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#7001 Mastah

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 17:58

First indications are that everything is positive so we have no particular concerns over the aero package introduced in Spa. We did find, after the race in Spa, a reasonable amount of damage to some of the aero components of the car. We re-tested those components in Vairano and confirmed that there was some performance loss due to the damaged components. So we have a little bit of work to do to make those parts of the car a little bit more robust so we don’t suffer from that problem in the future.

Monza should be a reasonable circuit for us. We know one of the strengths of the car compared to the competition is its braking performance. And as everyone knows Monza is a very critical track for braking performance. So that’s definitely one of the strong points of our car. In slow-speed chicanes the car’s been reasonably good this year and the couple of medium-speed corners in Monza should suit us reasonably well so we’re expecting a reasonable result at Monza. We’re expecting to be competitive. Having said that there’s always a surprise at Monza because it’s a unique aerodynamic package. We use a level of downforce in Monza that we don’t use anywhere else. All the teams are developing a specific aero package that’s only used at Monza. So there’s always the chance that somebody might come up with a bit of a surprise in Monza because they’ve done a particularly good or bad job of their low-downforce aero package.

Chris Dyer

For engine people Monza is still the most challenging race. I would say Monza and Spa are the two races where the engine performance plays a big role. So, even though the possibility of modifying the engine is limited by the regulations, it’s still very important to have reliability and maximum performance because there we can make the biggest contribution to our team. Unfortunately we started the season with some reliability problems. You know that we can use eight engines through the season so we plan our development and our reliability improvement to be sure we don’t use a ninth engine. We think we have done a good job on this but we can judge how good our job was at the end of the season. So for Ferrari and our customer teams we are trying our best to avoid using a ninth engine. The usage of the engine at this moment of the year is part of the strategy of the team this means that we are not obliged to use an engine until the end. We could use a fresh engine in Spa and maybe we can use a fresh engine in Monza. The most important thing is we extend the life of the engines until the end of the season.

I think the team has done an impressive development programme during the season. We have seen five steps. And of course no-one of us was happy with the result in Spa. The result in Spa was much below our expectations. We think the car was better than the performance showed in Spa. So, apart from the fact that Monza is an important race for us because it’s the Italian Grand Prix, it’s very important also for us to prove that what we introduced on the car was a step forward and we are confident that the performance we show there will be better than what we showed in Spa.

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Damaged components? I guess that means EBD overheated some parts like in Mercedes, but hopefully they solved problem and everything should be OK at Monza :up:.

But what Luca is saying is just mad. Using 8th engine in Italy would mean that both Fernando's and Felipe's units have to last 5 Saturdays and Sundays, which is insanity. Last year Kimi had the same engine at Spa and Monza and scored win and 3rd place, so I hope they won't be fools to make any silly moves :well:.

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#7002 Ferrari2183

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 18:59

Damaged components? I guess that means EBD overheated some parts like in Mercedes, but hopefully they solved problem and everything should be OK at Monza :up:.

But what Luca is saying is just mad. Using 8th engine in Italy would mean that both Fernando's and Felipe's units have to last 5 Saturdays and Sundays, which is insanity. Last year Kimi had the same engine at Spa and Monza and scored win and 3rd place, so I hope they won't be fools to make any silly moves :well:.

Yep. Sounds like heating issues and hopefully the problem has been resolved. About the engines. It doesn't make any difference if they use a new engine or not. The engines still have to last till the end of the season but they seem confident which is good. They also haven't had any reliability issues engine wise since Malaysia.

#7003 Seanspeed

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 20:39

But what Luca is saying is just mad. Using 8th engine in Italy would mean that both Fernando's and Felipe's units have to last 5 Saturdays and Sundays, which is insanity.

What does it matter if they introduce a new engine for Monza or introduce it at Suzuka or wherever else? Putting in a new engine doesn't mean they cant use any of their older engines.

#7004 King Six

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Posted 07 September 2010 - 20:48

What does it matter if they introduce a new engine for Monza or introduce it at Suzuka or wherever else? Putting in a new engine doesn't mean they cant use any of their older engines.

Exactly :up:

http://www.vivaf1.com/reliability.php

Renault were the only team not to use a new engine at Spa. Saying that, I'm sure alot of teams will be bringing new engines to Monza regardless, that doesn't mean they can't go back to the Spa engine or any other engine for that matter for another GP.

As long as they haven't totalled an engine or completely knackered it, it's reusable. With some other regulations regarding practice and engine changes during a GP complicating things a tiny bit.

#7005 Mastah

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 01:41

What does it matter if they introduce a new engine for Monza or introduce it at Suzuka or wherever else? Putting in a new engine doesn't mean they cant use any of their older engines.


It seems you got me :lol:. I never checked what 34.1 is about, but it's about Parc Ferme, so I guess I was wrong, they can use engine at other Events, when it was changed before Q1 :blush:.

If an engine is changed in accordance with Article 34.1 the engine which was replaced may not be used during any future qualifying session or race with the exception of the last Event of the Championship.


Still, 6 GPs, 2 (?) engines, will be tough :well:.

#7006 F.M.

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 07:42

Still, 6 GPs, 2 (?) engines, will be tough :well:.

That they put a new engine in at Spa and have one new engine left, doesn't mean that they have only 2 race engines

#7007 bonjon1979a

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 10:07

That they put a new engine in at Spa and have one new engine left, doesn't mean that they have only 2 race engines


Yes. but I'm sure I read an engineer somewhere saying that while some of the more recent 'used' engines can be reused, the older plants won't be able to run - even if they didn't blow in the race. Something to do with the metal deteriorating and the fine tolerances with which they're built. I'm not sure about this though and it would be great to hear from someone with a bit more engine know how.

#7008 Mika Mika

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 10:09

Yes. but I'm sure I read an engineer somewhere saying that while some of the more recent 'used' engines can be reused, the older plants won't be able to run - even if they didn't blow in the race. Something to do with the metal deteriorating and the fine tolerances with which they're built. I'm not sure about this though and it would be great to hear from someone with a bit more engine know how.


Yes I read that too - but that was about Engine 1 not being useable by the end of the season swapping engines 7-8 about over the next 8 weeks shouldn't be a problem I wouldn't of thought...

#7009 bonjon1979a

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 10:17

Yes I read that too - but that was about Engine 1 not being useable by the end of the season swapping engines 7-8 about over the next 8 weeks shouldn't be a problem I wouldn't of thought...


Nope. I guess swapping those engines around won't be a problem and they were using engine 6 in spa throughout practice so I'm sure that'll still be knocking about. I wonder if they'll have to reduce mileage for practice etc. Although this could all be academic if Alonso doesn't get a decent result in Monza as it already sounds as if Ferrari are ready to focus on 2011. Looking at the points table, I'd say that if hamilton wins and Alonso doesn't come higher than third then it'll all be over. I really can't see them overturning 50 odd points in 5 races. If he wins though - it's game on - but the engine situation may come in to play. (i'm ignoring what's going to happen at the WMSC today as I really don't think Alonso's going to lose points...)

Edited by bonjon1979a, 08 September 2010 - 10:18.


#7010 mlsnoopy

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 10:38

Still, 6 GPs, 2 (?) engines, will be tough :well:.


Ferrari must first close the gap and than worry about the engines.
If using an old engine in Monza means that they will get 3rd and 4th instead of 1st and 2nd than it's not worth it.
In my opinion it's better to risk a grid penalty latter in the season than give up on the WDC.

#7011 Seanspeed

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 14:46

In my opinion it's better to risk a grid penalty latter in the season than give up on the WDC.

Damn right. :up:

And I dont think engines should be an issue so long as they can stop from blowing anymore. They might have to stretch the mileage out a bit more than others, but its quite do-able.


#7012 ATM_Andy

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 15:06

Yes. but I'm sure I read an engineer somewhere saying that while some of the more recent 'used' engines can be reused, the older plants won't be able to run - even if they didn't blow in the race. Something to do with the metal deteriorating and the fine tolerances with which they're built. I'm not sure about this though and it would be great to hear from someone with a bit more engine know how.


Yes, there is a fairly limited 'time-centric' life of an F1 engine.

#7013 ATM_Andy

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 15:06

Still, 6 GPs, 2 (?) engines, will be tough :well:.


I don't think that'll be a problem really.

#7014 Bonaventura

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 15:09

Yes, there is a fairly limited 'time-centric' life of an F1 engine.

so the "Bahrain" engine is useless at Abu Dhabi, because it's too old ?

#7015 ATM_Andy

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 16:09

so the "Bahrain" engine is useless at Abu Dhabi, because it's too old ?


It's been life expended, in FP testing, anyway I think.

#7016 Bonaventura

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 18:30

It's been life expended, in FP testing, anyway I think.

Ok, thank you

#7017 Mastah

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 11:08

Stolen from other thread, new livery for Monza:

http://img839.images...18/fiararri.jpg

I laughed :D.

#7018 F.M.

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 15:37

Yet another small vertical fin at the FW

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EBD:

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#7019 Aerosoul

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 15:56

Stolen from other thread, new livery for Monza:

http://img839.images...18/fiararri.jpg

I laughed :D.


good job trolling and showing how ignorant you are

ferrari weren't punished because all teams do it and just pay lip service

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#7020 Tuxy

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 17:49

Stolen from other thread, new livery for Monza:

http://img839.images...18/fiararri.jpg

I laughed :D.


I have detached retinas from :rolleyes: so hard.

#7021 Mastah

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 18:00

And you gentlemen have no sense of humour whatsoever. Not at all.

#7022 STIGG

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 18:11

good job trolling and showing how ignorant you are

ferrari weren't punished because all teams do it and just pay lip service


I really don't think Mastah's one for trolling, especially not in the Ferrari forum! Lighten up biatch! :kiss:



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Posted 09 September 2010 - 18:12

Stolen from other thread, new livery for Monza:

http://img839.images...18/fiararri.jpg

I laughed :D.


me too.. lol

#7024 F.M.

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 18:21

I really don't think Mastah's one for trolling, especially not in the Ferrari forum! Lighten up biatch! :kiss:

:up:

#7025 Mika Mika

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 18:24

I really don't think Mastah's one for trolling, especially not in the Ferrari forum! Lighten up biatch! :kiss:


LOL Andy is providing tech talk (ands prob reassuing a lot of ferrari fans) on the F10 thread and mastah is now a troll :drunk:

#7026 Massa

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 18:27

Stolen from other thread, new livery for Monza:

http://img839.images...18/fiararri.jpg

I laughed :D.

I laughed too! What a pity that is a joke.. I would like to see horner and withmarsh face if ferrary take this livery for monza

#7027 STIGG

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 18:38

I laughed too! What a pity that is a joke.. I would like to see horner and withmarsh face if ferrary take this livery for monza


I actually think it looks rather well on the car, as opposed to the definitely-not-a-Marlboro barcode or the current blank space!

#7028 F.M.

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 18:39

LOL Andy is providing tech talk (ands prob reassuing a lot of ferrari fans) on the F10 thread and mastah is now a troll :drunk:

Maybe he's planning to change teams..... You heard it here first :cool:

Edited by F.M., 09 September 2010 - 18:40.


#7029 hunnylander

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 19:53

http://photos.gpupda...arge/161778.jpg

Who are these guys? I mean the Men In Black-and-white...

#7030 MortenF1

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 20:04

I'm guessing they're FIA-representatives, scrutineering the car.

#7031 kissTheApex

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 20:26

I laughed too!


I laughed too, it looks good on the F10 :D

I would like to see the whole pitlane rolling on the pit floor laughing, splitting their sides should Ferrari feature this livery for Monza.


Fixed it for ya :wave:

Of course, since FIA has no sense of humour, they'd likely be fined and expelled from the event :rotfl:

Edited by kissTheApex, 09 September 2010 - 20:27.


#7032 Dino Scuderia

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 20:26

FOM workers

#7033 MortenF1

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Posted 09 September 2010 - 20:29

Ah, mounting cameras!

#7034 Mastah

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 08:05

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Cars are fitted with the blown rear wing



#7035 jey16

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 09:17

is there a reason they have reverted to the old style wing for Spa/Monza compared to the one they raced at the British GP etc? is it only because of the new load tests or something else.....

#7036 currupipi

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 09:49

its only fp1 but a little too far back for confort, lets see what fp2 brings

#7037 Mastah

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 09:50

I guess it's a wing for low drag circuits.


http://www.formula1....speed_trap.html

16 Jenson Button 329.8
18 Lewis Hamilton 328.5
19 Felipe Massa 328.2
20 Robert Kubica 328.0
21 Fernando Alonso 327.8
22 Vitaly Petrov 327.4

More or less identical speed at the trap from Renault, McLaren and Ferrari, interesting.

BTW. Adding all sector times means that both Fernando and Felipe have the same time - 1:24.387 :drunk:.

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#7038 Mastah

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 12:08

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Some changes in the car no. 8, which has a different rear wing compared to this morning



#7039 F.M.

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 12:30

I believe this is a different rearwing than from Spa. Look at the second element, it's not straight at the top. The outer edges are way lower. (or Ferrari has designed some massive flexing in the rearwing as well :blush: :lol:)

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#7040 Mastah

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 12:35

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After another wing change, Fernando is back on track now

It is important this afternoon to evaluate carefully different levels of downforce on the cars


Edited by Mastah, 10 September 2010 - 13:04.


#7041 currupipi

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 15:53

looks better in fp2, at least on the softs

#7042 imightbewrong

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 16:05

I believe this is a different rearwing than from Spa. Look at the second element, it's not straight at the top. The outer edges are way lower. (or Ferrari has designed some massive flexing in the rearwing as well :blush: :lol:)

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By designing the wing like this, they get a center section with big AoA that they can "switch of" but have full down force in corners, while the edges have less AoA and are thus less draggy. They probably need the higher AoA in the center to get the f-duct working. Looks like a good compromise idea to me, haven't seen any other teams doing it.

#7043 Mastah

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 17:31

Fernando Alonso, P1 - 1:24.543, 8th; P2 - 1:22.915, 2nd
“We are pleased with what we achieved in these two free practice sessions. We tried different aerodynamic configurations and now we must study the data carefully to make the right choices for tomorrow and Sunday. This track requires a low level of aerodynamic downforce, but you need to find the right compromise, especially so as not to prejudice stability under braking: it’s true that top speed is important, but it is not everything. Between the two sessions, we made some changes on the car which seem to have moved us in the right direction, but we must keep in mind that we ran with various difference fuel levels. We have seen before that Friday’s results are very often turned on their head on Saturday, therefore I definitely don’t want to make any predictions. We have to focus on ourselves and do our utmost in qualifying and especially on Sunday, in the race. It will not be easy, because once again, Red Bull is proving to be very competitive and McLaren seems to be as strong as predicted.”

Felipe Massa, P1 - 1:24.648, 9th; P2 - 1:23.061, 3rd
At the end of the second session, I tried to copy Kimi and do a bit of rallying…Joking apart, I was really lucky when I went off the track. I was heading for my best time, when I found myself in Michael’s wake at the Parabolica and went off: I kept the accelerator pressed down in the hope I would manage to avoid hitting the barrier and I managed it, so I came straight back to the pits. Unfortunately, the car was slightly damaged, so I had to miss out on the final part of our programme. However, overall, it has been a good day in which we constantly improved. We had a lot of work to get through and at the start we struggled a bit, but then we found a good set-up and in the end I was reasonably happy with my car. We learned a lot about the handling of the F10 and now we have plenty of data to analyse to prepare as well as possible for what is such an important event, this being the Scuderia’s home race.

Stefano Domenicali, Ferrari team principal
“My heart missed a beat when Felipe ended up in the gravel. It was lucky he did not end up in the barrier, as his car was going pretty quickly at the time. It was a shame, as he was improving his lap time, even if we know that Friday times count for little or nothing. The important thing is that we acquired a substantial amount of data which we will now use to prepare our cars as well as possible. This is an important event for us, both because it is our home race and because we are all aware of the situation in both championships. We will try and do the maximum, for ourselves and for our fans, although we know we are up against stiff opposition.”

Chris Dyer, Ferrari chief engineer
“We are reasonably pleased with how things went for this first day of the Italian Grand Prix. We had established a very intensive work schedule and we completed the bulk of it, but for Felipe’s last run, when he went off the track. Fortunately, Fernando managed to complete that part of the work with no trouble, so we will be able to use the data he acquired when we tackle the analysis which awaits us this afternoon and evening. We tested various aerodynamic configurations, albeit always using the blown rear wing. Studying the times, we don’t look that bad, but we have to evaluate these results, taking into account the usual unknown factors and keeping in mind that some teams might not have shown all their cards: we will not know the truth until tomorrow afternoon at three o’clock, when qualifying is over.



Drift onboard:



Love Felipe's gesture and mechanic's smile, eventhough it probably vanished when he had to repair car :D.

Edited by Mastah, 10 September 2010 - 20:11.


#7044 Ferrari2183

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 20:16

I'm reading that Alonso's fastest lap was interupted by yellow flags. Was it because Massa went rallying?

#7045 JackTorrance

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 23:26

The yellow flags were for Webbers car grinding to a halt.

Dyer seems not so sure Mclaren showed everything theyve got. Tbh Im not so sure either :)

#7046 Seanspeed

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Posted 10 September 2010 - 23:35

Alonso's last little stint on heavy fuel looked pretty handy compared to Mclaren and Red Bull for what its worth.

I still think Mclaren should take this easily, but as always, practice makes you question things..... :)

#7047 JackTorrance

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 05:04

Its make or break Sean.

Alonso needs to win or score significantly more points than the Mclaren boys. And the Red Bull looks like to have fantastic pace on a track it was deemed to be the worst. Really, barring a miracle, I dont see Red Bull losing this championship. Unless our red team wins this.

Shaking in my boots im awaiting Qualifying :)

#7048 Kanjeneroo

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 09:01

any news on what ferrari are driving ? diff setup rear wing ? front wing ?

#7049 Mastah

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Posted 11 September 2010 - 09:03

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Both F10s are fitted with the blown rear wing on the Monza version



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Posted 11 September 2010 - 09:03

tought i saw a difference in rear wing between alonso and massa