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#7151 Rob

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 11:39

Aleix Espargaro has signed with Aspar to run a CRT bike.

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#7152 Rob

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 11:51

Esteve Rabat will be testing a Kalex for Sito Pons, Julian Simon will be on an FTR for Blusens and Zarco will be out on the Motobi/TSR. Gino Rea is testing for Gresini. Marc VDS testing the Kalex that they will be running next year.

Bradl will be testing an 800cc Honda on Tuesday.

#7153 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 12:38

According to Cal Cruchlow, Melissa Paris gets to run the Tech3 Yamaha around Valencia tomorrow

and: @calcrutchlow: @BradleySmith38 why don't you just stay and ride 800 you girl …, #seewhatyougot

#7154 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 17:27

@AziFarni Iannone will not test Gresini MotoGP bike tomorrow, only because they couldnt get a meeting in time to finalise details. may ride it on weds

@AziFarni the rain stopped Elias testing Gresini Moto2 today but might test with them here in a few weeks. he will def take Moto2 if no MotoGP options

#7155 monza2001

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 18:07

Pramac confirm Barberá signing for 2012

http://www.motogp.co...Pramac for 2012

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 20:24

Stoner threatening to quit -

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/95999

MotoGP world champion Casey Stoner has warned he will have little interest in staying in the championship if the regulations are steered more towards production-based machinery.


Someone should tell him Superbikes have been producing better racing than MotoGP in recent years.





#7157 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 20:26

Someone should just tell him to shut up.

#7158 Ellios

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 20:43

Presumably Ben Spies should also STFU

Yamaha's Ben Spies said he was also concerned about the prospects of a CRT-based future for the championship, though he acknowledged that the global financial system might force radical change.

"The way the economy's going, I hope I have a job in 2013, so I'm not worried about a CRT bike right now, that's for sure," he said. "But I'm not the biggest fan of it."


perhaps not

#7159 carbonfibre

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 20:43

Someone should just tell him to shut up.

Thank god people like him still tell it like it is.

The same goes for Formula one, these series shouldn't be about production based products, it should be about making the best of the best and go faster and faster and yes that costs money but it's always has been this way. Standard ecu standard this standard that just isn't the best of the best anymore simple as that.

A budget cap isn't a problem in my eyes but they should allow the teams to be free in creating anything as long as they don't override the budget, so more freedom for different engine's, more cylinders etc etc etc.

Edited by carbonfibre, 07 November 2011 - 20:44.


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#7160 Nova

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 20:54

Stoner threatening to quit -

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/95999



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I'm really warming up to the guy. Hardcore.

#7161 Hippo

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 20:56

What's wrong about riders stating their opinions?

#7162 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 21:05

Nothing. It'd just be nice to hear Stoner say something non-bratty for a change.

Wasn't he going to quit when the series went to a spec tire?

#7163 TFLB

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 21:06

TBH I'm fine about the whole CRT thing as long as they don't turn it into a full-on spec series. At the moment CRT seems like it will add a bit more variety, which can only be good.

#7164 sushantf1

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 21:48

He thinks that now he is the WC his opinion will decide Motogp future...Show is bigger than artists ;)

#7165 Redback

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 21:53

Nothing. It'd just be nice to hear Stoner say something non-bratty for a change.

Wasn't he going to quit when the series went to a spec tire?

Which quotes in particular do you consider "bratty"?

What (in your learned opinion) should he have said and in what manner?

Were you there during the interview, or are you deriving your opinion from just the quotes in Matt Beer's article?



#7166 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 21:55

My opinion is based on his body of work. He rarely says anything thoughtful.

At least Spies is clever enough to realise the nirvana of a pure prototype class might not be realistic economically.

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 23:20

My opinion is based on his body of work. He rarely says anything thoughtful.


Motorbike riders are not philosophy majors.

With this season putting the last few years into perspective, Stoner as the lead rider has every right to voice his opinion on the future of the series, even if may not be universally welcomed.

#7168 Redback

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 23:33

My opinion is based on his body of work. He rarely says anything thoughtful.

At least Spies is clever enough to realise the nirvana of a pure prototype class might not be realistic economically.

So nothing specific, you're just voicing a long-held opinion that bears no real relationship to the actual comments?

Thank you.

#7169 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 23:50

In this specific case I don't agree with his statement that MotoGP would suddenly become like touring cars. I'm not even sure what that means since even a touring car is still a proper racing car.

But I'm not going to blame this comment on Matt Beer, as if he could somehow mistranslate Australian. Stoner has a history of being better at opening the throttle than opening his mouth.

#7170 Hippo

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 00:04

I don't know. His touring car reference seems to be fairly fitting. After all superbikes are the touring cars of motorcycle racing. And right now CRTs are about superbike fast. And have superbike engines.

Do you really believe the factories will stay in MotoGP if it gets turned into a spec series? No way... They'll either quit racing or start some new prototype series. And Stoner made it clear, that he'd quit too or join another series if that came true. Fair statement if you ask me. And Ben Spies seems to be of the same attitude.

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 00:13

Are factories crucial?

The key with Spies is he's got more than one thought rattling around in his head so could understand things like CRT are neccessary evils. Stoner's position is always as convincing as "it's stupid, I hate it".

#7172 beanoid

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 00:58

Stoner threatening to quit -

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/95999



Someone should tell him Superbikes have been producing better racing than MotoGP in recent years.


He'll have to quit because if they don't do something to control costs there won't be any bikes for him to ride anyway.

Byeeeeeeeee!


#7173 HPT

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 04:59

Someone should just tell him to shut up.


A double world champ giving his opinion. Hmmm...with all due respect, someone should tell you to shut up instead. :)

#7174 Lazy Prodigy

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 05:03

I agree with Stoner. I wouldnt want MotoGP to be anything less than prototypes but its obvious they cant control the cost. So I guess he will leave. Ciao.

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 05:18

He thinks that now he is the WC his opinion will decide Motogp future...Show is bigger than artists ;)


Unless your name is Valentino Rossi! :wave:


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Posted 08 November 2011 - 06:40

Denning: Suzuki in MotoGP nel 2012

http://www.gpone.com...P-nel-2012.html



#7177 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 07:04

Are factories crucial?


Not at all. F1 has been better off with a spec ECU, rev limit and fewer factories. I'd love to see the same thing happen to MotoGP.

#7178 Yoshi

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 08:56

Any Livetiming from the Tests today?

#7179 Yoshi

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 09:43

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#7180 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 10:12

Any Livetiming from the Tests today?

Not that I know of, we will just have to rely on twitter.

@birtymotogp: Rossi is out now. Spies has set a 1.34.800 and Rossi has done a 1.34.900. Still no sign of Stoner or Pedrosa

Size really does matter. Checkout how much foam padding Crutchlow needs on Yamaha's new 1000cc MotoGP bike twitpic.com/7c1nsj

#7181 Thanatos

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 10:13

Is it me, or does that look VERY different from the 2011/2012 bike they have been running. Clearly see the Ali frame!

Hoping they do sort out the bike for both Vale's and Hayden's sake!

#7182 Realyn

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 10:23

Is Bradl racing a LCR factory Honda ?

#7183 bonneville

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 10:32

Is it me, or does that look VERY different from the 2011/2012 bike they have been running. Clearly see the Ali frame!

Hoping they do sort out the bike for both Vale's and Hayden's sake!


Spot the difference: here is a comparison.

Hint: fairing, exhaust, frame; What else?
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Posted 08 November 2011 - 10:36

This is Ducati’s radical new twin spar aluminium frame that Valentino Rossi and Nicky Hayden will test on the GP12 Desmosedici MotoGP bike over the next two days in Valencia.

The Bologna factory has introduced a conventional frame to try and improve front-end feeling after a disastrous final 800cc campaign saw Rossi and Hayden score just one podium finish each in 2011.

MCN revealed that Ducati was working on a conventional twin spar aluminium frame at the Misano race in early September when CAD drawings of the chassis were spotted.

During a press briefing yesterday (Monday), Ducati technical guru Filippo Preziosi said: "The bike is not the bike we will use for the first race. The bike you will see tomorrow is an experimental bike, a real prototype to give to our designers the targets to design the bike for the future. We don’t expect that at the test we will have a step in performance because the bike is more or less the same as the current bike but with a different technology. But this is really important for us to grow up our knowledge of this technology. We strongly believe we are moving in the right direction but our competitors have an advantage and it is not easy to say if and when we will join them but for sure we will give all our energy to try."


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#7185 bonneville

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 10:38

Better photo through MCN:

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#7186 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 10:42

Is Bradl racing a LCR factory Honda ?

Nothing has been said about 2012 yet, but at this test he is riding the same bike Elias raced, the 800 RC212V
http://yfrog.com/od15629009j

Lucio Cecchinello – LCR Team Manager: “In a couple of days, together with our sponsors and Honda, we will take our final decision about the rider who will line up with us in 2012. In the mean time we have welcomed the HRC request to give our structure and our RC212V bikes to the new Moto2 World Champion Stefan Bradl and we hope he will enjoy the MotoGP Experience."

#7187 Atreiu

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 10:59

That's hardly a threat, you guys are way overreacting.

#7188 Yoshi

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 11:01

http://www.motogp.com/ here is a Livetiming on the right.

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 11:08

At least Spies is clever enough to realise the nirvana of a pure prototype class might not be realistic economically.


How about going back to two stroke? Oh I forgot thats bad for the environment :rolleyes:

#7190 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 11:10

oh cool, bit slow though

Pedrosa currently leading test with a 1.32.939. Stoner 2nd - 1.33.513, Spies 3rd - 1.33.561, Rossi 4th 1.34.291

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 11:12

What what what, who are those "Desguaces la Torre" and "Grillini" teams ? What are their bikes ? Who are those riders ? :lol:
BQR with the FTR Kawazaki ?

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 11:36

Pedrosa 1st 1'32"939 the best CRT Carmelo Morales 1'41"130...

:well:

#7193 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 11:42

Pedrosa 1st 1'32"939 the best CRT Carmelo Morales 1'41"130...

:well:

11 Ivan Silva BQR 1:38.074 +0.599 +5.198 24

Has the BQR tested anywhere yet?

#7194 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 11:51

@birtymotogp: Randy de Puniet is just about to test the Suzuki GSV-R 800 in Valencia. Still no news on 2012 from them

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 11:54

Nothing has been said about 2012 yet, but at this test he is riding the same bike Elias raced, the 800 RC212V
http://yfrog.com/od15629009j

Lucio Cecchinello – LCR Team Manager: “In a couple of days, together with our sponsors and Honda, we will take our final decision about the rider who will line up with us in 2012. In the mean time we have welcomed the HRC request to give our structure and our RC212V bikes to the new Moto2 World Champion Stefan Bradl and we hope he will enjoy the MotoGP Experience."

Yeah I allready knew that quote.

As a german I hope Bradl does well today. It´s really stupid right now.
We basically have one major paper(Bild) and right now the sport headlines are: Joe frazier, Poker, Schumi, Gomez and Klose, Schalke and Riding - a horse died. Not one word about Bradl since sunday. So stupid. I obv don´t even need to mention the way they go crazy about Vettel. Or lets talk about Marco. They had a major headline on the front page, showing pictures, videos and the usuall media bullshit.

So yeah, I hope he attracts some new sponros and viessmann is fine with that. The rumors about LCR are real I believe. Dorna has a huge interest in getting a German into MotoGP. Fingers crossed ...

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 11:56

Dorna has a huge interest in getting the Moto2 champ into MotoGP.


Fixed. :p

#7197 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 11:56

Hayden isn't running bacause of wrist pain

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 12:07

Not at all. F1 has been better off with a spec ECU, rev limit and fewer factories. I'd love to see the same thing happen to MotoGP.


I really liked in 2006 when Kenny Roberts went to the scrap yard with his hammer and made a competitive Honda powered bike. Is that feasible with some sort of leased-engines requirement, or was that a specific set of circumstances. Ie a Honda 990 being an awesome engine, Team KR's experience building prototypes(maybe smaller teams couldn't compete with the factory resources), etc.

One problem that hasn't really been talked about is that MotoGP is still coming down off the nicotine high. In some respects they over-inflated as much as CART did.

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 12:22

@motomatters

Just spoke to Hector Barbera. He said new aluminium chassis is a huge improvement, can feel the front end on corner entry (cont).
Ducati feels more like his old Aprilia 250, he said. You can feel the connection between the front and the rear. Engine is also much sweeter
Gearchange is also much faster. Much better feeling all round.

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#7200 Gilles4Ever

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 12:29

There is a feeling that De Puniet is testing the Suzuki means that Bautista has done a deal with Honda/LCR