Not sure where i read that MS didn't like the shorter wheelbase car.You must have some real inside information then. Unlike us.
Anyone hear of this before?
I'm not proud if proven wrong.
Posted 19 January 2012 - 01:20
Not sure where i read that MS didn't like the shorter wheelbase car.You must have some real inside information then. Unlike us.
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Posted 19 January 2012 - 01:44
Posted 19 January 2012 - 07:58
Last year car has shortest wheelbase and it was said that the car was made for MS too? So, I don't think there is any connection with MS desire and wheelbase length. I am just worried if they go for very long car this year and all others go for shorter ones(especially if I see short RB8). Some say that without blown diffuser they don't need long car. I just hope the team will nail it this time.Not sure where i read that MS didn't like the shorter wheelbase car.
Anyone hear of this before?
I'm not proud if proven wrong.
Edited by ivand911, 19 January 2012 - 08:02.
Posted 19 January 2012 - 08:19
Posted 19 January 2012 - 09:16
A number of drivers chose to save tyres through 2012 qualifying and it paid off for MS on a number of races.
Posted 19 January 2012 - 09:26
Tell that to Button who has never given a **** until he is in a winning position.
Posted 19 January 2012 - 09:27
Do you have any proof that your "version" is right? If not ,then you are speculating like me. I can say that I will be sure in something if I was there and know what is happening and if I see how it is happening. As you were not there too, it is you word against mine and your word is not better than mine. So, you know what to do?It's not about saving tyres by not going out in Q3. ivan suggested a lot of times that Schumi is slow in quali on purpose or that Nico is driving with quali set-up, which is silly excuse. Examples - saved tyres by not pushing too hard in quali, different set-up, driving slow is his strategy, again not pushing too hard, different set-up for different target times in quali (god, I laughed so hard at that one ). What happened in real world? Nico destroyed teammate in quali by 1 second and destroyed him in the race by 4-5 tenths per lap. Had ivan admitted he was wrong? Nope. And as you see he still thinks he is right...
Edited by ivand911, 19 January 2012 - 11:14.
Posted 19 January 2012 - 09:47
MS enormous ego
Posted 19 January 2012 - 11:12
Schumi is superstitious, he asks numbers, Nico doesn't mind so lets him have it
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Posted 19 January 2012 - 11:20
Posted 19 January 2012 - 11:26
Bit confused about the intro. Getting lots of praise and now called 'stupid'. I don't see it as at all unbiased - it's outrageously pro-Schumacher - but it's waaaaaaaaaaay better than some we've had in the past which amount to "'X' v 'Y'. Discuss"
Posted 19 January 2012 - 12:05
Edited by Sakae, 19 January 2012 - 12:09.
Posted 19 January 2012 - 14:29
Bit confused about the intro. Getting lots of praise and now called 'stupid'. I don't see it as at all unbiased - it's outrageously pro-Schumacher - but it's waaaaaaaaaaay better than some we've had in the past which amount to "'X' v 'Y'. Discuss"
I really don't know what to predict for this pairing in 2012. If performance follows a line then by rights Schumacher should just beat Rosberg but that assumes the car stays where it is and the natural finishing positions are 7/8, i.e. behind the 2011 top three.
Laughing at the idea that Schumie needs a good car in order to perform better than his teammate because I see no evidence for that in the past at all. Of course he does need a better car in order to win, but that's not the same at all - one of Schumies great strengths (as it is for all great champions) is that he never gives up and always does his very best. If he's not giving his best then the seat needs to be handed over to someone who will.
I'll predict a close finish again for 2012, but I'd really like to see them both on the podium occasionally, if not regularly.
Posted 19 January 2012 - 15:25
Exactly going where this stupid thread with it's stupid intro was always going to go...
Ok, I'll play, please qualify your statement that MS has an ego beyond any typical F1 driver or to stay true to the thread, any greater than Rosberg's ....
I laughed at the MS digging by Rosberg and DC in this clip FWIW ..
http://v.youku.com/v...g5MDU4OTMy.html
Posted 19 January 2012 - 15:38
If he was trying to run him in the wall he would have done so. He squeezed a bit hard but don't get too dramatic about it. Even woobens got over it.What about the Rubens conflict? Trying to run him into a wall. For what? His own pride.
Posted 19 January 2012 - 15:45
Look, i'm not here to argue with every Schumacher fanboy. You have your opinion and i have mine. Just don't go through life with blinders on.If he was trying to run him in the wall he would have done so. He squeezed a bit hard but don't get too dramatic about it. Even woobens got over it.
it was just a mistake for hard racing because that's what he does -> he races hard to the limit, sometimes a bit over it.
guess what, we all make mistakes
if you haven't understood this about michael's career then....I don't know what we are talking about here.
..also, he came back to race because he loves doing it. He also got the preferred number because he can do it. He's Michael
Posted 19 January 2012 - 15:51
Posted 19 January 2012 - 15:56
@Szoelloe
Schumacher's performance was way behind Rosberg in 2010 and about the same (but different) in 2011. A reasonable continuation of that suggests Schumie will beat Rosberg.
The points differential between 7 and 8 is not the same as between 1 and 2 or 2 and 3. I'm saying that if it's the fourth best car then I'd expect Schumie to beat Rosberg by about the same points difference. If the car is further up or further down then the points difference changes so the scores will be quite different even if the performances are not.
Posted 19 January 2012 - 16:08
No need to answer me but: Trying to out do Senna?? I am sure he don't care about Senna(why he have to?). And he out do Senna long time ago , maybe around year 2001-2002. Now Senna is Fangio, Prost away from him. Very far in three times WDC bunch. And we all know why Senna is so famous. But not really.
Why would a 7x wdc come back after a 3 year retirement? And don't say money because he has more cash than god!
Then the whole car number thing. Sure his reputation as a mulitple champ gives him deserved clout, but he finished BEHIND Rosberg. Really it's between them. If Nico's ok with taking a lower number then good on him for being a bigger man.
What about the Rubens conflict? Trying to run him into a wall. For what? His own pride.
If you're a MS fan, then fine. I respect that. I'm not. A true champion doesn't try to kill another driver just to save face.
You're correct F1 drivers have egos. They have to, that's why they're at where they're at.
Schumacher is stuck on statistics. Trying to out do Senna. Which in my mind he could win 1000 races and NEVER BE AS GOOD AS SENNA.
MS has show time and time again that he'll do anything to win. I think he's crossed the line between an elite, all time great and an ego driver one.
Just one fans opinion from watching him the last 20 years.
Edited by ivand911, 19 January 2012 - 16:10.
Posted 19 January 2012 - 16:15
Well spoken. Well said. See my reply in post #66No need to answer me but: Trying to out do Senna?? I am sure he don't care about Senna(why he have to?). And he out do Senna long time ago , maybe around year 2001-2002. Now Senna is Fangio, Prost away from him. Very far in three times WDC bunch. And we all know why Senna is so famous. But not really.
Posted 19 January 2012 - 16:33
Posted 19 January 2012 - 16:41
greatLook, i'm not here to argue with every Schumacher fanboy. You have your opinion and i have mine. Just don't go through life with blinders on.
Posted 19 January 2012 - 17:19
Exactly going where this stupid thread with it's stupid intro was always going to go...
Ok, I'll play, please qualify your statement that MS has an ego beyond any typical F1 driver or to stay true to the thread, any greater than Rosberg's ....
Posted 19 January 2012 - 22:08
My eyes are wide open concerning MS, my friend!great
you can take the same advice
Posted 19 January 2012 - 22:23
He drove into Hill?I'll bite this one time.
I know you know a lot about F1 so I don't understand that comment. You know the controversies so I really don't need to mention them all. But he has been involved in so many so many times from driving into Hill in 94 and onwards until Rascasse in 06 that to say that his ego is beyond a typical F1 driver is justified.
Posted 19 January 2012 - 22:42
Posted 20 January 2012 - 16:14
I am not sure who is actually wearing blinders; fanboys (your term), or his detractors. Just because of different perceptions that we voice in here, that doesn't follow there is clarity who is closer to the truth.Look, i'm not here to argue with every Schumacher fanboy. You have your opinion and i have mine. Just don't go through life with blinders on.
Posted 22 February 2012 - 11:57
Let's start with Mercedes then. Nico Rosberg is one of the few drivers on the grid with a long-term contract safely deposited in the bank. Just how good is he?
MH: It's only a subjective feeling but I consider Nico to be good but not great. I think he is a 'par player', if you like. Deliver a winning car and he will deliver wins, but I don't see him transcending a car in the way that, for instance, Robert [Kubica] did for Renault - put Robert on a drivers' track like Monaco and suddenly he is on the front row with a mid-grid car. Nico could never do something like that. If a car's rightful place is seventh on the grid, he will put it seventh on the grid.
Mercedes have hailed him as a future World Champion though...
MH: Give him a winning car and he will win races and if they give him the fastest car he will have no problem winning a world title. There have been plenty to have won world titles in the past that way. But that's not the same thing as being a great driver because great drivers win races they have no right winning. Fernando [Alonso] can do that, Lewis [Hamilton] can do that, Jenson [Button] can do it in certain circumstances, Michael [Schumacher] used to do it regularly first time around, and [Sebastian] Vettel is good enough, I'm sure, to do that - as he showed at Monza 2008 - but he hasn't needed to subsequently. But with Nico, I've never seen any sign that he is capable of making that sort of difference to a car.
Even though he impressed in 2010?
MH: I think that being compared against a struggling Michael flattered the perception he received.
Will this be Michael's final year in F1 then?
MH: You would think so. Consider it from this perspective: if Mercedes can provide a car that is, say, as competitive as the McLaren was last season then having a guy who is consistently three or fourth tenths off the mark in qualifying is going to be a major problem - and very problematic for both parties.
Whereas it usually made no difference last season that Michael qualified so far away, in terms of lap time, behind Nico because Mercedes were in a midfield void all of their own?
MH: Exactly. Last season Mercedes existed in a vacuum where it didn't really matter how their drivers' qualifying lap times compared. They were 'always' seventh or eighth whereas if they were at the front then those three or fourth tenths would have been very costly every time.
What have you made of Michael on his return?
MH: I've seen no sign that he has been able to find what he had before. I used to marvel at how he would come out on track 'cold', long after everybody else had been going round for lap after lap, and be on the mark immediately - and not just on the pace but with the car sitting, straight away, on a knife-edge, where just one more input would have put it in the barriers. All you could say was 'Wow'. But since he has come back, I've just not seen that; he just looks like any other driver.
Although he hasn't lost any of his competitive spirit...
MH: He's still ballsy, he will still brake as late as he always did. The difference, though, is that now he has to deal with the consequences whereas before it was almost as if he could feel where the car was going to be.
But you have to admire his evident love of the sport and love of racing?
MH: I think he now has an appreciation of how finite a driver's career is and he is out to enjoy these bonus years. But if and when the pressure comes because Mercedes are delivering a potentially-race-winning car and he's not doing the job then it's not going to be so nice for him.
http://www1.skysport...Mark-Hughes-Q-A
Posted 22 February 2012 - 12:23
It's funny you are for once grabbing a valid source to push your opinion down someone's neck simply because he is one of the few standing on the same side you are on. It's funny too that Mark Hughes exactly knows what is going on, his story is so incredibly detailed. Not. For now I haven't seen the pros thoughts on the different EBD settings last season. But once again you are showing you're willing to ignore everything else just to make a point. Classic mastahVery good interview with Mark Hughes, who is rightly considered to be one of the most authoritative voices in F1:
This is EXACTLY my opinion, which I presented here so many times. That's why it's bad for Schumi when he's getting beaten by "only" good driver, as he would be massacred by top driver like Fernando.
Again he's right on the money. It's alost like he read my posts before giving interview .
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Posted 22 February 2012 - 16:22
The bit in bold is completely subjective because Schumacher didn't 'match' at all. He lost out overall in both qualifying and race position. If you view their performances on a subjective level, I would tend to agree that they were about the same last year but none of the numbers bear that out which means there's loads of room for interpretation and contrary opinion. It also can only inform what we think will happen this year. No real need for the name callingWait, so Rosberg can win races and win the championship in a race winning car but Schumacher, who's matched him, can't win races and win the championship in a race winning car. Shit logic created by a twat.
Posted 22 February 2012 - 17:46
Edited by SeanValen, 22 February 2012 - 17:51.
Posted 22 February 2012 - 20:44
Hmm well that's a bit of a reach there.. sure if you are a 'the numbers are the only thing that counts' guy then go for it, but in truth only the vagaries of fortune put Nico ahead on race finishes last year, which given the gap in qualifying means that Michael more than 'matched' him in races does it not?The bit in bold is completely subjective because Schumacher didn't 'match' at all. He lost out overall in both qualifying and race position.
Posted 22 February 2012 - 21:41
Very good interview with Mark Hughes, who is rightly considered to be one of the most authoritative voices in F1:
This is EXACTLY my opinion, which I presented here so many times. That's why it's bad for Schumi when he's getting beaten by "only" good driver, as he would be massacred by top driver like Fernando.
Again he's right on the money. It's alost like he read my posts before giving interview .
What have you made of Michael on his return?
MH: I've seen no sign that he has been able to find what he had before. I used to marvel at how he would come out on track 'cold', long after everybody else had been going round for lap after lap, and be on the mark immediately - and not just on the pace but with the car sitting, straight away, on a knife-edge, where just one more input would have put it in the barriers. All you could say was 'Wow'. But since he has come back, I've just not seen that; he just looks like any other driver.
Although he hasn't lost any of his competitive spirit...
MH: He's still ballsy, he will still brake as late as he always did. The difference, though, is that now he has to deal with the consequences whereas before it was almost as if he could feel where the car was going to be.
Posted 23 February 2012 - 15:40
Mastah, this have always have been exactly my opinion on the matter too. I fully agree with everything Mark Hughes said in the quotes you brought.
Posted 23 February 2012 - 16:35
Posted 23 February 2012 - 19:39
I don't think it's a reach. Nico WAS ahead on race position, regardless of the difficult circumstances and a number of those were down to Schumacher anyway because of his qualifying performance.Hmm well that's a bit of a reach there.. sure if you are a 'the numbers are the only thing that counts' guy then go for it, but in truth only the vagaries of fortune put Nico ahead on race finishes last year, which given the gap in qualifying means that Michael more than 'matched' him in races does it not?
Posted 23 February 2012 - 19:53
I don't think it's a reach. Nico WAS ahead on race position, regardless of the difficult circumstances and a number of those were down to Schumacher anyway because of his qualifying performance.
You think that Schumacher 'more than matched', DutchCruijff and I think he 'matched' while Hughes and Mastah think he didn't quite. If you ignore the points, which I have consistently done when looking at the last couple of years, then there's loads of room for subjectivity in there and none of these differing views are outrageously wrong, ****, or born of a ***** mind.
Looking ahead to 2012, you'd have to say that if Schumie can start at or around the same place as Rosberg then he's got a far better chance of beating him on points or to the title of the car is capable because his race performance was good last year. If he can't qualify well, and has to fight his way through, then some of those fights will end badly and we can all have a bun fight about whose fault it was. I already know the results of that poll
Posted 04 March 2012 - 16:20
Edited by Jejking, 04 March 2012 - 16:21.
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Posted 04 March 2012 - 16:29
Yes, all were with soft tyres.Rosberg day one: 1.23.9. Schumacher day two: 1.23.9. Rosberg day three: 1.22.9. Schumacher: 1.22.9. What does this tell us, NR = MSC, or track conditions improve so NR > MSC slightly? I'm wondering if these times are comparable at all. Gonna look up some data.
Day 1: 6 lap stint, one fast lap (-).
Day 2: 9 lap stint, 3.8s dropoff.
Day 3: 14 lap stint, one very fast lap to start with and 4.5s dropoff. (7 laps was 3s dropoff)
Day 4: 7 lap stint, same and 2.8s dropoff.
Anybody know compounds?
Posted 04 March 2012 - 17:05
we can all have a bun fight about whose fault it was. I already know the results of that poll
Posted 04 March 2012 - 18:25
Thanks for the info.Yes, all were with soft tyres.
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Posted 05 March 2012 - 18:56
http://forums.autosp...a...t&p=5567789;)Surprised no ones mentioned the fastest times from testing for both are much the same, sure it's a thin thread to base any judgements on but if Nico had of been faster I'm sure someone would have mentioned it ...