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#2701 ivand911

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:16

Michael's fastest lap was canceled...probably cut the chicane. :rolleyes:

Which one 1:21.2?



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#2702 Spa95

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:16

Schumacher 1:21.268 fastest :up:

Hopefully he didn't cut the chicane this time. :love:

#2703 Spa95

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:16

Which one 1:21.2?

No, the one before that.

#2704 BRK

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:17

I'm in love with the front wing endplates.

And wow-was that lap struck off? Hope not as it was a megatime!

#2705 RedBaron

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:17

That's a lovely little lap time.

#2706 bauss

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:18

very very good laptime

#2707 salamin

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:19

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#2708 TF110

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:19

It's an official time, half second clear of the fastest lap so far this test, or last test.

#2709 Spa95

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:19

And wow-was that lap struck off? Hope not as it was a megatime!

No worries, I was talking about the 1.22.xxx time.

Edited by Spa95, 11 March 2011 - 10:19.


#2710 Mastah

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:19

Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel that Mercedes is 2-5 tenths slower than Sauber in quali trim, not to mention faster cars.


OK, I was wrong if 21.3 is genuine time :).

#2711 ivand911

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:21

Rain is coming, to save our lap, I hope. :rotfl: Now, one race simulation for me, Please.

Edited by ivand911, 11 March 2011 - 10:23.


#2712 rog

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:24

I hope it was on soft tyres not on super soft, would be even more impressive. For me it looks like they are third best team now with all the upgrades on the car. Much better than expected.

#2713 hunnylander

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:25

There is a picture of a large red balloon (as on the live commentary) accompanying that Scarbs update about the new brake ducts.



I'm assuming it's a mild political statement of some kind..

No, that was in his link, because he linked to the GPUpdate gallery, and the balloon was the first image in the gallery (at that time).

#2714 Diablobb81

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:29

The very positive thing is that the updates are working. A much, much better position than last year.

#2715 RedBaron

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:31

Is it absolutely official, Schumacher did not cut a chicane on that quick lap (1m21.268s) and he was on supersofts?

#2716 Spa95

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:31

was on supersoft.

If i get a penny for everytime i ask this.... Source?

Edited by Spa95, 11 March 2011 - 10:31.


#2717 Snuggie

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:31

The track today is much faster than yesterday

It's definitely faster for MS, don't know about the others. :up:

#2718 FlashMaster

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:32

was on supersoft. I wonder how fast rbr and Ferrari can go.

The track today is much faster than yesterday


Supersoft isn't available, only soft and hard :wave:

#2719 RedBaron

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:33

Supersoft isn't available, only soft and hard :wave:



Great news thanks FlashMaster.

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#2720 DutchCruijff

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:34

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/89776

"All four Pirelli compounds have been available in the winter tests held so far, but for this week's Catalunya session only the hard and soft tyres will be in use"

In before source :p

Edited by DutchCruijff, 11 March 2011 - 10:34.


#2721 fololo

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:34

Supersoft isn't available, only soft and hard :wave:

wrong it is. Perez used it yesterday.

source:f1today

#2722 ivand911

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:34

Supersoft isn't available, only soft and hard :wave:

It is not exactly true. Yesterday LRGP said that they evaluate soft,medium and hard tyres. So they could have supersoft today, who knows. But, soft or SS lap time is still very good.


#2723 Diablobb81

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:34

Apparently all types of tires are available.



#2724 TF110

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:35

That's not true, as yesterday Renault were using medium tires. I think all the compounds are available, Autosport just said teams will try hards and softs seeing as how melbourne will be using those two.

EDIT- seems i was beaten, twice!

Edited by TF110, 11 March 2011 - 10:36.


#2725 AvranaKern

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:35

Great news thanks FlashMaster.

I'm sorry to break the party, but this is not true. Here is the team's statements about the yesterday:

James Key:
"He [Perez] did a good and controlled set of laps, setting a time of 1:22.042 minutes on soft tyres and 1:21.761 on the super soft compound."

And from Renault:
"For the afternoon with Nick, we concentrated on set-up work and ran the medium and soft tyres."

#2726 Snuggie

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:37

MGP W02 suddenly looks impressive, and IIRC they are bringing some new parts to Melbourne, because they could not be manufactured on time. It was mentioned in last weeks Autosport magazine.

#2727 FlashMaster

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:37

Apparently all types of tires are available.


Ok thanks

#2728 ivand911

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:38

Even with SS tyres lap time is very very good. Sauber was 0,5 slower with the same tyres. Lets other teams show what they can. Me happy. We are ready for Australia.

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Edited by ivand911, 11 March 2011 - 10:43.


#2729 Pizdek

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:43

arent MGP updated a rear wing also? no one coment that..

#2730 salamin

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:43

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#2731 baddog

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:46

arent MGP updated a rear wing also? no one coment that..


If he rear wing is different in the pics so far then it is subtle and not visible on brief inspection (by me anyway ;) )

#2732 rog

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:48

was on supersoft. I wonder how fast rbr and Ferrari can go.

The track today is much faster than yesterday



Do you have a source? Btw the Pirelli tyres doesn't rubber the track at all. Difference should be not that big to yesterday.

#2733 ivand911

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:49

10:20 Jag has emailed live@autosport.com to ask "do you guys believe Mercedes has made up the gap to the fronrunners with the new updates? And how is Michael Schumacher looking these days, has he got a GP win in him?"

AUTOSPORT's deputy F1 editor @m_glendenning replies: "The boring answer is that it's still too early to really say. The slightly less boring answer is that it appears that the upgrades have delivered a very real step forward, but I suspect it would be a bit optimistic to suggest that they've done enough to put the team wheel-to-wheel with Red Bull and Ferrari in Australia.

"What the developments have done is move the team forward among that gaggle of cars fighting it out to be best of the rest in terms of outright performance at the opening races. So if you're a Mercedes fan then you can probably feel confident that the team is in better shape than it looked at the last test, but the number of question marks everywhere else along pitlane makes it hard to pick who exactly they might have leapfrogged.

"And how is Michael looking these days? Fit, slightly tanned, and pretty happy, judging from his press briefing a couple of days ago. I asked Norbert Haug what sort of shape he thought he was in, and his opinion was that Schumacher is ready to go."

#2734 Snuggie

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:50

If he rear wing is different in the pics so far then it is subtle and not visible on brief inspection (by me anyway ;) )

The one Rosberg used on Wednesday had curved side holes, MS's has horizontal holes. The were experimenting with both at the previous Barcelona test.

#2735 salamin

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:52

1.21.7 for schumacher

#2736 FlashMaster

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:52

1:21.714 next Qlf sim now with the soft compound?

#2737 rog

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:54

Fastest and second fastest Barcelona time for Schumacher. 1:21,7 could be with the soft compound and 1:21,2 with the super soft.

#2738 Spa95

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:56

Hopefully it was done with soft and hard. :cool:

Edited by Spa95, 11 March 2011 - 10:57.


#2739 BRK

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:57

What compound was Vettel's 21.8 set on?


Button said there was about a half a second to be found from the hards to medium, a further half second to soft, and then a second going from the softs to the supersofts. Then Vettel mentioned yesterday that there's about 8-9 seconds difference in laptimes between the car + tyres' extremes of performance. Considering early race pace seems to be in the 1:30s and 1:31s for both Red Bull and Ferrari, I doubt even these guys could dip into the low 1:20s and go a full second quicker than that Merc time.

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#2740 Pizdek

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:57

Hopefully it was done with soft and hard. :cool:


would love to :up:


#2741 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:58

Maybe a super-soft run first, then a soft run second? :p

#2742 rog

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:58

According to Amus 21,2 with soft tyres but f1today says super soft. Question is who's right?

And he drove this time with the old front wing according Amus.

Edited by rog, 11 March 2011 - 10:59.


#2743 Spa95

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 11:00

According to Amus 21,2 with soft tyres but f1today says super soft. Question is who's right?

On f1today it says "probably". So the reporter is just guessing there.

Edited by Spa95, 11 March 2011 - 11:01.


#2744 RedBaron

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 11:01

I'm sorry to break the party, but this is not true. Here is the team's statements about the yesterday:

James Key:
"He [Perez] did a good and controlled set of laps, setting a time of 1:22.042 minutes on soft tyres and 1:21.761 on the super soft compound."

And from Renault:
"For the afternoon with Nick, we concentrated on set-up work and ran the medium and soft tyres."


You're not really breaking the party, it's a great showing from Mercedes in the form of improvement from the past test days. Even if they're running supersofts.

#2745 salamin

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 11:02

According to Amus 21,2 with soft tyres but f1today says super soft. Question is who's right?

And he drove this time with the old front wing according Amus.


amus seems to be a good source with testing these days, so i go for it :)

#2746 FlashMaster

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 11:02

AMuS

11:58 Außerdem soll Schumacher bei seiner Spitzenrunde noch mit dem alten Frontflügel gefahren sein. Nähere exklusive Details erfahren Sie natürlich in Kürze ausführlich bei auto motor und sport.

11:56 Noch eine gute Nachricht für alle Mercedes-Fans: Schumacher soll seine absolute Bestzeit auf Reifen der Marke "soft" und nicht auf den ultraweichen "supersoft" gefahren haben, die sogar noch schneller gewesen wären. Damit hat der Mercedes das gestern von Ross Brawn angekündigte Potenzial eindrucksvoll bewiesen.


Fastest time 1:21.2 set with old front wing and soft (not supersoft)

Edited by FlashMaster, 11 March 2011 - 11:02.


#2747 BRK

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 11:03

According to Amus 21,2 with soft tyres but f1today says super soft. Question is who's right?

And he drove this time with the old front wing according Amus.


Look at the times and Button's comments from a while ago: if his theory about the time gains between compounds is accurate,the 21.2 was probably on the softs and the 21.7 on the medium compound as there's a perfect half second between them.

#2748 RedBaron

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 11:03

And he drove this time with the old front wing according Amus.



And according to the image Autosport posted in their live feed - if that photograph is up to date and not just a library photo.

#2749 salamin

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 11:03

AMuS



Fastest time 1:21.2 set with old front wing and soft (not supersoft)

:eek: :eek:

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Posted 11 March 2011 - 11:12

AMuS



Fastest time 1:21.2 set with old front wing and soft (not supersoft)


Well, let's hope they want to make a comparison to know the gain of the new FW, yes? :)