Ferrari and Merc were the only top teams to do low fuel
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I wouldnt be shocked if Merc > Ferrari but still over 0,5s off the pace
Ferrari and Merc were the only top teams to do low fuel
Edited by femi, 03 March 2013 - 19:10.
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There were lots of surprises last year.I am not expecting that to be the case though. I do not think the mid-field teams are going to be better at tyre management than the top teams. The surprise will be a Merc 1,2...
Posted 03 March 2013 - 19:14
I wouldnt be shocked if Merc > Ferrari but still over 0,5s off the pace
Ferrari and Merc were the only top teams to do low fuel
Edited by KnucklesAgain, 03 March 2013 - 19:16.
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People underestimated McLaren in 2011 after tests, and they were practically the only team which could occasionally challenge Red Bull.
Similarly, Ferrari was the laughing stock in 2012 (after tests), in the end it was Alonso/Ferrari who almost got the last laugh.
It would be unwise to rule out Mercedes (or Lotus and Ferrari for that matter) at this point.
Edited by ApexMouse, 03 March 2013 - 19:21.
Posted 03 March 2013 - 19:28
Ham vs Alo part deux. Would be very interesting, but yea unexpected to say the least.if merc & Ferrari head the grid, there will be some red faced journos. That will be the biggest shock yet
Posted 03 March 2013 - 19:33
Ham vs Alo part deux. Would be very interesting, but yea unexpected to say the least.
Posted 03 March 2013 - 19:34
People underestimated McLaren in 2011 after tests, and they were practically the only team which could occasionally challenge Red Bull.
Similarly, Ferrari was the laughing stock in 2012 (after tests), in the end it was Alonso/Ferrari who almost got the last laugh.
It would be unwise to rule out Mercedes (or Lotus and Ferrari for that matter) at this point.
Posted 03 March 2013 - 19:36
Posted 03 March 2013 - 19:37
There were lots of surprises last year.
Just in Australia alone:
- Button dominates first race of the year.
- A Lotus qualifying in 3rd place.
- Red Bull 7 tenths off Mclaren in 5th and 6th.
- Maldonado looking strong fighting for 5th in the race.
- Mercedes quick in quali, then awful on Sunday.
Most race weekends, especially in the first 2/3's of the season, all had their share of surprises, much of it due to the nature of the Pirelli's.
Pat Fry is right to expect more of the same. We can all wittle things down to saying the top teams will be the ones occupying all the top spots, but I wouldn't go taking the 'midfield' teams for granted.
Posted 03 March 2013 - 19:55
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 20:22
Well , according to Andrew Benson Red Bull might be sitting in a very significant advantage and come Melbourne they will blitz the whole field , he think that Vettel and his car was capable of producing a low 1min 19 sec lap time in Barcelona
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People underestimated McLaren in 2011 after tests, and they were practically the only team which could occasionally challenge Red Bull.
Similarly, Ferrari was the laughing stock in 2012 (after tests), in the end it was Alonso/Ferrari who almost got the last laugh.
It would be unwise to rule out Mercedes (or Lotus and Ferrari for that matter) at this point.
Posted 03 March 2013 - 21:00
No, they were sandbagging like fook just as they always do in testing. I think Vettel will win the first race, but that is due to their slyness in testing, Vettel managed 2nd place last year and that was with a car widely renowned in his opinion of being not up to the challenge. Now you have him saying he's happy but obviously holding back from his real opinion.Red Bull certainly weren't pushing as hard as the others (particularly Mercedes) based on my observations over the last three days. Ferrari and McLaren were at times, and Lotus seemed to be going quite hard, but that might more be Grosjean's erratic style when he was in the car haha
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Red Bull certainly weren't pushing as hard as the others (particularly Mercedes) based on my observations over the last three days. Ferrari and McLaren were at times, and Lotus seemed to be going quite hard, but that might more be Grosjean's erratic style when he was in the car haha
Posted 03 March 2013 - 21:10
Yeah of course, but on the odd occasion they did go for it the car looked very good of course, but they didn't do it over a whole lap as you can see from the times.Which makes sense considering their fastest time is a low 1:22..., 2 seconds off the best times.
Posted 03 March 2013 - 21:29
Well , according to Andrew Benson Red Bull might be sitting in a very significant advantage and come Melbourne they will blitz the whole field , he think that Vettel and his car was capable of producing a low 1min 19 sec lap time in Barcelona
Posted 03 March 2013 - 21:39
ACcording to him last year red bull would dominate in 2012 in australia hahahah.
IM REALLY ANGRY ABOUT MCLAREN LAST YEAR THEY WERE 0,5Sec faster than red bull and still decided to make a new car, well done...
Posted 03 March 2013 - 21:42
Better to wait until race 5 or 6 before being angry. If they were 0.5 seconds and now have a good base to further improve they could be the shock Ferrari was speaking of a few posts above.ACcording to him last year red bull would dominate in 2012 in australia hahahah.
IM REALLY ANGRY ABOUT MCLAREN LAST YEAR THEY WERE 0,5Sec faster than red bull and still decided to make a new car, well done...
Posted 03 March 2013 - 21:43
Ah yes that old pole and race winner piece of crap..If Merc have turned it around I'd love to know what exactly changed to transform a heap of junk into a title winning car.
its been mainly a damn embarrassment to us fans over the past 3 years.
Posted 03 March 2013 - 21:45
Why do fans still believe that they can conclude anything significant through winter testing?
Mercedes 2012
Ferrari 2011
BMW 2009
Renault 2007
Honda 2006
Teams that were all suppose to be championship contenders after testing month was over, but became a laughing stock as the season evolved.
Posted 03 March 2013 - 21:47
Posted 03 March 2013 - 21:47
Well , according to Andrew Benson Red Bull might be sitting in a very significant advantage and come Melbourne they will blitz the whole field , he think that Vettel and his car was capable of producing a low 1min 19 sec lap time in Barcelona
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 21:59
Yep, he looks quite handsome with that few days beard, but these hairs hmm He would look way better with a bit more classic ones.thanks he shaved tho didn't he? In the last video I saw he was shaved, and.. he looks so much better when he is shaved.... so thats good the hairstyle is okay...
*adds a little feminine touch to the topic, by discussing drivers appearance*
Posted 03 March 2013 - 22:02
I dunno about that as well. What's the point of these experiments? They could change a bit car (especially fix that insanely low reliability) and could fight for WDC, but well NOPE, gonna do totally new car!ACcording to him last year red bull would dominate in 2012 in australia hahahah.
IM REALLY ANGRY ABOUT MCLAREN LAST YEAR THEY WERE 0,5Sec faster than red bull and still decided to make a new car, well done...
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 22:04
Well , according to Andrew Benson Red Bull might be sitting in a very significant advantage and come Melbourne they will blitz the whole field , he think that Vettel and his car was capable of producing a low 1min 19 sec lap time in Barcelona
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 22:09
Autosport coming up with a similar calculation but they also have merc at a low 1min 19sec and then adjusted their assumption on the fuel merc was carrying, seemingly just to make it slower than the red bull.
If we take Red Bull's best time from the two Barcelona tests – which was Vettel’'s 1m22.197s last month – take off 0.7 seconds for the track improvement that happened this week, and deduct 2.45s to fuel correct it down to empty and you are left with a probable potential of 1m19.047s.
If Rosberg was running 30kg of fuel today (as could be expected), then that leaves a theoretical best of 1m19.08s. However, if the W04 was running on even less fuel, its potential best would start heading towards the mid-1m19s.
Posted 03 March 2013 - 22:18
Yep, he looks quite handsome with that few days beard, but these hairs hmm He would look way better with a bit more classic ones.
Posted 03 March 2013 - 22:26
he looks cute instead of handsome if he is fully shaved. a real man has a real beard. And i'm heterosexual (just saying)disagree he should go back to his longer hair and fully shaved.... that suited him best ;).... but he looks good now ....
sooo what shall we do all the time till Melbourne? I can't wait for it.... ^_^....
I'm not sure how much these tests say about the cars... but I'll be cheering for 3 teams in this order 1. Sauber 2. Red Bull 3. Force India
Posted 03 March 2013 - 22:30
Posted 03 March 2013 - 22:46
he looks cute instead of handsome if he is fully shaved. a real man has a real beard. And i'm heterosexual (just saying)
about order. well Sauber might be best of the rest, RBR will be probably best, Force India will be probably worst (not including Marussia and Caterham). Their race pace looked horrible and their car looks almost like old one
Posted 03 March 2013 - 22:56
I like the guess work, how the know what fuel redbull or even merc had
Posted 03 March 2013 - 23:09
I like the guess work, how the know what fuel redbull or even merc had
Posted 04 March 2013 - 00:04
That's a lot of "IFs," but they need to sell subscriptions. It's not like they can just say "We'll all find out the truth of who's quickest in 2 weeks." That REALLY is the truth, but then how could they justify their expert analysts and scribes if they didn't pretend to "know" and "see" more than we can.Autosport coming up with a similar calculation but they also have merc at a low 1min 19sec and then adjusted their assumption on the fuel merc was carrying, seemingly just to make it slower than the red bull.
If we take Red Bull's best time from the two Barcelona tests – which was Vettel’'s 1m22.197s last month – take off 0.7 seconds for the track improvement that happened this week, and deduct 2.45s to fuel correct it down to empty and you are left with a probable potential of 1m19.047s.
If Rosberg was running 30kg of fuel today (as could be expected), then that leaves a theoretical best of 1m19.08s. However, if the W04 was running on even less fuel, its potential best would start heading towards the mid-1m19s.
Edited by PoleMan, 04 March 2013 - 00:05.
Posted 04 March 2013 - 00:15
Well, I might be wrong but I think anybody who's making speculations about 1m19.0 laps in a situation where cars are merely evolutions of last year's cars and supersofts don't seem to work may well be making a fool of himself.Autosport coming up with a similar calculation but they also have merc at a low 1min 19sec and then adjusted their assumption on the fuel merc was carrying, seemingly just to make it slower than the red bull.
If we take Red Bull's best time from the two Barcelona tests – which was Vettel’'s 1m22.197s last month – take off 0.7 seconds for the track improvement that happened this week, and deduct 2.45s to fuel correct it down to empty and you are left with a probable potential of 1m19.047s.
If Rosberg was running 30kg of fuel today (as could be expected), then that leaves a theoretical best of 1m19.08s. However, if the W04 was running on even less fuel, its potential best would start heading towards the mid-1m19s.
Posted 04 March 2013 - 00:26
Someone has to stop this exhaust drama, tWell, I might be wrong but I think anybody who's making speculations about 1m19.0 laps in a situation where cars are merely evolutions of last year's cars and supersofts don't seem to work may well be making a fool of himself.