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[Repco von Brabham]

The Mc Larens in the Campeonato Nacional de Sports, Argentine National Sports Championship

The first Mc Laren cars appeared in 1971, when the Argentines new regulations allowed the rear-engines in the sports cars.


1971 - Esteban Fernandino, Mc Laren M8C-Ford, bought to Kris Kraft.




Carlos Paretti, team Ford Argentina works, Mc Laren M8-Ford 289 cune Inch




Also in 1971, Nasif Estéfano (Reims 12 Hours Winner) drove this Mc Laren M8C-Ford 289 Cune Inch






Now in 1972, Osvaldo López drove this Mc Laren M8C-Ford V8., behind you can see a beatiful Avante-Peugeot 2.0 litres.




Esteban Fernandino, Mc Laren-Ford 289'', Oval Rafaela Circuit

[canon1753]

Thanks! Very nice photos!

[kayemod]

Am I right in guessing that 289ci was the maximum permitted engine size?

[Repco von Brabham]

Am I right in guessing that 289ci was the maximum permitted engine size?

Exactly.., you are RIGHT,

BUT., remember, in 1972 the new regulations, the engines (for the rear-engine cars) was limited to 3.0 Litres, (188 cune inch), for the rear-engine cars., (but not in the South-Am Cup races).

That thing was because the rear engine Cars won all the races in the 1971 season., BY THE WAY., in this years the Mc Laren only won two Races, because the Argentine car Berta-Tornado OHC 233 cune Inch was a very superior chassis, more ligth and more driveality than the Mc Larens.,

Another reason (of the Berta domination) was the nasty tendency of the Ford 289 engines for burst in flames., especially when they where leading the races.., that issue are is a motive of heated discussions still TODAY..!!!!

With a realible engines, maybe the 'argentinian' Mc Larens would disputed the Berta Car's domination., there are few questions about that.,

More argentinians Mc Laren Cars:

Copa Sud-Am 1972 - (South-Am Cup) - 500 Km of Interlagos

Juan Carlos Salatino (ARG), Mc Laren M8C-Ford 289''

Edited by Repco von Brabham, 07 August 2009 - 23:42.

[kayemod]

With a reliable engines...

Why all the Ford engines anyway, was it something to do with local availability? Almost everywhere in the world, Chevy rule, they almost always did in CanAm.

[Repco von Brabham]

The champ Nasif Estéfano - Mc Laren M8C 289 cune Inch

[Ray Bell]

Any chance of some more information on the Peugeot-engined car?

Which engine? Which transmission etc?

[Repco von Brabham]

March 28th, 1971

The original Mc Laren M8C, bougth by Ford Argentina Inc to Kris Kraft, already have the engine Ford V8 4.5 Lts
The driver isCarlos Pairetti.



The Mc Laren debut, was in Maggiolo, the car had overheat troubles (like all the Fords engines makes by Guillermo Mikulán) and inestability chassis.., the Berta LR-Tornado 233" won the race, by huge domination.,

Edited by Repco von Brabham, 12 January 2010 - 23:59.

[horizon]

Anybody know the chassis number of the this car?

Edited by horizon, 12 January 2010 - 00:02.

[Pablo Vignone]

Anybody know the chassis number of the this car?

This is a "fake" car. Alain De Cadenet "sold" his McLaren but it can't stay here because of tax issues. So, they copied the chassis (AFAIK they made three copies) and then sent the original back to somewhere.

[RA Historian]

This is a "fake" car. Alain De Cadenet "sold" his McLaren but it can't stay here because of tax issues. So, they copied the chassis (AFAIK they made three copies) and then sent the original back to somewhere.

Which accounts for the two or three M8Cs scattered about that all claim to be the Ecurie Evergreen car, powered by a Cosworth DFV. Sasco Sports runs one in the US and there is at least one in Europe. All claiming to be the same car! A common thread in their "history" is that they were in S.A. at one time or another. Thanks, Pablo, you have cleared matters up very nicely in just two sentences.
Tom

[Pablo Vignone]

Which accounts for the two or three M8Cs scattered about that all claim to be the Ecurie Evergreen car, powered by a Cosworth DFV. Sasco Sports runs one in the US and there is at least one in Europe. All claiming to be the same car! A common thread in their "history" is that they were in S.A. at one time or another. Thanks, Pablo, you have cleared matters up very nicely in just two sentences.
Tom

In a 1970 magazine I found (just minutes ago) that Vicente Formisano paid US$ 20.000 to De Cadenet for the rights to copy the car, and then sent it... to the States!

[kayemod]

In a 1970 magazine I found (just minutes ago) that Vicente Formisano paid US$ 20.000 to De Cadenet for the rights to copy the car, and then sent it... to the States!

Since Alain de Cadenet was just one of Trojan's customers, I wouldn't have thought he had very much in the way of 'rights' to the McLaren he'd purchased.

[RA Historian]

Since Alain de Cadenet was just one of Trojan's customers, I wouldn't have thought he had very much in the way of 'rights' to the McLaren he'd purchased.

Has that stopped anybody from building a replica in the past

Tom

[Pablo Vignone]

March 28th, 1971

The original Mc Laren M8C, bougth by Ford Argentina Inc to Kris Kraft, already have the engine Ford V8 4.5 Lts
The driver isCarlos Pairetti.



The Mc Laren debut, was in Maggiolo, the car had overheat troubles (like all the Fords engines makes by Guillermo Mikulán) and inestability chassis.., the Berta LR-Tornado 233" won the race, by huge domination.,

The Pairetti car is a M8D copy car. He brought chassis and suspensions from England at the beginning of 1971, copied that and returned it. I don't know whom he did business with.

[D-Type]

Since Alain de Cadenet was just one of Trojan's customers, I wouldn't have thought he had very much in the way of 'rights' to the McLaren he'd purchased.

Although he had no 'rights' to the design, but he could still legally charge people to look at his car. And if, having had a good look, they copied it ...