Nah just McLaren fans helping us see the darkness that Ferrari are in. No doubt they will. E piling in to tell us that this was a media lap.
I don't know why they are so happy. According to Benson, McLaren would be lapped by Red Bull come melbourne.
Posted 03 March 2012 - 10:25
Nah just McLaren fans helping us see the darkness that Ferrari are in. No doubt they will. E piling in to tell us that this was a media lap.
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Posted 03 March 2012 - 10:27
Probably just payback for all the crap we gave them last year in testing. I wish it didn't have to be like this.I don't know why they are so happy. According to Benson, McLaren would be lapped by Red Bull come melbourne.
Edited by SCUDmissile, 03 March 2012 - 10:28.
Posted 03 March 2012 - 10:28
I don't know why they are so happy. According to Benson, McLaren would be lapped by Red Bull come melbourne.
Posted 03 March 2012 - 10:28
I don't know why they are so happy. According to Benson, McLaren would be lapped by Red Bull come melbourne.
Posted 03 March 2012 - 10:28
and you know this because you work thereNo, they planned that exhaust for awhile with probably accurate simulation and cfd work. Whereas Ferrari tries multiple placements without really knowing which one should be better from CFD. Nor have they tried any advanced channeling to the floor. The had the opportunity to try, they saw McLaren do it since the first test
Posted 03 March 2012 - 10:29
I don't know last rb stint showed Ferrari levels of degDont sound that happy now with that new Red Bull update revealed ;)
Posted 03 March 2012 - 10:29
and you know this because you work there
Posted 03 March 2012 - 10:29
Too much viagra?
Posted 03 March 2012 - 10:33
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Posted 03 March 2012 - 10:33
I don´t need it....
Edited by xlr8, 03 March 2012 - 10:37.
Posted 03 March 2012 - 10:34
Then don't ask a stupid question.
Posted 03 March 2012 - 10:36
OK. Some call you a Troll, and there is a distinct negative pattern to your posts, but, for the moment, I'll take this seriously.No, they planned that exhaust for awhile with probably accurate simulation and cfd work. Whereas Ferrari tries multiple placements without really knowing which one should be better from CFD. Nor have they tried any advanced channeling to the floor. The had the opportunity to try, they saw McLaren do it since the first test
Posted 03 March 2012 - 10:39
I don´t need it....
Posted 03 March 2012 - 10:44
OK. Some call you a Troll, and there is a distinct negative pattern to your posts, but, for the moment, I'll take this seriously.
I agree with you that Red Bull have been analysing data during testing, and believe this is the BEST solution of the MANY solutions they have likely tried. They are a proper team, and also the back to back World Champs, so I have confidence that what they bring is the best compromise for them. McLaren work in this same way I think. The issue for you, is that you seem to think Ferrari are a bunch of Italians with imported Brits, Greeks, Japanese, etc, running around trying to find the right-sized spanner to use while tripping over their tool boxes. IN YOUR DREAMS!
Ferrari have their own solutions they've been testing, looking for the best compromise for themselves. It seems they've tested more solutions than everyone else (Just from what I've read!), with many tests for individual parts. It's only NOW that they are going to put them all together on the car, and take the car for a spin. TOTALLY different type of testing than they've been used to doing, and it's made it very difficult for others to make a lot of sense of, and easy for rock-throwers (Do you happen to know any??) to take aim at. But I'm CONFIDENT it makes sense to Ferrari, and have FAITH in the Scuderia and the calm resolve they've shown amidst all the insults. In fact, THAT is what gives me the MOST CONFIDENCE!
We'll find out in Melbourne. I hope you'll be watching!
Posted 03 March 2012 - 10:45
I don´t need it....
Posted 03 March 2012 - 10:48
Posted 03 March 2012 - 10:48
Media lap??
Posted 03 March 2012 - 10:48
Posted 03 March 2012 - 10:48
Hey hey. Don't forget the McLaren stint. Lost 2 seconds in 5 laps.I don't know last rb stint showed Ferrari levels of deg ;)
Posted 03 March 2012 - 10:50
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Sounds good to me. I do understand that there are different solutions here. Especially as Ferrari has a different radiator configuration. I'm just surprised Ferrari didn't try the channel concept for the outer exhaust
Posted 03 March 2012 - 10:54
Who knows if they did or didn't? They've angled the exhausts so much during these tests, seeking a fraction of speed, I certainly couldn't tell you all the permuations they've tried! And I don't think anyone else outside the team can either.Sounds good to me. I do understand that there are different solutions here. Especially as Ferrari has a different radiator configuration. I'm just surprised Ferrari didn't try the channel concept for the outer exhaust
Edited by PoleMan, 03 March 2012 - 11:00.
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Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:04
joseluisf1
- They are testing another setup and at least one new piece (unspecified) aerodynamics. There are also changes in the management of Pirelli.
- As soon as you arrive will begin to test the 4 new pieces, one (s) of these "long (s)
- In principle the pieces should try individually, but due to lack of time, could decide to put them all together
Original tweets
- Están probando otro setup y al menos una nueva pieza aerodinámica (no especificada). También hay cambios en el manejo de los Pirelli
- En cuanto lleguen empezarán a probar las 4 nuevas piezas, alguna(s) de ellas 'larga(s)'
- En principio las piezas se deberían probar individualmente, pero debido a la falta de tiempo, podrían decidir ponerlas todas juntas
Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:09
Ok. I could have been more precise in saying that maybe they DID try this example on a lap top and it didn't work for them. Maybe they'll be introducing it later today or tomorrow. Who knows??I don't hope Ferrari fails. I hope they succeed, "relatively." LOL, aka, behind McLaren, but trouncing Redbull. If McLaren fails, I'm behind Ferrari 100%. If Ferrari fails, than anyone but Redbull. I don't think you're getting at what I was suggesting. I was suggesting usage of a physical channel behind the exhaust like McLaren, Redbull, and Sauber. McLaren showed this a long while back. I'm surprised Ferrari didn't try it out, especially since the plan was to try out a variety of exhausts anyways. Who knows, it could actually work very well for Ferrari's TOTAL PACKAGE
Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:10
Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:12
Hey hey. Don't forget the McLaren stint. Lost 2 seconds in 5 laps.
Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:13
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Edited by Alarcon, 03 March 2012 - 11:24.
Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:24
Anyone know the tyre allocation for Melbourne?
Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:26
Q3 Montmeló 2011:
Webber 1:20.981 (pole position)
Lewis 1:21.961 (3º position)
Alonso 1:21.964 (4º position)
Yesterday Alonso did 1:23.447s (softs?) and Fry said that: "Reasonable shape I suppose. You are always going to be happy when you are sitting there half a second a lap quicker than everyone knowing that you have still got 60 kilos of fuel in the car"
However in Montmeló you are 7 tenths faster with 20 kg. of fuel less (De la Rosa said). Following what Fry said yesterday that would mean about 2 seconds faster than 1:23.447... then about 1:21,400. But without fuel...
Massa today did a 1:22,413 it means supersoft tyres but still less fuel... he also did 1:22,896s with hard tyres (then less fuel).
Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:28
What do you want to say with it? I can't see.
Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:29
What do you want to say with it? I can't see.
Edited by Alarcon, 03 March 2012 - 11:33.
Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:29
Soft and Medium.
Edited by RedOne, 03 March 2012 - 11:30.
Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:30
joseluisf1
- They are testing another setup and at least one new piece (unspecified) of aerodynamics. There are also changes in the management of Pirelli.
- As soon as
youthey (the pieces) arrive, they will begin to test the 4 new pieces, one (s) of these "long (s)"- In principle the pieces should try individually, but due to lack of time, could decide to put them all together[/b]
Original tweets
- Están probando otro setup y al menos una nueva pieza aerodinámica (no especificada). También hay cambios en el manejo de los Pirelli
- En cuanto lleguen empezarán a probar las 4 nuevas piezas, alguna(s) de ellas 'larga(s)'
- En principio las piezas se deberían probar individualmente, pero debido a la falta de tiempo, podrían decidir ponerlas todas juntas
Edited by KnucklesAgain, 03 March 2012 - 11:37.
Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:34
Q3 Montmeló 2011:
Webber 1:20.981 (pole position)
Lewis 1:21.961 (3º position)
Alonso 1:21.964 (4º position)
Yesterday Alonso did 1:23.447s (softs?) and Fry said that: "Reasonable shape I suppose. You are always going to be happy when you are sitting there half a second a lap quicker than everyone knowing that you have still got 60 kilos of fuel in the car"
However in Montmeló you are 7 tenths faster with 20 kg. of fuel less (De la Rosa said). Following what Fry said yesterday that would mean about 2 seconds faster than 1:23.447... then about 1:21,400. But without fuel...
Massa today did a 1:22,413 it means supersoft tyres but still less fuel... he also did 1:22,896s with hard tyres (then less fuel).
Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:34
What do you want to say with it? I can't see.
Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:36
Q3 Montmeló 2011:
Webber 1:20.981 (pole position)
Lewis 1:21.961 (3º position)
Alonso 1:21.964 (4º position)
Yesterday Alonso did 1:23.447s (softs?) and Fry said that: "Reasonable shape I suppose. You are always going to be happy when you are sitting there half a second a lap quicker than everyone knowing that you have still got 60 kilos of fuel in the car"
However in Montmeló you are 7 tenths faster with 20 kg. of fuel less (De la Rosa said). Following what Fry said yesterday that would mean about 2 seconds faster than 1:23.447... then about 1:21,400. But without fuel...
Massa today did a 1:22,413 it means supersoft tyres but still less fuel... he also did 1:22,896s with hard tyres (then less fuel).
Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:36
My question also. Are you saying that other teams are going to thrash us by two seconds as they're already faster, with more fuel or that Ferrari had 60kg of fuel onboard and has the potential to go 2 seconds quicker?
Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:36
I´m sorry for the bad shape of the F2012 for my Ferrari mates!
Come on, and Keep the Faith!!!
Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:36
I was thinking then that maybe Ferrari's race simulation from yesterday is for Australia since Alonso was only on soft and medium. Grosjean looked to be on a simulation more suited for this circuit then Melbourne. That might explain a few things just a thought..
Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:37
I´m trying to predict the Q3 time with the new Ferrari car at Montmeló compared with the last year results:
Following the fuel consumption at the track and what Fry said, i said: 1:21:400. Wich means an improvement from last year (about half a second), but maybe not enough. You can apply that to all the 2012 tracks.
As I said is a prediction, sadly like all the people we can´t know the "real times"...
Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:40
Jesus Maria! That is a specualtion. Are you a fortune-teller? I don't want to bother you, but we don't know how much fuel Ferrari had on borad. According to your logics, Marussia is away from the test, but if and whether... so overall they are two seconds quicker than last year. No, that is pur specualtion.
One thing is for sure:
Strong times set on hard:
Felipe: 1:22.8
Vettel: 1:23.0
Button: 1:23.2
AND Senna: 1:23.2
Senna's times suggests that Vettel and Button should have had reasonable amout of fuel on board.
What amazed me is the time set by Kovalainen: 1:22.6. It was set on supersoft, but even on that it is prettey nice lap time and suggest there would be much more to come from RB and McLaren. But these re pure suggestions.
Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:43
Much more to come from Ferrari too? No? Okay
Edited by revlec, 03 March 2012 - 11:44.
Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:43
Jesus Maria! That is a specualtion. Are you a fortune-teller? I don't want to bother you, but we don't know how much fuel Ferrari had on borad. According to your logics, Marussia is away from the test, but if and whether... so overall they are two seconds quicker than last year. No, that is pur specualtion.
One thing is for sure:
Strong times set on hard:
Felipe: 1:22.8
Vettel: 1:23.0
Button: 1:23.2
AND Senna: 1:23.2
Senna's times suggests that Vettel and Button should have had reasonable amout of fuel on board.
What amazed me is the time set by Kovalainen: 1:22.6. It was set on supersoft, but even on that it is prettey nice lap time and suggest there would be much more to come from RB and McLaren. But these re pure suggestions.
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Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:44
Much more to come from Ferrari too? No? Okay