Listen, you could be jesus in a race suite, you wont win a race in a dog of a car period, unless its pure luck.
Wake up a little.
The macca by seasons end was one of, if not the fastest cars on track.
Somebody should have told Kovalainen.
Posted 24 January 2010 - 10:29
Listen, you could be jesus in a race suite, you wont win a race in a dog of a car period, unless its pure luck.
Wake up a little.
The macca by seasons end was one of, if not the fastest cars on track.
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Posted 24 January 2010 - 10:59
I'd suggest you chillax, but you'd probably need an app for that.Of course Lewis is going to win, but the manner in which he does it will be crucial IMO. I think a 10-15 points difference is realistic, but anything less will pose questions about his outright speed.
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In other news, I see McLaren have NOT forced Button to use a Blackberry
...but an iPhone instead.
Ron is just terrible? Why should any self respecting person be forced to use a 'phone' without multitasking, file structure, decent camera etc., and above all have to conform with Apple's stupid restrictions..
Button deserves to get beaten for selling his morals
Posted 24 January 2010 - 11:44
Please. Gives us a break
Brawn halted development after Turkey and McLaren were a flying rocket in some races after that. Many people say Lewis can adapt, but I remember Kovalainen kept out qualifying him left right and centre as well as keeping up points wise until the Mac got better. So there's no evidence to support your theory. There's more proof of Hamilton needing the rocket. And btw Jenson won 6 from 7 races but his teammate had none. Jense was making that Brawn look superior
Posted 24 January 2010 - 11:56
Think again.You're perfectly entitled to dislike Hamilton, but you're flat wrong on this.
Posted 24 January 2010 - 12:02
because he lacked the grit and determination to fight a bad car
Posted 24 January 2010 - 12:12
Think again.
Kovalainen qualified ahead in 3 successive racess - Monaco, Turkey and GB - when the car was at its worst.
Hamilton didn't even go through Q1 at those races - because he lacked the grit and determination to fight a bad car. That's when a smoother and more intelligent driver can show his beans.
And guess what? This year will be the same - Jenson's silky minimalist style will pose the advantage!
Posted 24 January 2010 - 12:17
Think again.
Kovalainen qualified ahead in 3 successive racess - Monaco, Turkey and GB - when the car was at its worst.
Hamilton didn't even go through Q1 at those races - because he lacked the grit and determination to fight a bad car. That's when a smoother and more intelligent driver can show his beans.
And guess what? This year will be the same - Jenson's silky minimalist style will pose the advantage!
Posted 24 January 2010 - 12:22
What you say, or even I have to say on the Button-Hamilton outcome, will soon be revealed to all. Come the 1st European race, the order of merit will be established. I just hope when Button is on the receiving end of some beatings, you don't start to act like Kovalainen fans and blame invisible forces, inferior equipment, heavier fuel strategies etc.
In GB, Hamilton had bad luck
with Sutils accident at Q1
Monaco Hamilton made a mistake
and at Turkey they gambled away with the set up
Posted 24 January 2010 - 12:59
Like this?Think again.
Kovalainen qualified ahead in 3 successive racess - Monaco, Turkey and GB - when the car was at its worst.
Hamilton didn't even go through Q1 at those races - because he lacked the grit and determination to fight a bad car. That's when a smoother and more intelligent driver can show his beans.
And guess what? This year will be the same - Jenson's silky minimalist style will pose the advantage!
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Posted 24 January 2010 - 13:14
Hamilton finished ahead of Heikki and set a quicker race lap despite being on a one stop strategyIn GB, Hamilton had bad luck
with Sutils accident at Q1
Monaco Hamilton made a mistake
and at Turkey they gambled away with the set up
Posted 24 January 2010 - 13:33
I'll leave the excuses to your fellow Lewis fans - you seem to have plenty in store:
Which is good of course, because you'll need them to explain how Jenson always ended up faster.
Edited by Bonaventura, 24 January 2010 - 13:42.
Posted 24 January 2010 - 14:38
I don't like the comparrisons being made and especially the whole ideology some people have that Lewis is going to destroy Jenson.
I think Jenson is a very competant driver and has a brilliant driving style, smooth and very very controlled, plus I also think the fact Jenson has won a title won't put pressure on him, he seems a cool customer and I reckon he will just go about his job without the worry of whats being said in the media about the whole him vs Lewis thing.
Lewis no doubt has talent in abundance and in some quarters seems the favourite to win this battle, but I think this battle is going to be alot closer than some will imagine, it'll be difficult to write Jenson off.
Posted 24 January 2010 - 14:57
Think again.
Kovalainen qualified ahead in 3 successive racess - Monaco, Turkey and GB - when the car was at its worst.
Hamilton didn't even go through Q1 at those races - because he lacked the grit and determination to fight a bad car. That's when a smoother and more intelligent driver can show his beans.
And guess what? This year will be the same - Jenson's silky minimalist style will pose the advantage!
Posted 24 January 2010 - 15:15
I have nothing against Button really, I'm sure he's a fine chap but watching him fumble around the track has really made me see him in a certain way, even in the RoC a couple of years ago, watching him against Schumacher in a FIAT 500 or something was incredible, his lack of raw talent was mesmerizing.
Posted 24 January 2010 - 16:10
, I'm sure he's a fine chap but watching him fumble around the track has really made me see him in a certain way,
Edited by MinT, 24 January 2010 - 16:11.
Posted 24 January 2010 - 16:37
but I remember Kovalainen kept out qualifying him left right and centre as well as keeping up points wise until the Mac got better.
Posted 24 January 2010 - 17:05
Posted 24 January 2010 - 19:55
Hamilton crashed in Monaco, had a technical problem in Turkey and in GB was denied his run due to a red flag at the end of quali 1. In Turkey and GB he finsihed those races ahead of Heikki. Lacking grit and determination? Not quite, but you know that already.
Best wishes in your attempts to pass yourself off as a Button fan.
Posted 24 January 2010 - 20:10
Posted 24 January 2010 - 20:54
Think again.
Kovalainen qualified ahead in 3 successive racess - Monaco, Turkey and GB - when the car was at its worst.
Hamilton didn't even go through Q1 at those races - because he lacked the grit and determination to fight a bad car. That's when a smoother and more intelligent driver can show his beans.
And guess what? This year will be the same - Jenson's silky minimalist style will pose the advantage!
Edited by Buttoneer, 24 January 2010 - 23:30.
Removed potential flaming and references to the deleted post.
Posted 24 January 2010 - 21:18
Think again.
Kovalainen qualified ahead in 3 successive racess - Monaco, Turkey and GB - when the car was at its worst.
Hamilton didn't even go through Q1 at those races - because he lacked the grit and determination to fight a bad car. That's when a smoother and more intelligent driver can show his beans.
And guess what? This year will be the same - Jenson's silky minimalist style will pose the advantage!
Posted 24 January 2010 - 21:31
but I do think Lewis will struggle with tyre and fuel economy.
Posted 24 January 2010 - 22:00
well........ Lewis might not be as good as Button at it, but to say "struggle" is I think blowing it up to bigger issue then it will be, like other drivers he will adapt and in any case it will mostly depend on how hard the car is on its tyre, but that will also effect qualifying
Posted 24 January 2010 - 22:53
I disagree. I think that Lewis will have the advantage in quali. Heikki did outqualify Lewis a lot more than the stats would show, because he was almost always given a higher fuel load, but Jenson is a better racer than qualifier, particuarly with the no refueling rule.
Lewis will outqualify Jenson, but Jenson will beat Lewis in the race. The simple reason is that being easy on tyres and fuel will make the race. IMHO, Lewis will do great in low fuel quali, but fall back during the race as he has to stop more often, and take a higher initial fuel load.
Obviously, just my opinion, and I could be wrong, (believe it or not, it wouldn't be the first time ), but I do think Lewis will struggle with tyre and fuel economy.
Edited by dabrasco, 24 January 2010 - 22:54.
Posted 24 January 2010 - 23:00
false myth perpetrated by Lewis haters...no actual facts to back it up.... check the Q2 stats on wikipedia, it was around 12-5 last season too for Lewis....
Posted 24 January 2010 - 23:01
Posted 24 January 2010 - 23:02
compromising one-lap qualifying for consistent lap times in the race is what Ham does, and there's a reason why Kov was under pressure for much of the seasonLewis haters like Martin Witmarsh you mean?
"The reality is that, in every race he's done for us so far, Heikki has done a fantastic job and if you look at fuel-corrected times, he's frequently out-qualified Lewis."
http://www.mclaren.c...anada/index.php
Posted 24 January 2010 - 23:08
compromising one-lap qualifying for consistent lap times in the race is what Ham does, and there's a reason why Kov was under pressure for much of the season
Posted 24 January 2010 - 23:31
Lewis haters like Martin Witmarsh you mean?
"The reality is that, in every race he's done for us so far, Heikki has done a fantastic job and if you look at fuel-corrected times, he's frequently out-qualified Lewis."
http://www.mclaren.c...anada/index.php
Edited by dabrasco, 24 January 2010 - 23:33.
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Posted 25 January 2010 - 01:19
Having low fuel qualifying in Q3 will finally give us good data about how well these guys qualify.
Edited by BillBald, 25 January 2010 - 11:50.
Posted 25 January 2010 - 12:22
McLaren has not yet decided who will get the first try out of the 2010 car, with former test driver Pedro de la Rosa having been pencilled in prior to his switch to BMW Sauber.
"Clearly, the absence of testing in January has eased the car-build schedule to a certain degree, but we're still working as hard as ever at the McLaren Technology Centre," continued Whitmarsh.
"We'll be launching the car at Vodafone's UK headquarters in Newbury on January 29, and we'll be running one MP4-25 at the first test at Valencia on February 1.
"Obviously, Pedro [de la Rosa]'s decision to sign with Sauber will have a slight impact on our test programme, but we'll overcome it. We're very happy that Pedro has got a race drive for 2010 – he's been a great asset to our team and, above all, a very dear friend to all of us.
"As has become customary with most teams, the first tests will be about establishing a baseline of performance, allowing the engineers and mechanics to learn and understand the new car and the impact of the new regulations.
Posted 25 January 2010 - 12:36
Who is going to do the shakedown of the '25. PDLR went to Sauber and this is now up in the air
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/81047
Its a tiny little point.. but so is which of merc's drivers gets #3 (and that didnt stop pages of comment)
.... will Macca bottle the decision and give the job to Paffett (instead of LH, who in my mind is the obvious choice) in the name of equality??
Posted 25 January 2010 - 13:00
yes
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/81049
in their defence, the new reserve driver should have some experience being a 'reserve' driver.
Posted 29 January 2010 - 12:26
Edited by jjcale, 29 January 2010 - 12:27.
Posted 29 January 2010 - 12:53
It's hard to say what value Q1 and Q2 head-to-head really means, since the goal is to simply advance and there's not much of a reason to push if you're comfortable in. But just to look at one pairing, here's Jenson and Rubens in 2009
Q1 - JB 12, RB 5
Pretty surprising considering Button isn't known as a low fuel guy. But then the tables turned a bit...
Q2 - RB 10.5, JB 6.5 (they had one race with identical Q2 times to the thousandth)
Not sure what to glean from this data. Perhaps Rubens was better at making adjustments for Q2. Maybe Button was better on the harder tyres more often used in Q1. Who knows? And even Q3 these past few years isn't a great indicator of qualifying speed because fuel correcting doesn't necessarily mean a driver could have done that time (balance at different weights and so on).
Having low fuel qualifying in Q3 will finally give us good data about how well these guys qualify.
And for the record, as much as I like this qualifying system, my favorite was the single lap one-at-a-time system used in 2004 or so. I liked seeing the whole lap for each driver and the pressure of only getting one shot at it. The current system gives the top cars too many chances to lock up the top spots, in my opinion.
Posted 29 January 2010 - 13:06
Well that launch was a nice little love in... lots of deferring to JB by LH.
Is he just a nice lad or does he have so little fear of being beaten by JB that there isnt even a hint of tension between them?
Posted 29 January 2010 - 13:12
Posted 29 January 2010 - 13:16
Lewis looked a little bit lostWell I disagree with your verdict. ,Lewis was playing 2nd fiddle to a much more relaxed and at ease with the media - Button and Lewis seemed a bit uncomfortable with it to me.
Jenson was the no1 driver in evert respect at the alunch ..but the driving comes next
Posted 29 January 2010 - 13:21
Posted 29 January 2010 - 14:33
http://www.jamesalle...etitive-season/
I dont see this Lewis nervous business, he was even defending Button, praising Button and all... they both seemed fairly comfortable.
Posted 29 January 2010 - 14:39
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Edited by MinT, 29 January 2010 - 15:30.
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Posted 29 January 2010 - 22:29
I much prefer Button to underestimated on the forums. I think some surprises are in store. For sure.
Posted 29 January 2010 - 23:45
The first thing Lewis said was how much he was a part of the team and how he personally helped bring the car performance forward, I don't think he likes sharing the spotlight with a fellow Brit, whereas Jenson felt much more relaxed and carefree IMO.
Posted 29 January 2010 - 23:58
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Posted 30 January 2010 - 00:18
Jenson does seem more at ease in front of the media compared to Lewis, but considering he has been around a lot longer, this should be expected really.