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[Stephen W]

Originally posted by Simon Arron
The Chevron B52 wasn't the best-selling Sports 2000, having only been introduced a couple of months earlier, but here it is anyway...


The driver is listed as 'Peter Sadler or Frank Sytner', but I had outgrown making anal programme notes by that stage. Can't remember what Frank's lid looked like in 1980, but suspect this might well be Sadler.

In an earlier programme from Oulton Peter Sadler is listed as the engine tuner of Frank Sytner's Chevron.

[h4887]

A few shots from one of my rare forays to Mallory Park. As usual I was too idle to label them, but a trawl through the programme collection indicates it was 12/9/82. Someone here may recognise himself




Roy Yates


Tony Lewis


Chris Lewis leads


John Bartlett, Max Busslinger, Russell Spence




Ian Giles, David Andrews

By now I should have learned how to control the size of my pics...

[alansart]

Originally posted by h4887
A few shots from one of my rare forays to Mallory Park. As usual I was too idle to label them, but a trawl through the programme collection indicates it was 12/9/82. Someone here may recognise himself



By now I should have learned how to control the size of my pics...

Who me

I hadn't finished painting that side.

[Simon Arron]

These are by no means as iconic as some of the Thruxton stuff that has appeared on TNF of late, but I feel Special Saloons were rather taken for granted in their heyday. They were an almost inevitable feature of every meeting and it never occurred that I might one day miss them. Here are a few different shapes and sizes...


Tony Dickinson's Skoda - a tad quicker than my current Octavia estate, but probably less practical.


Phil Hepworth's Mini. NB one marshal paying attention while the other talks to Big Dave about ska's influence on that week's top 40.


The slightly scruffy side of Sunbeam Stiletto proprietorship, as demonstrated by Robert Seager...


...and David Smith's neater, more wholesome approach. Note handsome collection of Thermos flasks, sandwich boxes etc at the foot of the marshals' bunker.


Derek Walker - star turn at this evening's TNF N&W gathering in Mere.


I'm not sure where Mike Buckley stands in the pantheon of Cheadle Hulme's all-time greats, but his Mk1 RS2000 was always immaculate.


Peter Jürgens exhorts all those in need of a sunroof to phone Lymm 4019 or 6403 right now.


Little in pursuit of large. Ray Williams (3.0 Capri) heads John Mawdsley (999cc Mini) through Lodge.

[Mallory Dan]

Originally posted by Mondiale M85S
Could it be Laurence Jacobson in the Chevron? That name rings a bell with me somehow.....

Jacobson had a few goes in the first B52 that year, after its introduction. I don't recall Fearless being involved with the project at all though at any point. He was a Lola man wasn't he?

[Mallory Dan]

Good pic of the wonderful Bartlett Royale RP32 there, h. This car pretty much killed off Royale as a serious player didn't it?

Mike Buckley used to get around in that RS2000 as I recall, though why I'm not sure, he was never really a contender. And I'm looking forward to seeing Derek W tonight, I think his Skoda was the fastest ever saloon around Mallory, some honour that. The Landlord of a brewpub near me is John Mawdsley, not the same chap surely?

[Andrew Kitson]

Originally posted by Mallory Dan
Good pic of the wonderful Bartlett Royale RP32 there, h. This car pretty much killed off Royale as a serious player didn't it?

As far as FF2000 goes yes probably. But I'd say the performance of the RP34 in testing put the nail in the coffin.
The RP33 and RP36 were semi-successful in FF1600 but Alan Cornock and Hugh Kleinpeter then went into sportscars where the RP37 Sports 2000 was hugely successful with titles both sides of the pond in the mid 80s.

[h4887]

Back to 1980 at Snetterton - various meetings, including the Willhire and something I called '100km modsports event' but which I can't find among my programmes

Ken Moore, Gemini; Jose Praag, Gemini; Rod Tolhurst, another one






Tony Dickinson


Tony Sugden


Chris Meek, Peter Clark, Martin Birrane, but I'm betting it's not one of them getting his hands dirty

[h4887]

These are from the HSCC meeting at Brands in 1986


Harm Lagaay in the Nathan


Jim Wallis


Don Shead


John Brindley


Soames Langton in the Lenham. Anyone know what his condition is these days?


J-L Laborde


Foulston


Anyone not recognise Vittorio Pizzolotto?


Nick Overall, Diva 10F

[Henk A. Hazelaar]

Henrik,

Herewith a photograph of Tim Jones - Van Diemen RF 85



If you have any questions, please contact me.

Regards,

Henk A. Hazelaar

Specialising in Formula Ford History

[simonlewisbooks]

Originally posted by Henk A. Hazelaar
Henrik,

Herewith a photograph of Tim Jones - Van Diemen RF 85

If you have any questions, please contact me.

Regards,

Henk A. Hazelaar

Specialising in Formula Ford History

Both cars displaying the kind of 'attitude' that made FF1600 so appealing to watch even when there wasn't a 9 car slipstreamer for the lead! Were they still on cross-ply tyres in 85? I have a theory that radial tyre technology has seriously reduced this kind of visible car-control (and thus the spectacle) over the past three decades.

[MCS]

Originally posted by Simon Arron



...and Nelson Piquet turned up in a PRS at Oulton Park, to tackle a round of the Dunlop Star of Tomorrow FF1600 Championship. Unless, of course, it's John Wadsworth.

Well I never. So long ago. Thanks for posting this, Simon

[Phil Rainford]

Originally posted by hh-tech



Hello
Does anyone have any more pictures from this event?
I´m looking for a picture of the RF85 that Tim A Jones drove (Brands commentators son)
I own that 1985 Van Diemen and would like to fill in some gaps in its early history.
From what I can see of the -85 Festival Video (Duke) it´s white and green.

The car was owned and run by Milldent Motorsport (Steve and Brian Farell) together with a cor for Perry McCarthy
In the start of the season it was hired buy a black guy nick named "TJ" but in mid season he ran out of mone and the car was hired by Tim A jones (and to various drivers?)
Does anyone have any recollection of this?
A start no at the FF festival perhaps?
At the FFF he was
1st in the "Lep Group" heat
2nd in the "Duckhms Oils" Quater final
3rd in the "Dunlop" semi
7th in the Final


http://www.johnnyher.../festival.shtml
I got some respone back in 2004:
http://www.ten-tenth...?t=47815&page=2

Regards
Henrik

Henrik

Laptop and scanner back working ( For now )

I was sure I had a picture of Tim Jones from the Festival .....but alas I have searched in vain

However I can confirm that his start number was 224 and there is a picture of the car in the Festival Programme.

Not much help but here is the man himself in 1986 at a FF2000 race at Oulton Park sandwiched between Paulo Carcasci and Dave Coyne....




While here is a shot from the 85 Festival



Within the group are Damon Hill, Roland Ratzenberger, Pete Rogers, John " Butcher " Booth, Phil Andrews, Jeremy Packer and Martin Boyle.

While earlier in the season Jeremy Packer has a sideways moment at Old Hall



Kind regards

Phil

[Phil Rainford]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Simon Arron
[B]October 1980. The Police didn't want you to stand too close to them, Ottowan were inexplicably selling zillions of copies of DISCO, Diana Ross was warbling about her old piano...


...and Nelson Piquet turned up in a PRS at Oulton Park, to tackle a round of the Dunlop Star of Tomorrow FF1600 Championship. Unless, of course, it's John Wadsworth.

No you were right the first time out....they re-stickered the car for the race



While here is another from the same meeting......



Mr Arron was pinching my chocolate digestives when I was taking these with my Kodak Instamatic ;)

Kind regards

Phil

[Simon Arron]

Originally posted by Phil Rainford
Mr Arron was pinching my chocolate digestives when I was taking these with my Kodak Instamatic ;)

Point of order: I'm sure they were fruit shortcakes.

Ironically, though, I read this while clutching a couple of plain digestives in my left hand (the perfect accompaniment to some decent Cheshire cheese).

[Mallory Dan]

I presume Mr Rossiter in the T590, chaps? Just finished a packet of Chocolate Marland cookies for my lunch, no wonder my complexion is so good is it...

Slightly O/T, but related to cars and 1980, at Mere Country Club yesterday, there was a big silver Merc in the car park, regged 'MOD 1'. Yes I believe it was his.

[hh-tech]

Thanks alot Henk and Phil for the reply on Tim Jones

For 1986 the car went to Denmark and was driven by Torben Pedersen
in 1987 to 1990 it was driven by Carl Bjarne Pedersen taking the Dannish Championship in 1989 and the Swedish "B" Championship in 1990

in 1991 to 1993 it was driven by Tommy Jespersen in the Dannish Championship
at that point it looked like this



Today it looks like this and is in need of full restoration




Henrik

[Simon Arron]

Originally posted by Mallory Dan
Slightly O/T, but related to cars and 1980, at Mere Country Club yesterday, there was a big silver Merc in the car park, regged 'MOD 1'. Yes I believe it was his.

What, Lalit Modi, the Indian cricket entrepreneur?

[Phil Rainford]

Originally posted by Mallory Dan
I presume Mr Rossiter in the T590, chaps? Just finished a packet of Chocolate Marland cookies for my lunch, no wonder my complexion is so good is it...

Slightly O/T, but related to cars and 1980, at Mere Country Club yesterday, there was a big silver Merc in the car park, regged 'MOD 1'. Yes I believe it was his.

??

Kind regards

Phil

[h4887]

Originally posted by Phil Rainford



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Kind regards

Phil

How did he get those jeans on?

[sterling49]

What a brilliant band

[fines]

SECONDED!

And funny isn't it, how even in complete darkness you could just make out Roger swinging the mike, with Pete probably doing the windmill, too!

[Paul Hurdsfield]

Y'know I saw the Who live at the Old Twisted Wheel in Manchester about 1965/66.
They couldn't quite prance about as much as that one, the stage wasn't big enough,
in fact I think that stage was as big as the Wheel
Great find though

[markal]

The Who were on at the New Twisted Wheel on Withworth St on 3 October 1965 after moving from Brazennose St, Happy days, regards Alan.

[Paul Hurdsfield]

There's some serious thread drift here :

Maybe we should start another thread titled:-

Things that have nout to do with Motor Racing that we look at through rose coloured glasses.

[Mallory Dan]

Originally posted by Phil Rainford



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Kind regards

Phil

I didn't mean them Phil, tho' sure you can guess what I meant!!

[Phil Rainford]

A selection of shots from the support package at the 1987 British GP......

Don Hardman follows the arrow and remembers to turn left at the Woodcote chicane.




Jerry Mahoney made a brief but lasting impression on the BTCC



Spectators and photographers alike found it impossible to ignore John Foultson's McLaren as it blasted under the Woodcote bridge



I should know who this is in a Reynard that has picked up a nasty rash......




...but I have no idea

Kind regards

Phil

[Mondiale M85S]

Gary Dunn whose livery has since been copied by Alstare Suzuki in WSB who are sponsored by Pepe mobile phones.....

[Andrew Kitson]

Keith Farrance also had red spots like that all over his Formula First car in 1988. Must have been an '80s' thing!

[Phil Rainford]

Originally posted by Mondiale M85S
Gary Dunn whose livery has since been copied by Alstare Suzuki in WSB who are sponsored by Pepe mobile phones.....

Many thanks

Kind regards

Phil

[Kevan]

Originally posted by Phil Rainford
A selection of shots from the support package at the 1987 British GP......

Jerry Mahoney made a brief but lasting impression on the BTCC



Phil

Phil, that Mahony shot is interesting- this being 1987, it's not his better-known RS500 of 1988/9, but a Prodsaloon Cosworth- He was one of a number of Prodsaloon regulars who fitted a set of slicks on their regular mounts and turned out for the British GP support round.

I'm not 100% on the accuracy of this, but from my notes the others were Robb Gravett (his car also had Arquati sponsorship and was a near-twin of Mahony's car- although possibly run by different teams), Mike Smith, Dave Morgan (all in Cosworths), Paul Harmer in an Astra GT/E and a number of Renault 5GT Turbo Cup runners (Roger Saunders did a fair number of BTCC races that season in a Renault, but a number of others turned out for the GP- Alex Postan, Niki Philips, Dave Grimshaw, Les Germain, and possibly a couple I've missed.

If you've got any more pics from that race, I'd be very interested to see them- at that time there were quite a lot of drivers who dipped in and out of the series over the course of the season, and a number of one-off entries particularly at the GP meeting....

[Phil Rainford]

Originally posted by Kevan


Phil, that Mahony shot is interesting- this being 1987, it's not his better-known RS500 of 1988/9, but a Prodsaloon Cosworth- He was one of a number of Prodsaloon regulars who fitted a set of slicks on their regular mounts and turned out for the British GP support round.

I'm not 100% on the accuracy of this, but from my notes the others were Robb Gravett (his car also had Arquati sponsorship and was a near-twin of Mahony's car- although possibly run by different teams), Mike Smith, Dave Morgan (all in Cosworths), Paul Harmer in an Astra GT/E and a number of Renault 5GT Turbo Cup runners (Roger Saunders did a fair number of BTCC races that season in a Renault, but a number of others turned out for the GP- Alex Postan, Niki Philips, Dave Grimshaw, Les Germain, and possibly a couple I've missed.

If you've got any more pics from that race, I'd be very interested to see them- at that time there were quite a lot of drivers who dipped in and out of the series over the course of the season, and a number of one-off entries particularly at the GP meeting....

Kevan

I think these two shots highlight your point

Pete Hall's RS500 looks perfectly at home on slicks.....



....while Mike Smith's Production Saloon example looks somewhat a sea with regards to suspension/tyre set up



While here is the Roger Saunders Renault 5GT you referred to



Kind regards

Phil

[Paul Hurdsfield]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Phil Rainford
[B]A selection of shots from the support package at the 1987 British GP......




Ah Mr Foulston, here he is again, this time at Brands a couple of years earlier

[RTH]

The Group A Sierra Cosworths were quite different cars to the prod saloon versions. Mr Mahony had an example of each in the same livery.

[sterling49]

Originally posted by RTH
The Group A Sierra Cosworths were quite different cars to the prod saloon versions. Mr Mahony had an example of each in the same livery.

He was everywhere one year, then gone like the Scarlet Pimpernel

[Phil Rainford]

Originally posted by sterling49



He was everywhere one year, then gone like the Scarlet Pimpernel

Sterling

FYI.....


www.crash.net/motorsport/btcc/news/115461-0/lee_gets_twelve_years_in_drugs_case.html

Kind regards

Phil

[Kevan]

That's pretty much my recollection- he seemed to appear out of nowhere in Prodsaloons in '87 with a Cosworth then stepped up to the BTCC the following season with an RS500 (and winning his first BTCC race), before pretty much disappearing from the scene as a driver after the 1989 season- Arquati sponsored both his Prodsaloon and BTCC activities

He later got involved in corporate hospitality activities around the series... Subsequent events, as in the link Phil posted are fairly well-known....

The Arquati sponsorship was extended to Robb Gravett's Cosworth mid-way through the '87 prodsaloon season I think- though AFAIK they were never actually team-mates as such, I think Mahony's car was prepared by Roger Dowson, whereas Gravett's was run by Graham Hathaway.

[Kevan]

Originally posted by Phil Rainford


Kevan

I think these two shots highlight your point

Pete Hall's RS500 looks perfectly at home on slicks.....

....while Mike Smith's Production Saloon example looks somewhat a sea with regards to suspension/tyre set up


While here is the Roger Saunders Renault 5GT you referred to

Kind regards

Phil

Thanks for those Phil- as you say, they illustrate the difference between Group A and Prodsaloon versions of the Cossie very effectively.

The shot of the Saunders Renault is a real bonus- I don't think I've ever seen a pic of this, apart from occasional ones in contemporary Autosport or MN race reports. Quite a few Renault 5 competitors had the occasional run in the BTCC around this time, but Saunders was the most regular, doing a fair bit of the 87 season. I won't swear to this without digging out old Autosports, but I think by the time of the '87 GP meeting, his 5 had possibly been developed into something closer to a 'proper' Group A version.

1986/7 are interesting years in the BTCC- the series was at a very low ebb by '86 after the Rover & BMW controversy in 1983/84 and the mid-'84-season pull-out by Austin Rover, and grid numbers were sometimes down to around a dozen at times.

During that period a lot of occasional and one-off entries dipped in and out of the series, particularly at GP supports, with everything from genuine Group A cars to various 'moonlighting' Prodsaloons and one-make series competitors, the occasional rallycar (the Peugeot UK rally team converted one of their Group A 205GTIs into a racer for Mikael Sundstrom to use in a couple of 1986 rounds), and if memory serves, on one infamous occasion even several of the Brands Hatch Racing School Escort XR3s got a run out driven by the instructors...

[sterling49]

Originally posted by Phil Rainford


Sterling

FYI.....


www.crash.net/motorsport/btcc/news/115461-0/lee_gets_twelve_years_in_drugs_case.html

Kind regards

Phil

Amazing, familiar names though, one of those guys was a very local name, I knew nothing about the 2005 case.Thanks for the link Phil.

[coupekarter]

Originally posted by MCS


...and Nelson Piquet turned up in a PRS at Oulton Park, to tackle a round of the Dunlop Star of Tomorrow FF1600 Championship. Unless, of course, it's John Wadsworth.


Well I never. So long ago. Thanks for posting this, Simon

For some reason my own recollection of the Paragon Race Hire PRS is that it had black bodywork.....is my memory failing, or is this perhaps a different car?

[MCS]

Originally posted by coupekarter
For some reason my own recollection of the Paragon Race Hire PRS is that it had black bodywork.....is my memory failing, or is this perhaps a different car?

It certainly had black bodywork when you drove it Dave... (same car).

[coupekarter]

Originally posted by MCS


It certainly had black bodywork when you drove it Dave... (same car).

Thanks Mark. Do you know its whereabouts now, has the car survived?

[alansart]

Originally posted by Paul Hurdsfield

Ah Mr Foulston, here he is again, this time at Brands a couple of years earlier

Looks as though somebody behind had a bit of an off on the run up to Druids or is it Clearways?

[Andrew Kitson]

I think that is the Thundersports race supporting the '84 GP at Brands. Something from the old memory bank is telling me it's the Evan Clements Sports 2000 RP37 that went off, it's at Paddock I remember the shunt. Not sure but he may have been sharing with David Sears?

[Paul Hurdsfield]

Yep it's paddock, the only place for me at Brands

[petestenning]

Has Gregor seen these of his father in the Viva GT;-

http://www.mikehaywa...g2_itemId=11620


Pete

[Phil Rainford]

Chris Hodgetts attempts to reduce tyre wear at the 1987 British Grand Prix support race....



Kind regards

Phil

[Kevan]

Great shot Phil- Somehow that's exactly how I always remember the Hodgetts Corolla- up on two wheels after a trip over the kerbs. Chris' driving style in the car always seemed pretty extrovert.... According to the notes of the result I've got, here it yielded another class win and 12th overall, on the way to a second successive championship.

[Phil Rainford]

A trio of " Thundersports " shots.



Chester Wedgewood enters Old Hall in his Chevron B36.....



while Ian Flux exits the corner in Don Prater's Lola T286.



Tony Trimmer hugs the kerbs at Lodge in the Taxas Chevron B26/36

Kind regards

Phil

[Mallory Dan]

Phil, the Prater Lola is a T594 I think, not 286. Was this the '83 Lovett Mazda car?? Anyone know who Chester Wedgwood was, he seemed to appear from nowhere around this time to drive in T'Sports. I wondered if it was a pseudonym??