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#601 petefenelon

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Posted 24 February 2004 - 18:18

Originally posted by PRD
Pom Vol 1 and Vol 2 available on e-bay now as one lot at £102 when I last looked !

Paul


Bargain! - did anyone notice how much that copy of The Certain Sound went for the other day? (it was about 103 quid last time I looked, which is about the going rate).

I got my 25 quid Ebay bargain copy of the "cooking" Palawan version of Setright's "Drive On!" today. It's.... well, it's a big, beautiful book, written in that florid and discursive "wears his learning with the grace of a concrete overcoat" style that LJKS makes his own. It's printed on nice heavy paper, with very good photo repro (some of the B&Ws are stunningly vivid) and excellent typography and design. It even smells great. It really is a lovely object, certainly worth a hell of a lot more than I paid for it - mind you, it is still a paperback ;)

There is some material of sporting interest spread all through the book, although in the chapter on Sport LJKS comes to the conclusion that the fun really stopped around 1980. Hard to argue, really.

I did have a vague intention of selling it straight on, but it's far too nice for that. I've saved it from being orphaned and now it's mine;)

For many readers, the pic of Colin Chapman and Michael Allen fettling the Lotus Mk III on the way to Ibsley could be worth the price of admission in its own right.

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#602 Jeff Weinbren

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Posted 25 February 2004 - 04:51

Petefenelon, "The Certain Sound" on Ebay went for 167 quid! :

#603 petefenelon

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Posted 25 February 2004 - 16:15

Another book of fairly tangential interest to many here, but it's cheap, good eye-candy and exceptional value for money.

"Cars: The Early Years" - a collection of b/w photos from the Hulton/Getty picture library, with captions (by Brian Laban) in English, French and German.

psbooks (a very good remainder/overstock bookseller) web site here are doing it for a tenner. At that price, even though its motorsport content is fairly thin, it is worth it for any old-car enthusiast with an interest in good photography. It's all b/w, with (for the price) excellent repro.

It's a hardback, about 350 large pages (probably nearer 500 photos), running from the dawn of time to the birth of the Mini. It's a nontechnical book, generally, and isn't really usable as a detailed reference on particular models. What it is is an interesting survey of the evolution and use of the car - it's more of a general-interest old-photo book that happens to be about cars than a dedicated petrolhead work, but it's worth having on your shelves.

#604 Joe Fan

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Posted 25 February 2004 - 16:54

Originally posted by Barry Lake
I have just placed an order for the Masten Gregory book by following the instructions in Joe Fan's final paragraph and paying by credit card via PayPal.

I had no problems, the instructions were easy to follow and it all appears to have worked perfectly.

Now I am looking forward to seeing the results of the author's hard work.


:wave: Thanks Barry and others. Been quite busy but Totallly Fearless is headed down under. This PayPal solution I came up with appears to have worked and it hasn't confused anybody thus far. My wife is quite impressed at how many different countries we're shipping to now.

#605 Ray Bell

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Posted 26 February 2004 - 07:55

The culmination of many factors, Michael...

I remember well the posts you made when you were just learning about your local hero... the factors that led to your decision to do this book. It might have taken three years and a little more, but you've every right to be proud.

And I'm glad you took the self-publishing route. Did my son order my copy yet?

#606 Joe Fan

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Posted 29 February 2004 - 03:51

Thanks Ray, I am not sure if your son has purchased a book yet.

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Posted 29 February 2004 - 05:54

New book on Bill Pollack I just found out about...sounds interesting:

http://brownfoxbooks.../RedWheels.html

#608 Dennis David

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Posted 29 February 2004 - 06:18

Gosh, I need to get off my duff and order Michael's book as soon as I get authorization.

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Posted 29 February 2004 - 23:56

Whilst looking in one of the Collins bookshops in Australia on the weekend to my suprise I stumbled upon Doug Nye's new book on Sir Jack. Congrats to Doug & great to see some nice shots of Mt Druitt & the Longford shot inside the front & back cover.

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Posted 01 March 2004 - 11:53

Originally posted by PRD
Pom Vol 1 and Vol 2 available on e-bay now as one lot at £102 when I last looked !

Paul


They went for £365 in the end which wasn't such a bargain as a bit of research on abe books would reveal.
I wonder how much my spare water damaged copy of Pom 2 is worth ?

Paul

#611 Mike Argetsinger

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Posted 01 March 2004 - 13:59

Apologies if this has already been discussed - but I couldn't find it via the search function.

"The Racecar Alphabet" by Brian Floca completely knocked me off my chair! It was recommended by my sister - a Children's librarian - as a birthday gift for my, about to be, 7-year old nephew. It just arrived in the mail and now I must have another copy for myself. Just a delightful book for any age - intelligently written and beautifully illustrated in watercolors and, as the author takes us through the alphabet, we progress from late 19th century through Bugattis at Monaco - C-Type Jaguars and much, much more until we reach the current era. Wow! This book is special - a great gift for a child but you will want a copy for yourself. Atheneum Books for Young Readers, ISBN 0-689-85091-3

#612 Mallory Dan

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Posted 02 March 2004 - 16:30

Anyone any views on the Lola books, can't remember the author. I got the first one, something like "Lola, all the cars from 1957-77" and wasn't impressed at all. The 2nd edition, from 1978-1997 or so is going cheap from the usual places. Is it worth getting ?

#613 Roger Clark

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Posted 03 March 2004 - 12:39

Originally posted by Mallory Dan
Anyone any views on the Lola books, can't remember the author. I got the first one, something like "Lola, all the cars from 1957-77" and wasn't impressed at all. The 2nd edition, from 1978-1997 or so is going cheap from the usual places. Is it worth getting ?

The style is very similar. I'll bring it to the next TNF Northern Gathering and yo can decide for yourself.

#614 Mark Ballard

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Posted 05 March 2004 - 18:31

I received a flyer for the following book http://www.lexdavison.com which I thought might be of interest

#615 David McKinney

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Posted 05 March 2004 - 19:34

Thanks for the tip-off Mark
I'll have some of that :)

#616 Ray Bell

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Posted 06 March 2004 - 00:59

If it contains the picture of Diana in the TC Special at Rob Roy that they loaned me several years ago, it's worth the money...

Graham's been fastidious with this book, as a snapshot of an era of vast change in Australian motor racing it must be a great read.

#617 Ray Bell

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Posted 06 March 2004 - 02:33

While we're looking at that web page about the Davo book... what's the car in the pic at the bottom left?

It seems to me that the pic is the Balcoombe (sp?) sprints, and it's Davo in the Alfa... but what is the following car?

#618 SEdward

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Posted 10 March 2004 - 13:04

I recently bought "Les Grandes Heures de Montlhéry" by Dominique Pascal and a fine book it is too.

I know that the venerable Bill Boddy wrote a book about the same circuit many years ago. It was called "The Parisian Autodrome", or somehing like that. Any ideas if and where it might be available?

Thanks.
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Posted 10 March 2004 - 13:33

Hello all, I am new here although I have been a reader of this forum ever since I realised how amazing it was :clap:

On the subject of books, I was wondering why Steve Small's Grand Prix Drivers' Who's Who hasn't been updated and reprinted for so long - is there no big demand for it? I would have thought there was a bit of a niche for it these days with (as far as I can see) the lack of general driver A-Zs on the market. I have seen the Arron/Hughes book, but am I right in saying it doesn't include drivers who tried and failed to qualify for a GP, or the Indy 500 drivers from the 1950s?

If anyone knows of a reasonably priced, simple statistical A-Z out there, I'd be grateful of the info. Please forgive me if I'm going over old ground... cheers!

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Posted 11 March 2004 - 16:57

Spotted this in Mill House Books-'sale bargains' Sixty Years of the Trieste-Opicnia Race-was £99.50 now £65. Has anyone read this and can advise wether it is worth that sort of money?

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Posted 15 March 2004 - 12:52

Originally posted by bretonbanquet
Hello all, I am new here although I have been a reader of this forum ever since I realised how amazing it was :clap:

On the subject of books, I was wondering why Steve Small's Grand Prix Drivers' Who's Who hasn't been updated and reprinted for so long - is there no big demand for it? I would have thought there was a bit of a niche for it these days with (as far as I can see) the lack of general driver A-Zs on the market. I have seen the Arron/Hughes book, but am I right in saying it doesn't include drivers who tried and failed to qualify for a GP, or the Indy 500 drivers from the 1950s?

If anyone knows of a reasonably priced, simple statistical A-Z out there, I'd be grateful of the info. Please forgive me if I'm going over old ground... cheers!


I guess Small hasn't been updated lately because there's less and less to do every couple of years now - a few sentences about the dozen or so veterans and a few lines and a PR shot of the newcomers.

By the 3rd Edition Steve had got to the bottom of a lot of the stories, there are inevitably things that could be added, but would the general public go out and buy a new edition because it had a little more about Luki Botha or Tom Jones in it?;)

I was fairly restrained on my latest trip to London - only bought three motorsport books!

- the Brooklands Books compilation on the Carrera Panamericana - looks to be well up to their usual standards of production and selection, a fascinating read
- the Chris Nixon-edited book of Robert Fellowes' photographs of the 30s - gorgeous photography and production
- and (star purchase of the weekend!) a compilation of the first 12 issues of Hop-Up magazine - loads of hot-rodding weirdness!

(Still waiting for my copy of DCN/Black Jack to arrive!)

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Posted 16 March 2004 - 00:10

Originally posted by petefenelon


I guess Small hasn't been updated lately because there's less and less to do every couple of years now - a few sentences about the dozen or so veterans and a few lines and a PR shot of the newcomers.

By the 3rd Edition Steve had got to the bottom of a lot of the stories, there are inevitably things that could be added, but would the general public go out and buy a new edition because it had a little more about Luki Botha or Tom Jones in it?;)



Thanks for replying :)

I guess you have a point there - there isn't too much of interest to add to a prospective new edition bar the new guys who have come along and updating the data on those drivers who have passed on or done something new of note. Maybe in a few years when some new champions are crowned there'll be a market for an update. Whenever that may be! :confused:

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Posted 17 March 2004 - 18:42

Does anyone have the following book?

Sports Car Racing in Western Canada 1949-2003
Author: Tom Johnston
Hardcover
ISBN: 1894694198

Publisher's webpage and profile...

http://www.granville...portscarracing/

#624 Frank S

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Posted 17 March 2004 - 19:40

Originally posted by ehagar
Does anyone have the following book?

Sports Car Racing in Western Canada 1949-2003
Author: Tom Johnston
Hardcover
ISBN: 1894694198

Publisher's webpage and profile...

http://www.granville...portscarracing/


I tried an online order a month or so ago. but haven't heard back

You can contact Tom at
tomjohnston at shaw dot ca

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Posted 17 March 2004 - 20:28

Originally posted by Frank S


I tried an online order a month or so ago. but haven't heard back

You can contact Tom at
tomjohnston at shaw dot ca

Frank S


Thanks Frank!

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Posted 18 March 2004 - 00:07

  Tom's book hasn't been published yet. It's due in the spring. When it's available, he will make an announcement on the Canadian Motorsport History Group, and I or one of the other members will post a notice in this thread.

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Posted 18 March 2004 - 00:32

The book went to the printers in Hong Kong last week. I expect the finished product in about six to eight weeks. If anyone is intererested I can email a PDF of the dust Jacket which explains the book and has a couple of early reviews (quite postive, I am pleased to say)

Marketing and distribution of the book is well under control in the US and Canada. Does anyone have any suggestions or guidance for possible avenues in other markets?

I can be contacted at tomjohnston@shaw.ca

BTW the final title is Sports Car Road Racing in Western Canada, we dropped the dates.

#628 Hieronymus

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Posted 19 March 2004 - 06:10

Does anyone know if Marlboro still publishes their annual "Grand Prix Guide"? I have not receive one for the last 2 years or so.

#629 Barry Lake

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Posted 20 March 2004 - 13:09

Yes they do, but I am not sure how easy they are to obtain.

The past two years I have received mine from the Ferrari PR people at the Australian Grand Prix - but you have to provide evidence that you are a motor sport journalist.

Prior to that Marlboro used to send me one in the mail, but they have not done so in recent times.

#630 Henri Greuter

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Posted 22 March 2004 - 10:06

No F1 but since F1 drivers for that era also participated in sportscar racing....

I received "Triumph and tragedy" by Yves Kaltenbach, the book about the 1955 Sportscar season.
Mus read it yet but the first impression for looks, lay-out and built-up of the contents: Stunning!
More about it when I've finished reading it.

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Posted 22 March 2004 - 15:06

My favorite Formula One Book is: Formula 1: The Autobiography by Gerald Donaldson


From the Amazon.com review:

For this project, Gerald Donaldson assembled a team of specialists to record the voices of the major players on the circuit today, from engineers to designers and team bosses to drivers, as well as searching out the words of legendary figures from the past, to create a definitive yet personal historical record of the triumphs and disasters of over 50 years of Formula 1. Over 500 illustrations from unusual and personal sources offer a fresh insight into this spectacular sport.For this project, Gerald Donaldson assembled a team of specialists to record the voices of the major players on the circuit today, from engineers to designers and team bosses to drivers, as well as searching out the words of legendary figures from the past, to create a definitive yet personal historical record of the triumphs and disasters of over 50 years of Formula 1. Over 500 illustrations from unusual and personal sources offer a fresh insight into this spectacular sport.


Book Description:
"In one year Formula 1 can be so intensive it is more than the equivalent of five years for normal people".--Michael Schumacher, Driver

"Sure it's exciting. But racing is very difficult, complicated, hard work."--Tyler Alexander, Racing Engineer since 1964

For the first time, the enthralling history of one of the world's greatest sporting spectacles is told by its leading players--Jackie Stewart, Michael Schumacher, Juan Pablo Montoya, Ayrton Senna, and many others--the Formula 1 drivers, team bosses, designers, pit crews, journalists, spouses, lovers, camp followers, and fans. A beautifully illustrated and hugely ambitious project, assembled by a group of top journalists who have all covered the sport for years, this compendium is packed with action photography. Often controversial viewpoints come directly from those who act out the life-and-death dramas on the road. The chronicle starts with the grainy photos and rare memoirs of pioneering days a century ago, using the words of the men who began it all, such as Karl Benz and Sir Henry Segrave. Year by year, event by thrilling event, follow the innovations in car technology and racing technique to today's high-tech, high-finance, high-danger game; where grime and glitz, pain and passion are a way of life. The photo cavalcade puts you into the driver's seat in fiery crashes and finish-line celebrations. Rare behind-the-scenes sessions and a collector-quality gallery of the most famous driving machines of all time are part of the excitement


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Posted 22 March 2004 - 16:22

Originally posted by x_acto
My favorite Formula One Book is: Formula 1: [B]The Autobiography by Gerald Donaldson

It's one of my favourite "one volume" books on the history of Championship-era Grands Prix - big, well-illustrated, well-designed without being overdone, great for "dip-into" reading, and containing a lot of pithy quotes. It doesn't hang together as a complete history, but you do get a lot of insight into the characters of a lot of drivers, engineers and managers. And I got my copy cheaply too - twelve quid, IIRC.

Arrived back from a weekend away to find a few recent purchases waiting on my desk. Of racing interest are the reprint of Ronnie Spain's GT40- an individual history and race record which is just magnificent, Richard Williams' The Last Road Race which does look to be as good as DCN suggested, and (finally!) my own copy of Gerry Marshall (and Jeremy Walton)'s Only Here for the Beer which I haven't read since not long after it came out :) I haven't dared unwrap this yet as I wanted to maintain some productivity through the afternoon.;)

At seven quid for the hardback (from amazon) the Richard Williams book is the racing bargain of the year so far. (Mind you I've a certain soft spot for Williams -- his taste in dodgy prog rock is almost as good as his taste in racing).

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Posted 22 March 2004 - 16:39

Originally posted by petefenelon


It's one of my favourite "one volume" books on the history of Championship-era Grands Prix - big, well-illustrated, well-designed without being overdone, great for "dip-into" reading, and containing a lot of pithy quotes. It doesn't hang together as a complete history, but you do get a lot of insight into the characters of a lot of drivers, engineers and managers. And I got my copy cheaply too - twelve quid, IIRC.


I pay for my 55€, because it was import... :(

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Posted 22 March 2004 - 17:52

Originally posted by petefenelon
At seven quid for the hardback (from amazon) the Richard Williams book is the racing bargain of the year so far. (Mind you I've a certain soft spot for Williams -- his taste in dodgy prog rock is almost as good as his taste in racing).

A couple of weeks ago I was flicking through a book review in the Guardian of a biography of the jazz musician Valaida Snow, when the names Buddy Featherstonehaugh and Johnny Claes (as sometime members of her band) suddenly leapt out at me. Only then did I look to see who the reviewer was . . . I should have guessed.

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Posted 22 March 2004 - 19:54

I really would like your opinion on this one:

do you think that the Autocourse yearbooks are worth the high prices that are frequently asked ?

Over the years I have build up quite a reasonable motorsport-library but sometimes the prices of the books, especially the second hand/out of print ones, do not match with the value they offer in information or pictures. I'm sure you all will recognize this problem. And I buy these books for their content, not as collectables.

I allways thought that the Autocourse-series was so high priced because they became collectable and I assumed they wouldn't live up to their expectations in content, but I was never able to check my own premisse because I simply was reluctant to buy my own copy of one of those yearbooks.

Now after more then twenty years I finally got my hands on a copy of Autocourse !
If you wait long enough you can get one cheap: I got Autocourse 1978-79 in a lot with four other motorsportbooks of lesser fame for only 10,- Euro !

But since I read some of the articles and leafed through it I must say I'm not impressed. To me all the information is availlable in other places and it's not very complete either and to be honest it just looks like an out of proportion magazine, complete with advertisements and all.
So is this my prejudice ? Was 1978-79 not the best issue and an exception to the rule ?

In other words: is Autocourse really the yearbook to have and should I start saving money to buy all other issues or not ?

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Posted 22 March 2004 - 20:28

Originally posted by Marcel Visbeen
Do you think that the Autocourse yearbooks are worth the high prices that are frequently asked ?

But since I read some of the articles and leafed through it I must say I'm not impressed. To me all the information is availlable in other places and it's not very complete either and to be honest it just looks like an out of proportion magazine, complete with advertisements and all.
So is this my prejudice ? Was 1978-79 not the best issue and an exception to the rule ?


First, where did you think all that information of today came from? Folks cribbed from the old Autocourses -- as well from Sheldon, Nye, and a legion of others -- and placed it on their own web sites. Second, you may have already answered your own question. Third, if you are looking for just the stats, don't bother since, as you've mentioned they are available all over the web. If you have an interest in the stories of the events, then perhaps you can see a use for the annuals. Fourth, I think that many of the Autocourses being offered for sale are often priced over their real value. However, the book business is a totally wacky world and really lacks any really apparent rhyme or reason at times. What complicates matters are those who simply are collectors and to whom the books represent stored value and not stored information. They demand a profit and they generally get it.

If you are complaining about getting a 1978 Autocourse along with four other books for 10 Euros, you certainly don't want to know what they want for those from the 1950's and the 1960's. My surviving collection is consectutive back to only 1972, plus 1969 and 1961 being all that is left from the others that are now gone.

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Posted 22 March 2004 - 20:34

Originally posted by Marcel Visbeen
I really would like your opinion on this one:
In other words: is Autocourse really the yearbook to have and should I start saving money to buy all other issues or not ?


If you know a better one, let me know!

I have a run of Autocourse back to 1980 ('79 and beyond start getting stratospherically expensive) and I find myself using them regularly - it's a rare week that doesn't see a couple of them coming down off the shelves.

The Bernie F1 annual was a better F1-only resource - and if you're only interested in F1, the Domenjoz yearbooks are cheaper and actually better-designed. Automobile Year spends too much time talking about the road car industry, "styling", or the classic car scene. The 1980s "Automobile Sport" books had far more on sports cars, F2 etc. And if your interests lie in one particular class of racing there are always better annuals.

There isn't really any other book you can put on the shelf that's as good an all-round summary of the year's racing though.

(Whatever happened to '365 Racing Days'?)

I think there was (inevitably) more to read and more willingness to be controversial in the earlier volumes I have, and rather more technical insight than PR. I still don't like the ads, never do and never did. The writing in the early 80s volumes was a bit more incisive, certainly.

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Posted 22 March 2004 - 20:42

I think there is a De Beers-like cartel of Autocourse dealers. There always seem to be several available at any given time, or at any of the big shows, but those before 1977 are not available at under £200. Compare to something like "Racing Voiturettes" by Karslake; like hen's teeth but generally gettable for less than £150 if you do see it.

A few years back Chaters did the '76 and '77 editions for £50 a pop and had I been employed at the time I would have bought the lot...

The best thing about Autocourse is that it has most of the relevant racing info you could get in Autosport in about one inch of shelf space. However, for the money, and if storage space is no bother, I would go for Autosports from the same era at £50-100 per year. The only thing with Autocourse is that they do appreciate rapidly (after about 5 years) so if you fall on hard times you can get some dosh sharpish.

#639 Marcel Visbeen

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Posted 22 March 2004 - 21:52

Thank you for your replies Don, Pete and Ensign.
I was indeed foremost curious about how you rated Autocourse against other contemporary sources like other yearbooks or magazines.
I have for example a special interest in the 1982 season of formula one and I'm still hesitant about buying the 1982 Autocourse, especially since I already have the yearbooks by Pruller and Schwab, the Autosprint annual and the complete year of Grand Prix International. I wondered if Autocourse would tell me something about that year that I didn't know.

By the way, they are not yearbooks, more something of an opposite, but the other day I bought four very nice books in a series called classic motor races . The issues I have are: the Le Mans 24 hour race, the Monaco GP, the German GP and the French GP. All where issued by Temple Press between 1963 and 1967. Does anybody know if there where more books in this series ?

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Posted 22 March 2004 - 22:00

There were just the four, Marcel. I've had the German one for many years, got an ex-library copy of the French one a few weeks back and am currently awaiting a copy of Monaco bought on eBay. I've also recently bought a German-language edition of the German GP volume, which is updated to include 1966: it's in a larger format with (in general) better reproductions of the photographs.

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Posted 25 March 2004 - 16:53

I have AutoCourses from 76-93, then the 'Damon' one in 96. Got them all in period, except the 78-79 one, which I paid Eoin Young £100 for, and that was back in 1992...

I find them excellent as references, the Results section at the back is great. Obviously they mainly concentrate on the GPs, but generally the writing is quality, pictures usually superb, and as has been said, they appear to more than hold their value. Having said that, I haven't really missed getting them since I stopped, maybe that says more about my waning interest than anything else !

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Posted 29 March 2004 - 13:04

Originally posted by petefenelon


John "Jasper Carrott's old manager" Starkey.

The second one was in the clearance sale at my local Waterstones and even at a tenner I wasn't tempted. Some moderately interesting photos of the sports cars and some of the "converted F5000" Can-Ams, but the text was dull and superficial, and rather too much space was given over to annual repetitions along the theme of "And this year Tony Trimmer won some Libre races in his T332 against no real opposition" or "And this year some computer salesmen in Sports 2000s beat each other".

Like most Starkey books it's probably of interest if a chassis you've owned is featured in there, but of minimal interest to the "passing trade". He's written a novel too, apparently - seems to be set around the world of IMSA.


I'm about halfway thru' the second Starkey Lola book (thanks Roger), and must comment as to how awful it really is. Littered with mistakes, confusingly laid out, it seems to have been put together with little thought at all. Surely he should have known that it was only likely to appeal to enthusiasts like us, and not the 'passing trade'. You'd have thought therefore that he'd have made an effort to get the basics right. Has he or the publishers ever heard of proof reading ?

Are his other titles as bad as the Lola ones I wonder ??

#643 Jeremy Jackson

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Posted 31 March 2004 - 10:57

I'm about halfway thru' the second Starkey Lola book (thanks Roger), and must comment as to how awful it really is. Littered with mistakes, confusingly laid out, it seems to have been put together with little thought at all. Surely he should have known that it was only likely to appeal to enthusiasts like us, and not the 'passing trade'. You'd have thought therefore that he'd have made an effort to get the basics right. Has he or the publishers ever heard of proof reading ?


Dan,

Most of Starkey's books are "Littered with mistakes".

I have the second edition of 930 to 935, which is a large improvement on the first, but still has quite a few errors.


Similarly, I have the 3rd edition of his T70 book. 1st edition was quite bad, I didn't consider the 2nd edition.

I bought Lightning Speed (Nissan Gp. C / IMSA) against my better judgement, and is suffers in the same way.

As an example of proof reading requirement, in the T70 results, there seems to have been a "Find & replace" of "OA" to Overall"... Thus, on april 13th 1969, there was a BoverallC 500 at Brands Hatch !!!

#644 Magee

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Posted 02 April 2004 - 04:36

Harley-Davidson legendTrevor Deeley

I've just finished DEELEY - Motorcycle Millionaire by Frank Hilliard isbn 1-551430258
Growing up in Vancouver I often heard the Deeley name associated with racing, both sports cars and motorcycles. The local circuit, Westwood, hosted motorcycle racing, including side-car types, during the sports racing car programs. On some weekends the motorcycles dominated with an occasional sports car race tagged on the end of the racing program. Trevor was a very competitive driver and business man. In fact, Harley-Davidson later depended on him to get its company back on its feet after suffering from very poor sales.
Trevor was one of those who became a legend after cultivating friendships with all types of motorcycle enthusiasts. I can remember when I visited the Deeley Motorcycle Museum for the special memorial just after Trevor's funeral. I stood watching the thousand or so motorcycles roar in from all directions and was awed by the mixture of police and Hell's Angels standing side by side in tribute of this much respected man.
Behind all of his life was the terrible relationship with his father indicating the struggle he had in getting his dad's approval and a recognition that all son's strive for. There is quite a bit of Shakespearean tragedy in his life story that may have turned any other man into an empty shell casing.
Here is some information from the author:
"Romance, motorcycle racing, the rise of biker gangs, lavish yacht parties and the renaissance of Harley-Davidson -- all figure prominently in the life of Trev Deeley and in DEELEY, Motorcycle Millionaire they roar off the pages like a Harley 61 Knucklehead.
If it has to do with motorcycles, Trev Deeley has done it all!
- A successful dirt track racer throughout the Pacific Northwest, he competed three times in the prestigious and dangerous Daytona 200 in Daytona Beach, Florida.
- He bucked the odds and the advice of many around him by importing the first Japanese motorcycles to Canada. He was the first Honda distributor in the English speaking world and the first Yamaha distributor in Canada.
- He was one of the first outside members of Harley Davidson board of directors and remains the Harley-Davidson distributor for Canada.

But it hasn't been easy. Deeley's success came in spite of a neglected childhood, a precarious relationship with his tyrannical father, and a good deal of personal tragedy. From dare-devil racer to millionaire businessman, Trev Deeley is a unique Canadian success story!"

This book, in my estimate, elbows itself to the top of the pile of motor sport books in my growing collection.

BTW, here's is the Deeley Museum URL
http://www.trevdeele...collection.html

#645 petefenelon

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Posted 05 April 2004 - 16:08

Ebay bargain of the week:

http://cgi.ebay.co.u...&category=48443

Mint condition copy of "The Robert Fellowes Collection" for 17 quid. (Motor Books are outing it for £19.99 at the moment, the original price was 40 quid). Splendid photography well-reproduced, an interesting foreword by Peter Ustinov, just a lovely thing to have.

No connection with the seller at all.

#646 dretceterini

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Posted 06 April 2004 - 17:12

New book on Pescara coming:

IL CIRCUITO DI PESCARA 1924-1939

Authors: Francesco Santuccione
Paolo Smoglica


Publisher: Geco

A beautiful and nostalgic look at the world motor racing of the past. The best cars and most famous drivers have been racing on the 25 kms of the Pescara Circuit called “magic triangle” and this book, lavishly illustrated, retraces all editions of Coppa Acerbo from 1924 to 1939. Included final results, description of the cars and profile of the drivers.

Publishing Date: 2003
Text: Italian
Binding: Softbound
Pages: 156
Size: cms. 29x28
B/W Pictures: 250




Price: € 50,00 (from Libreria 'dell Auto)

#647 dretceterini

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Posted 07 April 2004 - 20:02

Another new one that looks intersting, from Nada..

D’ANNUNZIO & NUVOLARI Il poeta, il pilota e la tartaruga


Author: Francesco Nuvolari


Publisher: Byblos

An unusual profile of the famous Italian champion. In fact in this book, lavishly illustrated with some never published before pictures, the author tells about the friedship of Nuvolari with Gabriele D’Annunzio and retraces stories and anedocts very interesting for the racing world but also for the Italian life of the period.

Publishing Date: 2003
Text: Italian
Binding: Hardbound
Pages: 382
Size: cms. 24x34
B/W Pictures: 400




Price: € 100,00

#648 Doug Nye

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Posted 08 April 2004 - 20:33

Has anybody seen a copy of this book on Philadelphia's Fairmount Park races? Worthwhile?
http://www.philadelp....org/akm/store/

DCN

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Posted 08 April 2004 - 23:16

Doug:

Thanks for pointing out the book. I didn't even know it existed. How did you find out about it? I'm sure that there any number of other books many of us are unaware of...

#650 Mark Ballard

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Posted 09 April 2004 - 00:22

Originally posted by Doug Nye
Has anybody seen a copy of this book on Philadelphia's Fairmount Park races? Worthwhile?
http://www.philadelp....org/akm/store/

DCN


Firstly I must say that I am not the best person to vouch for the accuracy of the book (especially as I only got it through last week and haven't read it properly yet), but you did ask if anyone had seen a copy and I have.
The book itself is just under A4 size with 228 pages. It starts with the background behind the races including detailed circuit maps followed by long chapers on each of the races. It also has a very comprehensive biblography and includes reference sources for the majority of quotes (mostly from newspapers of the time). The back also includes a comprehensive results section with all lap by lap times for all entrants to each of the races. It is also has a number of very interesting photos, however these are printed on the same non gloss paper as the text and, to me, seem slightly too darkly reproduced, but I could be wrong. All in all I was pleased with it as a bought it as a bit of a pig in a poke.
FYI I bought it through amazon in the UK- although it did take 4 weeks to arrive.


On a different note, I have seen recently that a few copies of a 2004 reprint of Dudley Coram's "Aston Martin : Story of a Sports Car" have been appearing for sale on ebay. Does anyone know any more about this or the quality of the reproduction?

Mark