Park. The park, which will concentrate the majority of sports competitions in 2016, will occupy the area of one million square feet of racetrack Jacarepaguá. The contest will be done in partnership with the Institute of Architects of Brazil (IAB).

The construction of the park will be funded with money from the sale of part of the circuit ground, which could be exploited by private initiative to build malls, condominiums or other ventures. Another part will be for the city as a legacy of the Olympics, with a training area for athletes.

- What we're announcing is that a piece of that area will likely be sold to private enterprise, in order to finance a portion of the account of the 2016 Olympic Games - said Paes.

- Our goal is to have all works in progress in the first half of the year

http://oglobo.globo....o-923383688.asp

Farewell.

[Risil]

Brazilian GP 1982: Gilles Villeneuve (Ferrari), Alain Prost (Renault), Johnny Watson (McLaren), Nigel Mansell (Lotus), Michele Alboreto (Tyrrell), Manfred Winkelhock (ATS), Didier Pironi (Ferrari), Nelson Piquet (Brabham), Keke Rosberg (Williams)....so many great stars

(watch Gilles lose the car, under pressure from Piquet, at 4:30, Patrese retiring because of the heat at 4:55, and then Piquet almost passing out at the podium at the end of the video).

Piquet wins in 1983

Piquet 1st Senna 2nd, in 1986.

Greg Moore passes Zanardi on the outside to win the 1998 Rio 400.

Last lap of the 1999 500cc Brazilian Grand Prix -- Abe, Biaggi and Roberts, Jr all lead at one stage

...And Alex Barros having a typical Brazilian-sportsman-on-home-soil moment in 2004

Edited by Risil, 29 December 2010 - 14:53.

[Willow Rosenberg]

Another circuit that everyone seems to like now, but which nobody liked at the time.

[Owen]

Is it true that there's crocodiles in the middle of it? or was that someone's idea of a joke.

[highdownforce]

No crocodiles, just alligators. And not in the middle of it, but only into the surrounding lake.
But that is a really rare sight.

Edited by highdownforce, 29 December 2010 - 15:51.

[Owen]

No crocodiles, just alligators. And not in the middle of it, but only into the surrounding lake.
But that is a really rare sight.

cheers. Wow. That might focus your attention on keeping the car on the track.

[Ali_G]

Another circuit that everyone seems to like now, but which nobody liked at the time.

The layout from a 2D perspective wasn't too bad. The car's aerodynamics back then almost suited medium speed corners leading onto straights.

What it was badly missing though was elevation changes.


No worse than a lot of modern cricuits, except for the fact that this place has history.

[noikeee]

Jacarepagua looks cool now in retrospective because it had that crazy quick corner at the end of the long backstraight, which was used for passing, and because all those mid-speed corners had a bit of flow. Compared to the circuits of that time, however, it must've looked like a boring, flat, oversized kart track.

[noikeee]

No worse than a lot of modern cricuits, except for the fact that this place has history.

Yeah but history is made, I mean in 20 years time we'll say Bahrain has history, Abu Dhabi has history. Of course the fact that Jacarepagua was a long ass time ago allows us to look at it with nostalgia...

[Ali_G]

Yeah but history is made, I mean in 20 years time we'll say Bahrain has history, Abu Dhabi has history. Of course the fact that Jacarepagua was a long ass time ago allows us to look at it with nostalgia...

Has there ever been a good race at Bahrain.

And as you say, there is no flow at all to the Bahrain circuit. Slow corners everywhere.

[domhnall]

Has there ever been a good race at Bahrain.

And as you say, there is no flow at all to the Bahrain circuit. Slow corners everywhere.

The 2006 race there was very good. Most races at Bahrain are pretty much typical average dry races

[scheivlak]

Has there ever been a good race at Bahrain.

The 2005 race ("the Pedro show") was quite entertaining.

It got a 7.00 rating from the forum http://forums.autosp...showtopic=78198 which is pretty high!

[aditya-now]

Yesterday, the Autódromo Internacional Nelson Piquet (Jacarepaguá) received its death blow.



http://oglobo.globo....o-923383688.asp

Farewell.

In the 1990s, I was still karting there on the go kart track that is associated with the Jacarepaguá circuit. Great memories, although terribly hot and humid!

[wj_gibson]

Jacarepagua was gash. End of story.

[Les]

Jacarepagua was gash. End of story.

Well indeed it wasn't the most inspiring of circuits but it had a few cracking races especially the 82 one linked above.

Actually the link above isn't working so here it is again:

Edited by Les, 30 December 2010 - 12:17.

[Atreiu]

That's where Lorenzo became Por Fuera.

[highdownforce]

Jacarepagua was gash. End of story.

It was also much more than just F1.

Indycar and specially MotoGP were nice.
Plus, MotoGP was a huge event in town.
I still remember the sound of the motorcycles caravans from other cities crossing the highways at more than 200 kmh (where the limit for bikes was 80 kmh).

The infrastructure of the track was ****, I agree with this.
I didn't have the best access and traffic free roads but hey it was inside the city.

The circuit was always overlook with the excuse that it was badly located (read too far from the the core of city and hard to reach if you are not in town).
And now, the very same location will host the Olympic Games. It doesn't make sense.
A new road, a BRT system and other solutions will be implemented for this area. Things that should have be done in the earlier 20 years. Then the track could still in use by now.
When the track was chopped for 2007, the original plans were to reprofile the destructed area and build all the Olympic equipments inside the track, there was a Tilke even project for that.
But probably COI didn't like the idea, or the Governor and the Major of the city didn't wanted to invest the necessary amount of money. So they decided to let the track die first and then built the Olympic Park on its soil.

Gash or not it is the only track in the city. To be fair, is the only race track in the whole State.
It has history, may major international events were held on it and now its going to disappear completely and in way that a rebuild will never be possible.

[Atreiu]

Cariocas don't seem to actually like racing too much.
Unfortunately.

[kosmic33]

Last lap of the 1999 500cc Brazilian Grand Prix -- Abe, Biaggi and Roberts, Jr all lead at one stage

as good a last lap as theres ever been!

[highdownforce]

Cariocas don't seem to actually like racing too much.
Unfortunately.

- Access
- ****ing infrastructure
- Terrible bad promotion
- Awful state of conservation

Formula Truck use(d) to bring huge crowds for their race.
Stock car was also big some years ago.

The track has being so abandoned that it was nearly impossible to held an event there.

Current layout:



View from the butchered section (HSBC Arena on its place) Stock Car 2010 -
TNT Super Bike (2010) edit - http://www.youtube.c...feature=related
Itaipava GT Brasil 2010 (GT3/GT4) -
Stock Car onboard (2010) - http://www.youtube.c...feature=related
Stock Car Race (1/4) (2010) - http://www.youtube.c...feature=related
Hornet 600 (2010) -
Formula Truck "Truck Show" 2010 - http://www.youtube.c...feature=related (Note the temporary structures on the back straight in order to make it be th start/finish line)
Racing Festival Formula Future Fiat -

Edited by highdownforce, 30 December 2010 - 15:13.

[rodlamas]

It's a few miles away from my office where I am sit right now. It's just amazing that they will held the Olympics apartments there. There's simple no infrastructure whatsoever for 1% of what they are intending to do.

And you have to consider all the new apartment buildings that are being built there with not a single road being opened. It will be a big **** up.

And they are also destroying Jacarepagua.

"Thank you" Mr. Eduardo Idiot Paes.

[highdownforce]

The master plan for the 2016 Olympic Park at Jacarepaguá was released this Friday. Now we know what will take Autódromo Nelson Piquet's place on the site.

[DrProzac]

Sad.

[highdownforce]

Jacarepaguá life span has gained at least more eight months with races being scheduled up to June 2012!

[August]

When the track was chopped for 2007, the original plans were to reprofile the destructed area and build all the Olympic equipments inside the track, there was a Tilke even project for that.

You possibly mean this:

Jacarepaguá life span has gained at least more eight months with races being scheduled up to June 2012!

Does that mean Olympic Park construction is delayed.

Anyway, based on Google translation, this article seems to imply the Olympic park wouldn't quite necessarily be build at Jacarepagua. but I assume that's very, very, strong speculation. Also, that article seems to be somewhat pessimistic about Rio hosting Olympics at all, is there really reasons to be pessimistic? Or is writer's glass still half full that Jacarepagua track will stay.

Anyway, if they'll build a new track, I wonder if it would've been smarter to have circuit at the Olympic park. Valencia street circuit was build around America's Cup port, because they already had media centers there, and Russian circuit will be at Sochi Olympic Park. That could be done at Jacarepagua, too. I think the best solution would've been to have Olympic Park at Jacarepagua, and after Games remove temporary sports venues (in the articles pics you can see some sports venues will be removed) and make a (permanent) racing circuit at the Olympic Park.

[highdownforce]

You possibly mean this:

Yes, something like that.
But the plans or much more detailed off course, the project was available at his website until sometime in 2009-2010.

Anyway, if they'll build a new track, I wonder if it would've been smarter to have circuit at the Olympic park. Valencia street circuit was build around America's Cup port, because they already had media centers there, and Russian circuit will be at Sochi Olympic Park. That could be done at Jacarepagua, too. I think the best solution would've been to have Olympic Park at Jacarepagua, and after Games remove temporary sports venues (in the articles pics you can see some sports venues will be removed) and make a (permanent) racing circuit at the Olympic Park.

That was exactly the old original proposal (pre 2007), something among the lines of what will be done at Russia.
But, this is an area of high real state speculation, and I'm sure that is the main reason for the track being transferred for that place to another.

Edit: Anyway, I don't know if everybody would be please to race at this place:

Does that mean Olympic Park construction is delayed.

Yes it is. (And not as their schedule was supposed to start before than the needed)
But this is starting to become a real problem.
The situation is as follows, the Rio de Janeiro Autosport Federation made a deal with the Municipality about the construction work of the Olympic park at Jacarepaguá only starting after the conclusion of the new track at Deodoro. But the construction of the new track is less than certain, specially on these time frame.
So, is already a consensus that the agreement will be overlooked, the construction work at Jacarepaguá will start and maybe something is done at Deodoro, but without Grade A infrastructure.
But even that is speculation, skeptics will claim that the city won't have a track for the following years.

Anyway, based on Google translation, this article seems to imply the Olympic park wouldn't quite necessarily be build at Jacarepagua. but I assume that's very, very, strong speculation.

That's more than speculation, that's delusional.
The Olympic Park will be built there, for sure.

Also, that article seems to be somewhat pessimistic about Rio hosting Olympics at all, is there really reasons to be pessimistic? Or is writer's glass still half full that Jacarepagua track will stay.

I don't know... this guys moves from the "oh wait we have a chance!" campus to the "motorsport in Rio is dead" very often.

Edited by highdownforce, 21 November 2011 - 15:23.

[August]

Yes, something like that.
But the plans or much more detailed off course, the project was available at his website until sometime in 2009-2010.

Found that from Tilke Engeneering Kazakhstan's page:

http://www.tilke.kz/...ang=en&proj=p37



Another article:

http://www.etrackson...news_id189.html



Designed pit building:

Edited by August, 21 November 2011 - 15:50.

[highdownforce]

Great, thanks!
I guess that's the one.
I remember more Olympic equipments, but I don't have the best memory at all.

[August]

Great, thanks!
I guess that's the one.
I remember more Olympic equipments, but I don't have the best memory at all.

The buildings in those pics had Rio 2007 texts, so maybe those weren't the Olympic plans.

Anyway, I gotta say that even though Rio was my clear favourite candidate for '16 Olympics, after this Jacarepaguá issue my attitude towards Rio Olympics isn't anymore that positive. I'm afraid the demolition of Jacarepaguá will be of one of the things I'll remember from Rio Olympics.

[August]

Here's another Jacarepaguá modification proposal from early '00s, made by Apex Circuit Design.

Edited by August, 22 November 2011 - 10:26.