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[Rob G]

Along the same lines as the other paint scheme posts, that have appeared recently, I'm curious about paint schemes in the "national colors" days that did not strictly follow the rules. As I understand it, the cars were supposed to be painted in the colors of the nation of the entrant. Some of the best-known have been documented, most notably Rob Walker's, but what about others?

Some that I can think of off the top of my head:
1. The BRP Maserati owned by Alfred Moss was painted light grey with a white hood (bonnet) in the 1955 British GP
2 . The Centro-Sud Maserati 250F's ran in a wide variety of colors throughout the late 50s, even though it was an Italian entrant
3. I believe Horace Gould and Bruce Halford sometimes ran red Maseratis even though they were entered by their British drivers.
4. In the 1961 US GP, Roger Penske drove a red Cooper, and Lloyd Ruby drove a metallic gold (?) Lotus.
5. Jo Bonnier's own cars throughout his career as a private entrant were fielded in different colors.

I'm curious about further details about the list above, as well as any others that anyone can think of. The GPs of Argentina, South Africa, and the United States seem to have the most abnormal color schemes, so I'm especially curious about those.

Thank you!

[David McKinney]

It seems to me that race organisers interpreted the rule differently - some required the car to be painted in the colours of its country of origin, others of its entrant, others still of its driver. Centro-Sud colours in the 250F days seemed to come under the last heading (blue and white for Gregory and Shelby, white for Herrmann, silver for Seidel - just to be different - and so on). But there were frequent departures, and I think the Cooper-Maseratis they ran in 1959 and 1960 were always red.
The Moss Maserati you refer to was never owned by Alfred Moss or entered by BRP, which was not founded till three years later. The car was Stirling's personal property, and enrtered by him (or probably by Stirling Moss Ltd) for other drivers in 1955. I don't know why it had those colours, though a saving grace no doubt was the stylised British flag it sometimes wore on its nose.

[Rob29]

Colours were hardly ever enforced by organizers and never by FIA. The only case I can recall was in the fifties,at LeMans when a British driver arrived with a shiny polished alununuum(silver)Lotus and was ordered by the scrutineers to paint it green.
BTW; In an old list I have colours listed for Latvia,Lithuania and Estonia.Does anyone know if any car ever ran in these colours? Wouldhave been pre-WW2.

[Barry Boor]

The matter of Stirling Moss' 250F links to a question I posed on the Moss thread.

I am currently producing this particular Maserati for a slot-car series and I have been trying to pin down a colour. No-one came back on this question but Rob has partially answered it for me.

However, I was looking at my Champions video on Stirling yesterday and the 1954 British Grand Prix is filmed in colour. There are several shots of Stirling and I came away convinced that the car was a pale green! Rob G, I do not doubt what you say, but where does your grey and white information come from?

Incidentally, I found a colour picture of Macklin trying to qualify the car at Monaco in 1955 and it was dark green by then, with a white band on the nose.

[Roger Clark]

moss' Maserati must have been repainted several times while he owned it. I'm fairly sure it started off in the light green (British Vomit Green) that was his favourite shade for all the cars of his own teams. It was painted red for part of 1954 when he was co-opted into the works team. Motor sport said of the 1955 British GP: "In spite of international regulations, the Macklin Maserati was painted grey with a sickly green bonnet top." I have a black and white picture which shows it also had a dark pattern around the nose. The same pattern was visible when Hawthorn drove it at Crystal Palace in late July that year.

Incidentally, who knew that Rudolph Uhlenhaut tried Moss' Maserati during practice at monaco?

[McSlick]

I like the story of the White Mercedes cars that came to a race and where found a couple of kilos to heavy,so they scraped all the paint off and so came the famous silver arrow

[Roger Clark]

I think I was wrong to say that Moss' Maserati was light green during early 1954. I believe I've seen it in A Gentleman's Motor Racing diary and it's dark green at Silverstone that year. but Moss loaned it to the works team at Reims (red, presumably), it was green again for Silverstone, and then it was painted red again when he joined the works team at the Gggerman GP.

[Barry Boor]

Roger, I'm not sure you were wrong about that light green.

We still await details from Rob about the grey. Anyway, here is the picture from Andy Hall's Maserati book showing Macklin at Monaco in '55.


Strange that having been dark green in May, it should have gone back to grey again in July. Definitely a reason for watching my Grand Prix Trio video again.

[Rob G]

Rob G, I do not doubt what you say, but where does your grey and white information come from?

Barry, I've seen it in two places. The first was a book of color illustrations (not photos) produced by Rand McNally (I believe it was them, but I'm not positive). I saw the grey and white colors in there, but didn't believe it, since some books with color drawings are created by illustrators who abuse their creative license at the expense of accuracy. However, about two months ago on Speedvision's Legends of Motorsport I saw a 30 minute film documenting the 1955 British GP. It was filmed entirely in color, and at one point it clearly shows its driver, Lance Macklin, struggling to get going again after spinning off the road.

I wish I knew what happened to that book. It was in a library in Cleveland, but I haven't seen it in years. From what I remember, the illustration showed a large Union Jack on the car, but I couldn't see it in the film.

[MattFoster]

What a fascinating thread.

[Gil Bouffard]

From "Behind the Scenes of Motor Racing by Ken Gregory, Stirling Moss' Manager (1960, MACGIBBON & KEE)

"When he (Stirling Moss) arrived at Southampton he was met by a flood of reporters, for I had by then issued a detailed announcement that Stirling Moss was to drive an Italian Maserati for the 1954 season. When the ship docked, Stirling was besieged by pressmen, all out for the inside story for their papers. 'What do you think of the Maserati?, 'What is it like to drive the car?' 'How did it all happen?' and so on. I am afraid Stirling had to give some very evasive answers.

Only when he got to London did he get the news in all its details. He was very anxious to know what colour I had specified, and what the pedal positions would be. I was able to satisfy him on both these points. When drawing up the contract with Orsi, it had been agreed that the car would be painted in Moss's particular shade of green, which we ourselves would supply; also that it would have a red band around the nose to signify that it was an Italian-built car. As to the pedals, I had insisted that the accelerator pedal be positioned on the right, and not central, as is the normal Italian practice.

This business of pedal position is something about which Stirling has strong opinions. On British cars of all types, almost without exception, the placing of the three control pedals is consistent: the accelerator is on the right, next to it comes the brake, and on the left is the clutch pedal.

On their Grand Prix and competition sports cars, however, the Italians have constantly favoured a central position for the accelerator, with the clutch to its left, and the brake to the right, the idea being chiefly to facilitate 'heeling and toeing'. Years of practice with a right-hand accelerator makes most British drivers prefer their own position, however, and the confusion arising when they transfer to a car with the 'Italian' pedal positions can sometimes lead to disaster.

Stirling once tried a car with central accelerator-a Ferrari and automatically pressed the accelerator instead of the footbrake when approaching a corner, nearly meeting disaster. The habits of years are not easily overcome, and although other drivers have adapted themselves to a central throttle, Stirling never could.

So the major problem of finding a mount for the 1954 season was settled at last, and we now had merely to wait patiently until Maseratis could get down to assembly of the car."

The Moss' Maserati also appears in the Kirk Bouglas movie "The Racers," (AKA: Such Men are Dangerous). The green Maserati #22 appears in the racing sequences from the Spa event of 1954. the green color is like a grass green rather than the BRM, Jaguar, British Racing Green. It looks dark in the half light of the Paddock.

For Barry Boor. I would say that the Maserati's green was more like the Aston Martin DB-3S.

I do remember reading an account by Moss of why the Maserati was painted grey.. Can't find it..Will continue looking.

Gil

[Milan Fistonic]

The Moss Maserati was definitely grey when he raced it in New Zealand in 1956 and it was still grey when Ross Jensen bought the car in 1957.

[Don Capps]

I have a photo of the 2508 in the pearl-gray & white scheme with the red/white/blue trim. It is from the DSJ book published in the early 1970's. The various color schemes of 2508 are just a reflection of the various efforts by Gregory & Moss (Pa & Stirling) to keep the car gainfully employed -- plus the rather 'relaxed' approach to consistency in Those Days.

[Barry Boor]

So if I may, I would like to summarise what we know so far....

Early 1954, the Maserati seems to have been grey; it was then painted green (light?) for a short time, before the factory took it over and it was changed to red.

Then at Monaco in May 1955 it was certainly dark green, (see illustration above) and with the Le Mans disaster, there were only 2 races between Monaco and Aintree. The car seems not to have gone to Spa, but was it driven at Zandvoort by Peter Walker? Anyhow, it was certainly back in Macklin's hands at Aintree and as stated it was definitely grey again; with a black and white nose band. (There is a brief glimpse of the car on the Grand Prix Trio video.)

I wonder if this ranks as one of the most resprayed cars ever?

[David McKinney]

Not quite BB...
1) Green from new, May 1954
2) red for French GP when loaned to factory for Villoresi
3) Green again thereafter
4) red when incorporated into works team (but with green noseband)
5) Back to green for early 1955 races
6) White noseband added for Monaco (possibly earlier)
6) Grey with red/white/blue nose from British GP
7) Rebodied at factory late 1955, in later style without louvres. Painted battleship grey, as it remained until Moss sold it (and, as Milan says, after)

The car's 1955 appearances were:
11/4 Goodwood - Moss
24/4 Bordeaux - Moss
7/5 Silverstone - Moss
22/5 Monaco - Mackliln (dns)
29/5 Albi - Macklin
5/6 Spa - Claes (dns)
19/6 Zandvoort - Walker
16/7 Silverstone - Macklin
30/7 Crystal Palace - Hawthorn
6/8 Charterhall - Gerard
13/8 Snetterton - Moss
3/9 Aintree - Moss
11/9 Monza - Fitch
24/9 Oulton Park - Leston (dns)
1/10 Castle Combe - Leston

[Barry Boor]

Excellent, David, thanks for that! However, one slight anomaly....

If it was red for Villoresi at Reims, my colour video of Silverstone, 2 weeks later, shows it to be what looks like grey again. How does that fit with what you know?

If it was Walker in Moss' car at Zandvoort, I have that race on video in colour. I shall watch it very carefully later.

[pancho]

Originally posted by David McKinney
It seems to me that race organisers interpreted the rule differently - some required the car to be painted in the colours of its country of origin, others of its entrant, others still of its driver. Centro-Sud colours in the 250F days seemed to come under the last heading (blue and white for Gregory and Shelby, white for Herrmann, silver for Seidel - just to be different - and so on). But there were frequent departures, and I think the Cooper-Maseratis they ran in 1959 and 1960 were always red.
The Moss Maserati you refer to was never owned by Alfred Moss or entered by BRP, which was not founded till three years later. The car was Stirling's personal property, and enrtered by him (or probably by Stirling Moss Ltd) for other drivers in 1955. I don't know why it had those colours, though a saving grace no doubt was the stylised British flag it sometimes wore on its nose.

The 1960 Yeoman Credit Lotuses appeared in Pale Green, certainly at the Belgian GP.

[Roger Clark]

At goodwood (11/4/55) and bordeaux (24/4/55) Moss' Maserati had a white band around the top part of the nose, not right around it as appears to be the case in Barry B's picture at monaco.I haven't got a very good picture of the car at Silverstone, but it looks as though there is no band at all.

I believe that in 1954 it was red at Reims, green at Siverstone and red again at the nurburgring.

[Rob G]

[QUOTE]The 1960 Yeoman Credit Lotuses appeared in Pale Green, certainly at the Belgian GP. [QUOTE]

Actually, Pancho, in 1959, BRP ran a pale green BRM (thanks for correcting me, David McKinney - I have to learn to check my facts better ). BRP received support from Yeoman Credit for the full 1960 season, when they ran Coopers (not Lotuses) in the same pale green, but with a generous swathe of red at the nose and along the top to the tail. They became the UDT-Laystall team for '61 and '62, when they fielded plain pale green Lotuses. The lost the UDT support (not allowed to call it "sponsorship", I guess ) at the end of '62, so they reverted to their British Racing Partnership name, fielding Lotuses as well as their own BRP chassis through the end of 1964.

[Don Capps]

Here is black & white of 2508 at Aintree:

http://www.motorraci...p55/55gbr42.htm

In 1963, the organizers of the German GP insisted that the cars be in the national colors of the entrants and asked Rob Walker about the color scheme of his car: "Why we are a Scot team," he replied and the dark blue & white were Scot racing colors. When that raised an eyebrow or two, he said that was it not true that Scotland fielded a team in World Cup qualifying? End of discussion and the Cooper raced in the Walker colors.

Although I might look in some askance at this story as a historian, it is so good that it should be true, even if it is not....

[pancho]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rob G
[QUOTE]The 1960 Yeoman Credit Lotuses appeared in Pale Green, certainly at the Belgian GP. [QUOTE]

Actually, Pancho, in 1959, BRP ran a pale green BRM (thanks for correcting me, David McKinney - I have to learn to check my facts better ). BRP received support from Yeoman Credit for the full 1960 season, when they ran Coopers (not Lotuses) in the same pale green, but with a generous swathe of red at the nose and along the top to the tail. They became the UDT-Laystall team for '61 and '62, when they fielded plain pale green Lotuses. The lost the UDT support (not allowed to call it "sponsorship", I guess ) at the end of '62, so they reverted to their British Racing Partnership name, fielding Lotuses as well as their own BRP chassis through the end of 1964. [/QUOTE]


Rob G,

Yes, you're right, of course. Coopers not lotus for BRP. Sorry about the faux pas (hand typing one thing, head thinking another!)

[Gil Bouffard]

Don.

I like the Rob Walker story. Don't forget David Murray ran his Ecurie Ecosse cars in those same colors.

Gil

[Don Capps]

I think that had a lot to do with Walker getting away with it!

[Rob G]

I like the Rob Walker story. Don't forget David Murray ran his Ecurie Ecosse cars in those same colors.

Ian Raby also painted his cars dark blue in the early sixties, and I believe he was English, not Scottish.

Phil Hill drove a dark blue works Ferrari in the 1959 USGP. I had known about their yellow ones at Spa during that era, but I didn't know about Hill's blue one until recently.

Also, Horace Gould's Maserati was in Bira's Siamese blue & yellow for the 1955 Dutch GP.

[Barry Boor]

I can fill in one gap in the life of the Moss Maser. When Peter Walker drove it at Zandvoort in '55 it was green, so the respray was between Holland and Aintree.

I never knew about the dark blue Ferrari at Sebring.

[Roger Clark]

Could these colour changeshave been connected with the company that was paying the bills?

For most of his career, one of Moss' principal sponsors was the BP oil company. For as long as I can remember, BP's corporate colours have been green and yellow. It's strange that two poeple as commercially aware as moss and Gregory didn't seize the opportunity to paint the car in their sponsors' colours and totaly within the rule too. The thought of a 250f in Team lotus colours is interesting, and puts an interesting twist on Esso's veto on the supply of a lotus 21 for Moss in 1961.

it's possible that BP's colours weren't green and yellow at that time. In Britain, at least, their marketing operations were combined with those of Shell. does anybody know what the conglomerate's colours were?

with regard to rob Walker's colours, I believe the first time his cooper appeared in international races with them was the 1958 Argentine Grand Prix. I haven't got a colour picture of his 1957 cars, but I beleive they were green. The soutth American organiser were much less concerned about regulation colours than their european counterparts. The next Grand Prix was monaco with Trintingnant driving. the organisers were not likely to object to a French driver in a blue car. By this time a precedent had been set (and two Grands Prix won)

[Barry Boor]

This is an interesting observation, Roger. I have seen only b/w photos from Buenos Aires 1958 but seeing the white band around the nose and the white circle on that band, I always assumed the car was blue.

Then again, I thought Rob's F2 car that Tony Brooks drove in '57 was blue too. Just shows how wrong you can be!

[David McKinney]

I'm not staking my life on this, but I think Rob Walker's single-seaters all tended to be dark blue with a white nose-band: perhaps not the ERA-Delage, but the A-Type Connaught, the B-Type Connaught, the T41 Cooper-Climax. Maybe the T43 Coopers were BRG in 1957, as RW ran them in a sort of partnership deal with the factory.
As far as the earlier cars (mentioned above) are concerned, I may be guilty of applying hindsight, as I suspect all the pictures of them I've seen are in black and white:)

[Rob29]

1957 is confusing as its difficult to distinguish between the works car(s) & a Walker one. At Monaco,Brabham seems to have practiced a blue Walker car,and raced a BRG works one.
Forward to 1962 and the UDT team shared cars with Walker.Apr 1 Brussels; Lotus 18 V8 was Walker dark blue.2 weeks later I saw it at Snetterton & it was pale green. 10 days after that of course it was destroyed at Goodwood.

[Roger Clark]

Originally posted by Don Capps
Here is black & white of 2508 at Aintree:

http://www.motorraci...p55/55gbr42.htm

In 1963, the organizers of the German GP insisted that the cars be in the national colors of the entrants and asked Rob Walker about the color scheme of his car: "Why we are a Scot team," he replied and the dark blue & white were Scot racing colors. When that raised an eyebrow or two, he said that was it not true that Scotland fielded a team in World Cup qualifying? End of discussion and the Cooper raced in the Walker colors.

Although I might look in some askance at this story as a historian, it is so good that it should be true, even if it is not....

I heard a slightly different version of this story. Rob Walker told the German official that his car was in Scotland's colours. "What will the FIA say about this?" "The same, I imagine as they would about a German car painted silver instead of white".

[Barry Boor]

As has been pointed out earlier on this thread, there was no real obligation on anyone's part to paint their cars in a particular colour. Maybe organisers did insist at one point but generally there was freedom of choice.

If we accept Rob Walker's argument vis-a-vis the Scottish colours, then may I respectfully put forward one of the first drivers to have his own very individual colour scheme that bore no resemblance to any national colours?

I give you - Jackie Lewis. In 1961 and 62 Jack raced a Cooper T53 painted black with a wide white section from cockpit to nose. Most emphatically NOT the Welsh colours; but can anyone throw any light on the reasons for this unusual livery?

[fines]

Maybe I'm wrong, but somehow I seem to recall that even Walker's Delage was blue with a white nose ring!?

Most emphatically NOT the Welsh colours

Barry, then what ARE the Welsh racing colours?

[Barry Boor]

Well they are sort of, reddish, with a bit of whitish, and maybe a hint of greenish but with a VERY large dragon somewhere on the car.

Seriously, like Scotland, Wales was never listed, but red would have been the predominant colour. Certainly not black and white!

Interestingly, my memory tells me that the Republic of Ireland was in the original colours list with green with orange bands or stripes. Now there's a surprise!

[fines]

While we have been on Rob Walker for a while, does anyone exactly know when he split with Team Surtees as a co-entrant? I have several sources listing him as co-entrant in 1973 for Hailwood only, not for Pace, Mass or de Adamich. Is that correct?

[Rob G]

may I respectfully put forward one of the first drivers to have his own very individual colour scheme that bore no resemblance to any national colours?

I give you - Jackie Lewis.

Would THE first driver with his own color scheme be "B. Bira"? As I understand it, Siam had no color scheme, so he came up with one on his own. Didn't it come from a particular article of clothing?

[Barry Boor]

I though Thailand did have stated colours of pale blue and yellow.

Maybe a case of what came first, the colours or the Prince.

[David McKinney]

The prince.
When Thailand joined the FIA it was given blue and yellow, the colours used by every single Thai driver in international racing at that time

[Rob29]

Re Jackie Lewis,I think you will find his colour was BRG & White not black.In 1962 he added a red stripe,making the Welsh colours.

[Gil Bouffard]

According to something I just read in the last few days, BRG can be light BRG, dark BRG and anything in between, just as long as it is GREEN!

Jack Lewis (not Jackie, please) drove that car that had been driven by Roy Salvadori and was BRG(D) and white. Calling Jack Lewis "Jackie," is like calling Richard Petty, "Dick." I was reading the article in Automobile Quarterly, on Harry Schell. In it I found references to "Ray Mays." All you Brits out there would probably blow a gasket over that one. Raymond Mays!

Gil

[David McKinney]

I'm sure Mr Lewis was called Jackie in period. Would have to check through my Autosport files to confirm though.

[Barry Boor]

Gentlemen, I stand corrected. However, Mr. Lewis must win the title of the darkest BRG ever seen!

Now I come to think of it, I recall some red being added.

Well, I did say the Welsh colours were greenish, whitish and reddish, didn't I?

[Rob29]

I'm sure your right David.There was another Lewis, J.D. who may also have been known as Jack. I remember sending J>R Lewis a fan letter and getting a reply-Fairly sure it was signed "Jackie"
In early 1962 I joined ther ORMA (BRM Supporters Club) to support the alledged Jack Lewis semi works Ecurie Galloise BRM-needless to say I did not renew my membership for '63!
Regarding British Racing Green; whilst all possible shades of green have been used,I believe there is an officially recognised (by paint maufacturers' association?) shade.

[Barry Boor]

Since we are on the subject of private entrants' liveries, may I throw in another variation? Bob Anderson ran at least three completely different liveries between 1963 and 1966.

IIRC when he came into F1, he was another with a car painted a VERY dark green. I seem to recall I thought that one was black, too. (I should add here that my eyesight has never been that good!). Then in 1964 he changed to a vivid bright green with a white stripe, and then finally, again IIRC, when he fitted a 2.7 litre engine for the 3 litre F1 regs, suddenly he went to a very pretty light blue with a silver stripe.

I don't suppose there is anyone around who knows why........

[Rob G]

Re Jackie Lewis,I think you will find his colour was BRG & White not black.In 1962 he added a red stripe,making the Welsh colours.

Tony Shelley drove a black Lotus in 1962. Its entrant was a John Dalton.

Regarding British Racing Green; whilst all possible shades of green have been used,I believe there is an officially recognised (by paint maufacturers' association?) shade.

I read once (unfortunately I don't remember where) that the "official" British Racing Green is Napier green, the color of the Napier driven by Selwyn Edge in the 1901 Gordon Bennett race.

IIRC when he came into F1, he was another with a car painted a VERY dark green. I seem to recall I thought that one was black, too. (I should add here that my eyesight has never been that good!). Then in 1964 he changed to a vivid bright green with a white stripe, and then finally, again IIRC, when he fitted a 2.7 litre engine for the 3 litre F1 regs, suddenly he went to a very pretty light blue with a silver stripe.

I've seen a color photo in Autocar magazine from early 1967 that shows Anderson in his light blue car. I thought he had suddenly become French!

Speaking of the mid-'60s, I've always wondered about the Chamaco-Collect/Bernard White BRM of 1966. When Bob Bondurant drove for the team at Monaco, the car was painted dark blue with a white stripe. At Belgium, because of the film "Grand Prix" and the withdrawal of the McLaren from the event, it was repainted white with a dark green stripe. It was also white and green at Monza, but in between (at least at the British GP) it was a dark color again (dark blue?). Then Innes Ireland drove the car in the two North American GPs. Was the car white then? Dark blue? Green?

And while we're still on the subject of the sixties, does anyone have any details on the car colors of the local drivers who participated in the South African GP during that time? That information seems to be particulary difficult to find. Perhaps one of our South African friends can shed some light on this?

[Milan Fistonic]

I have just come across this reference to the colour of the Moss 250F in the book Alf Francis - Racing Mechanic. He was describing what happened when he went to Modena to collect the car which was not ready.

...I had already found that it was easy to offend the Maserati people when I told them we would supply the paint for the car.

"We have any colour you want," they said. "Our paints are very good, you know."

I knew they would feel happier if they used their own paint and that is why the Maserati raced in that rather peculiar, sickly shade of Adriatic sea green.

[Bayou Bengal]

Originally posted by Rob G


Phil Hill drove a dark blue works Ferrari in the 1959 USGP. I had known about their yellow ones at Spa during that era, but I didn't know about Hill's blue one until recently.

Enzo Ferrari entered his cars under the auspices (and the United States racing colors of a white body with a blue upper front) of Luigi Chinetti's North American Racing Team (aka NART) several times. It usually meant he was having a disagreement with the FIA over something and withdrew his cars...but then would always enter them as NART. He did this with sports cars also.

In the first year (1964) of Ford's efforts to win LeMans they painted the original Ford GT's white with a blue hood which are the U.S.A.'s racing colors.

[Barry Boor]

I have seen Stirling's Maserati in pictures when it was dark green; and when it was red, of course, but is this "sickly shade of Adriatic sea green" actually the colour we have been calling 'grey' earlier in this thread? As I think I might have mentioned earlier, I have a video that appears to make the car look a light green, not grey.

Or is it the dark green that Alf didn't like?

[Barry Boor]

Back in April, the subject of Stirling Moss' own Maserati was discussed. There were various comments about a grey painted car. Rob G said:

Barry, I've seen it in two places. The first was a book of color illustrations (not photos) produced by Rand McNally (I believe it was them, but I'm not positive). I saw the grey and white colors in there, but didn't believe it,

BELIEVE IT, ROB!

I should mention that this is a Motor Sport photograph, scanned from the Denis Jenkinson book about the 250F. (Thanks to Roger Clark for lending it to me!)

[Doug Nye]

Originally posted by Rob G
Speaking of the mid-'60s, I've always wondered about the Chamaco-Collect/Bernard White BRM of 1966. When Bob Bondurant drove for the team at Monaco, the car was painted dark blue with a white stripe.

Not the way I recall it. Standard BRM dark lust. green with the white stripe and arc of Bernard White's Team Chamaco Collect superimposed. Jack Lewis was reported as both 'Jack' and 'Jackie' in period, and answered to both.

DCN

[Rob G]

Fantastic pic, Barry! I especially like the Union Jack on the tip of the nose.

Doug, thanks for the correction. The photo I saw made it look blue, but that could have been caused by the reflection of the blue sky in the green paint.