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[simplebrother]

My drawing was of the F300.

My apologies - I obviously have a typo in my file name.
Peter

[werks prototype]

SORRY... are you doubting me??!! i told you... the first is the f1-2000 and the second the f399! pick some real pictures of both and see the color of the front wing... 1999 f399 is black! i dont know why or how,but the magazine changed the names.

No, I'm not doubting you Joca.

I'm just intrigued that each work appears in part, to be a mish mash of the other.

[Embers]

Here are a couple of unattributed aircraft cutaways from Air Progress, the Spring 1958 edition:
Chance Vought F4U-7 Corsair. The magazine story including this cutaway was simply labeled "The Last Corsair", so I believe that this represents the -7 version. It makes an interesting comparison with the R.G. Smith and R.J. Poole cutaway of the F4U-1D from an almost identical viewing angle, posted earlier. One can note the changes to the engine cowling, propeller, radio-antenna fitment, and tailwheel. After doing the port wing details, I guess the illustrator felt no detailing was necessary on the starboard wing, omitting the armament and even the panel lines.

Here is Jefferies' take on the F4U-1D with a profile cutaway from an earlier Air Progress issue.

Douglas A4D-1 Skyhawk, as it was known in '58 prior to the change in military aircrft designations. It then became the A-4A. The illustrator was unidentified but the style, with shadowing, is distinctive.

[ibsenop]

Nissan R382 by Takashi Jufuku

[simplebrother]

A potpourri this afternoon - a couple of airplanes by Frank Munger, then a motorscooter and a military naval vessel both from Eagle Comics...

Folland Gnat, a British subsonic jet trainer first flown in 1955 - by Frank Munger


Lockheed F104g - an American fighter-bomber whose origins go back to 1958. The 104g was the most numerous 104 variant, being 1122 of the total 2575 104s produced. Interestingly, only 139 of that 1122 were actually made by Lockheed - the others were made by various manufacturers including CanadaAir, Fiat, Fokker, Messerschmitt and later the merged Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm, Mitsubishi, and SABCA - by Frank Munger


Lambretta 125 Motor Scooter drawn by Hubert Redmill; it was introduced in 1952 and made with only minor changes until about 1967 - this drawing was the cutaway in the 04-17-1953 Eagle


German Deutschland-class heavy cruiser, also termed a Pocket Battleship, the Admiral Graf Spee - when empty she met the 10,000 ton limitation imposed by the Treaty of Versailles, but her laden capacity was 16,020 long tons. Launched in 1934, commissioned in 1936, she was in position in the shipping lanes just before war was declared in 1939 - she sank 9 Allied vessels in the last three months of 1939 before being challenged by 3 British cruisers - all 4 vessels were heavily damaged, and soon afterward the Graf Spee's commander scuttled her after hearing false reports of an approaching large British force. This image was drawn by John Walkden-Fisher for the 06-15-1956 Eagle.


Peter

[simplebrother]

Today in the US lots of ice cream will be eaten by little and big ones alike... here are two takes on ice cream production - both from 50+ years ago from both sides of the Atlantic.

Frank Soltesz's How Ice Cream is Made, part of Armstrong's How Industry Works series from the late 1940's-early 1950's.


L Ashwell Wood's Romance of Ice Cream, one of the Eagle Comic cutaways from the 1950's. (if anyone is interested in a larger version,my original is 5000 pixels wide - PM me your email address)


Peter

[Motocar]

North American F-86K Sabre Cutaway, U.S. interceptor version, built under license in Italy unlike the F-86D was armed only with 24 Mighty Mouse rockets aimed in a removable container under the belly, with whom he guided by his radar must destroy enemy bombers by saturation area once fired the entire load, the version "K" was armed with four guns of 20 mm and was subsequently coupled AIM-9B Sidewinder missiles, radar interception kept the whole time, but this particular version suffered from many failures due to the complexity of their systems, what type did little appreciated by the pilots who were assigned to fighter squadrons equipped with the same, he served in many air forces including Germany, Yugoslavia , Thailand, Honduras (Leased by Venezuela) and Venezuela were purchased in large numbers in the early sixties to enhance the capabilities of air defense, serving only ten years, these fighter pilots preferred to fly the most reliable and simple F-86F also were equipped with AVF, I had the opportunity to speak years later with maintenance personnel and told me the day of the last flight a 5 July 1970 during the parade when it was announced the decommissioning of the F -86K, their pilots to land down from their frames and some were left on the ramp with their engines running, having to be turned off by the maintenance personnel assigned to each game, this shows the great displeasure and the low esteem the pilots to had, many remained without even being assembled, others were delivered to the Aviation Technical School for instruction, others survive as Guardians from door to different airfields and museums, the rest were used as targets or melted for scrap, sad end to a superb plane with a daunting picture, author of the original schematic Aviagraphica cut and modified by Motocar to recreate the F-86K version, taken from the Russian website:


Success for all

Edited by Motocar, 05 July 2012 - 16:21.

[werks prototype]

Nissan R382 by Takashi Jufuku

It's a little off topic, but I have a 1/64 scale model of this car, the R382. Who'd have thought they could make them so small!



Back on topic.


Ferrari Mondial 8 Quattrovalvole Cabriolet. Artist, Bruno Betti.


Villiers 98 c.c. 2F. Artist, Vic Berris.

Edited by werks prototype, 10 July 2012 - 18:24.

[Motocar]

VC-22 Freighter, giant truck, take of:
http://landtrain.net...ighter-cutaway/



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[Karabas]

Jones David R.

RAF R.E.8


Vickers Vimy

[DHFiallo]

Nissan R382 by Takashi Jufuku

I love these Ibsen. I saw these Jufuku images on a Japanese web site and I am very glad that you posted them in a suitable size. Do you have his Lancia Stratos?
On a side note,, I love reading this thread...alas I now drive a OTR truck and it is difficult to be current, but when I do manage to go online..it's like Christmas!

[ibsenop]

Yes, I have the Lancia Stratos to be scanned and spliced.
I will post it in a near future. I hope.

[TWest]

Group,
I want to apologize for going "silent" again for a bit, but it will probably continue for another few days. I am relocating to an apartment in Whittier, if you have any clue where that is in the LA area. I always said I would never go into a Seniors place, but I find myself doing so. Considering that I am walking horribly, I fit in much better than I would like, so it will work. I am taking my lighttable along, so will be getting back to doing more illustrations, finally. Most of it appears like it will be drag racing and Bonneville stuff, so more of the same.
I have not been sitting idle, as I wanted to clear a couple of the cartons of my aviation and other miscellaneous magazines, so I now have something around 1100 half-cutaway scans ... probably 30 of those are one-piece, so a bit easier. Will keep this stuff going when I can, but it is part-way home with quite a number of automotive and aircraft cutaways from various sources that I have at hand.
Just wanted to explain my absence and to apologize for it.
See you with more material again shortly.
Please don't stop postings on my account ... I always check this board after the mail ...
Tom West

[Motocar]

Greetings Tom, I hope soon to have back to the forum, I think its valuable collection of cuts schematic, I'm big fan of such drawings and as I have dared to modify some only to recreate those aircraft that do not have a cutaway, now working in several drawings of cars, and two of Formula 1, I hope you enjoy and thanks for your words of encouragement.

Renny = Motocar

[werks prototype]

'1,397 c.c. Gordini based' Renault 5 turbocharging system. Artist, E.T.A.I. France.


Renault 18 turbocharging system. Artist, E.T.A.I. France.

[werks prototype]

Chrysler. Artist, E.T.A.I. France.


AMC 149 c.c. Artist, unknown.

[simplebrother]

Ferrari Mondial 8 Quattrovalvole Cabriolet. Artist, Betti. (Giulio or Bruno)

very similar to the Bruno Betti Mondial 8 3.2 you posted on 4/16...

[werks prototype]

You are right, Peter.

Post edited, thanks

[werks prototype]

Left: Fiat Campagnola 1951. Artist, unknown. Right: The GAZ 469B 1984 'Russia'. The Aro 240 'Romania' or the Portaro 'Portugal'. Suggestive of a design that 'got around a bit'. Artist, unknown.


The 'Sleeping Beauty'. British MSC (Motorized Submersible Canoe).

[simplebrother]

Just one this afternoon...
Lancia Strathos HF - 1974 by Takashi Jufuku

Peter

[Motocar]

X Ray Vespa Scooter



Success to all

Edited by Motocar, 11 July 2012 - 03:18.

[TopGun]

Just one this afternoon...
Lancia Strathos HF - 1974 by Takashi Jufuku

Peter

Hi mate, could you please upload this wonderful image trying to avoid the moire patterns please??

Thanks in advance!!!

[helioseism]

Hi mate, could you please upload this wonderful image trying to avoid the moire patterns please??

Thanks in advance!!!

There is no aliasing if you go to the full-size image (3027x1760) on ImageShack.

[TopGun]

It's not aliasing... moire patterns is when you see the little points at full dimension... This happens when you make a scan from a magazine without filtering the image...

Edited by TopGun, 11 July 2012 - 15:36.

[helioseism]

It's not aliasing... moire patterns is when you see the little points at full dimension... This happens when you make a scan from a magazine without filtering the image...

Moire patterns are a form of aliasing.

[simplebrother]

Hi mate, could you please upload this wonderful image trying to avoid the moire patterns please??

Thanks in advance!!!

I am not sure what you would like me to do - on my monitor I see no problems with my original or the download from ImageShack, whether viewed as a reduced image or full sized. Below is a thumbnail of the image uploaded in smaller scale - that often corrects issues. My original is digital - I did not do the scan.

Peter

[Karabas]

Hi mate, could you please upload this wonderful image trying to avoid the moire patterns please??

Thanks in advance!!!

Hi,
TopGun, perhaps you're referring to a similar "descreening" action?


If anyone has scanned image in high resolution, I can do it for you.

Edited by Karabas, 11 July 2012 - 18:48.

[ibsenop]

Bugatti T41 Royale by Giogio Alisi.

[TWest]

I am not sure what you would like me to do - on my monitor I see no problems with my original or the download from ImageShack, whether viewed as a reduced image or full sized. Below is a thumbnail of the image uploaded in smaller scale - that often corrects issues. My original is digital - I did not do the scan.

Peter

Peter,
I am not quite sure what the problem is here. I have taken this scan up to 100% and am getting nothing funny out of it. Your scans are about as good as anything I have seen on the site, and the stitching and cleanup are pretty spectacular, so I am not quite sure what is expected here.

We are all scanning from magazines and old screened prints, so you get what you get. I am not sure how many I have done, but I have never used any of the screening filters as I tried a couple of things and was not happy with the result. Seemed like it took out small details on occasion, and the overall result it generally better going fairly large to begin, and I bring it down in size to post here (generally something in the 40-50% range is the repro percentage for the file). I am not sure where the expectation comes for print-ready artwork here, but I have been more than happy with the contributions, and appreciate everyone's efforts. If you truly need something better, approach the magazines or whoever and try to buy the artwork.

This is, as we have stated in the past, done for the pure academic analysis by knowledgeable and appreciative students of the art form, and is not intended to have any commercial use in any form of reproduction whatsoever. If you are looking for completely printable originals, you should go back to the source, which is going to be fairly tough for 40 or 60 year old publications, I should think. If you are looking to print it out, as I had thought at one point, you are looking at a very long process here, as there are still drawing flowing in, and there are an amazing number that have come through in the past. I will always try to clean things up with a little lightning in the shadows and a few other things, just for my personal preferences. But, the material is pretty respectable in most cases. Much appreciated here, everyone.

Does that sum it up for everyone?

Thanks.
Tom West

Edited by TWest, 12 July 2012 - 17:05.

[Tony Matthews]

Does that sum it up for everyone?

Good enough for me!

[TWest]

Good enough for me!

Along this line, I have a couple of more scans from some of the US magazines with your old Indy Car artwork ... some of them not having been put out here. I do tend to lighten them a bit to bring up the details a little better, and zip up the colors a touch just for contrast, but I try to keep all of that to a minimum. When I get down the file to do them, I will put them up, but let me know if you want something different done with them. Will change it and repost them with modifications if you wish.
Thanks for your amazing contributions to this whole process. Just looked up the "new guy" with 8 posts, and happened to see yours with 16000 posts. Busy boy over there for someone who has been "out of the game" for a while. I love it, as you really were my hero for many years, and right after you first started getting published with the b&w work.
Any of you guys who don't appreciate the quality of work done by our Mr. Matthews don't quite get it here ... don't think there are many of those around ...
Tom West

[simplebrother]

<re: Tony Matthews>
Thanks for your amazing contributions to this whole process. Just looked up the "new guy" with 8 posts, and happened to see yours with 16000 posts. Busy boy over there for someone who has been "out of the game" for a while. I love it, as you really were my hero for many years, and right after you first started getting published with the b&w work.
Any of you guys who don't appreciate the quality of work done by our Mr. Matthews don't quite get it here ... don't think there are many of those around ...
Tom West

Amen! - We could go on for pages, but that would just embarass the one we were trying to honor - thanks for everything!
Peter

[simplebrother]

About to leave to play in the San Juan Islands with no Internet or cell service - hooray!!!
Just two this morning - both by Takashi Jufuku
Ferrari F40

Acura NSX-R GT

Peter

[Karabas]

Max Millar

Armstrong Whitworth Ensign ("Flight", April 1937)


I like this old "wash drawing" style.
Looks like my avatar sitting in one of the chairs

Edited by Karabas, 12 July 2012 - 18:18.

[werks prototype]

Looks like my avatar sitting in one of the chairs

I'd say forward passenger cabin!

[werks prototype]

Ferrari 500 F2. Artist, Bruno Betti.


Ford Cortina 1600, four-cylinder. Artist, Theo Page.

[TopGun]

Peter,
I am not quite sure what the problem is here. I have taken this scan up to 100% and am getting nothing funny out of it. Your scans are about as good as anything I have seen on the site, and the stitching and cleanup are pretty spectacular, so I am not quite sure what is expected here.

We are all scanning from magazines and old screened prints, so you get what you get. I am not sure how many I have done, but I have never used any of the screening filters as I tried a couple of things and was not happy with the result. Seemed like it took out small details on occasion, and the overall result it generally better going fairly large to begin, and I bring it down in size to post here (generally something in the 40-50% range is the repro percentage for the file). I am not sure where the expectation comes for print-ready artwork here, but I have been more than happy with the contributions, and appreciate everyone's efforts. If you truly need something better, approach the magazines or whoever and try to buy the artwork.

This is, as we have stated in the past, done for the pure academic analysis by knowledgeable and appreciative students of the art form, and is not intended to have any commercial use in any form of reproduction whatsoever. If you are looking for completely printable originals, you should go back to the source, which is going to be fairly tough for 40 or 60 year old publications, I should think. If you are looking to print it out, as I had thought at one point, you are looking at a very long process here, as there are still drawing flowing in, and there are an amazing number that have come through in the past. I will always try to clean things up with a little lightning in the shadows and a few other things, just for my personal preferences. But, the material is pretty respectable in most cases. Much appreciated here, everyone.

Does that sum it up for everyone?

Thanks.
Tom West

It looks like a simple request caused some problems here... I'm not searching any drawing to print (or sell), and didn't say anything against simplebrother and his post.

Karabas has focused the small issue I was referring to, which is quite annoying to see on the monitor at full resolution, and i kindly asked for any possibility to avoid it... maybe someone misunderstood my words!

BTW after all I had finally the possibility to download the image and to photoshop it a bit to remove the disturb... if anyone likes here is it, naturally all credits are for simplebrother!

Cheers and peace for all!!!

[ibsenop]

Ferrari 312 T2 1976 with De Dion rear suspension by artist unknown.

[simplebrother]

It looks like a simple request caused some problems here... I'm not searching any drawing to print (or sell), and didn't say anything against simplebrother and his post.

Karabas has focused the small issue I was referring to, which is quite annoying to see on the monitor at full resolution, and i kindly asked for any possibility to avoid it... maybe someone misunderstood my words!

BTW after all I had finally the possibility to download the image and to photoshop it a bit to remove the disturb... if anyone likes here is it, naturally all credits are for simplebrother!

Cheers and peace for all!!!

Hi TopGun...

I took nothing you said personally, but still don't see what problems you were referencing. I see no distortion or issues with either the original posting or the reduced size postings on my monitor at any scale that I choose to view it. The version you posted looks fine at 100%, but when viewed at 200% has significant bluring of textural detail. I guess I just don't get it, or our monitors are significantly different, or... ??? Anyway, thanks for all your comments and concern. Sorry that I don't understand.

Peter

[werks prototype]

Lancia Delta HF Turbo 4WD Integrale 16v. Artist, A. Betti?


Greeves Challenger engine. Artist, Tony Lofthouse.

Edited by werks prototype, 15 July 2012 - 20:58.

[Embers]

Honda NR750, the "four cylinder", oval-piston endurance racer of 1987. This image is from the August 1987 issue of Cycle World. It carries no attribution, but may have been supplied by the Honda Racing Corporation. The cylinder configuration, quite apparent in the cutaway, does not not quite fit the definition of "oval". Rather it is more like a V8 with the circular sections of adjacent cylinders connected by straight line segments, with each cylinder having dual titanium connecting rods. It was claimed to be producing 155 horsepower from 750 cc's around 14,000 rpm. Valves were spring controlled, but, with eight per cylinder, were tiny.

[Duc-Man]

Honda NR750, the "four cylinder", oval-piston endurance racer of 1987. This image is from the August 1987 issue of Cycle World. It carries no attribution, but may have been supplied by the Honda Racing Corporation. The cylinder configuration, quite apparent in the cutaway, does not not quite fit the definition of "oval". Rather it is more like a V8 with the circular sections of adjacent cylinders connected by straight line segments, with each cylinder having dual titanium connecting rods. It was claimed to be producing 155 horsepower from 750 cc's around 14,000 rpm. Valves were spring controlled, but, with eight per cylinder, were tiny.

Lets put together what belongs together. Here is the engine posted before on pg.147:

The Honda NR 500 cc V-4 racing engine, oval piston, published in Popular Mechanic 02/1981, author Jeff Mangiat

Detail Piston, spark plug, and valves, author unknow

Honda NR 750 cc engine photo

[Embers]

I have to question the accuracy of that Popular Mechanics cutaway of the NR500 engine. Here is a picture of one of the NR750's pistons:

When I heard "oval piston" I thought they would be somewhat elliptical, as shown in that cutaway, too. Now unless we think that Takeo Fukui, the engineer that developed the earlier NR500 in 1979, subsequently changed the piston shape for the NR750 when he became director of Honda Racing Corporation, I would think that much of that PM cutaway is speculation. Can anyone direct us to a photo of the NR500's internals?

[ibsenop]

Ford Fiesta 1976 by artist unknown.



TNF Cutaway Index updated - page 290 - parts A to D.

[werks prototype]

Thanks for your continued diligence, Ibsen.

Below, yet another Fiesta type


Ford CTX (Continuously Variable Transaxle). Artist, unknown. Possibly T Collins.


Ford Fiesta second-generation 1984. Artist, Terry Collins.

[TopGun]

Lancia Delta HF Turbo 4WD Integrale 16v. Artist, unknown.

It's surely a Betti's!!!

[Macca]

The NR500's pistons were definitely parallel-sided like the 750, effectively two cylinders siamesed together to get as near possible to a V8 when only 4 cylinders were allowed......but when they'd sorted the piston rings the friction was terrible.

Paul M

[werks prototype]

It's surely a Betti's!!!

Yep, I think you are probably right there. (If not, then perhaps Franco Rosso) Who incidentally, it turns out, is responsible for the Fiat Campagnola on the previous page. As well as this version of the Campagnola

More 'developmental' variations of the Lancia, below. (If they are correctly in sequence, then it is a thing of pure luck).

Edited by werks prototype, 15 July 2012 - 21:16.

[Motocar]

Northrop N-102 Cutaway "Fang" multi-role light fighter proposed by the firm to the USAF, this futuristic-looking aircraft was to be powered by a General Electric J-79 was a delta design with tail surfaces and making ventral air, an interesting detail was that the engine could be removed by simply removing the covers under the fuselage and then serve or replace the engine in no time, your air intake ramps to control the boundary layer and waves Shock gave him supersonic flight characteristics, his nose was hinged forward like the windshield to improve accessibility and service, was to serve as pure interceptor, which would count mission for up to 6 AIM-4 Falcon missile guidance radar of infrared or missiles or AIM-9B Sidewinder guided only by heat, also would have a General Electric GAU cannon of 20 mm or 20 mm single barrel, another proposal was the deployment of an unguided rocket launcher from the back the cockpit and small diameter to be fired in salvos (the style of the Lockheed F-94, North American F-86D, Northrop F-89) to be sweeping the air to the Soviet intercontinental nuclear bomber, by saturation area, could also be used as tactical bombers at low altitude (Hi-Lo-Hi) with its load of 4 bombs and two auxiliary fuel tanks, constructed a scale model of which were displayed all the ideas and systems that would incorporated without obtaining successful than their predicted promoters and designers, seeing this project we can say that in retrospect may have been a game of great value to the USAF and its allies, departed from the model complex and heavy fighters had great difficulty in the skies of Southeast Asia to face the small, lightweight and economical MiG 17, 19 and 21, these lessons were quickly learned and corrected with applications for the USAF for a light and simple hunting for more and better maneuverability as General Dynamics F-16 air superiority and the McDonnell Douglas F-15, both still in service in large numbers. This cutaway is a free recreation developed by the N-102 Motocar "Fang" cutaways starting from various donors, including the Convair F-102 Delta Dagger, F-104 Starfighter Lockheed and Grumman F11F-1 Tiger by Mike Bacdroke.



Success to all

Edited by Motocar, 23 July 2012 - 12:14.

[TopGun]

More 'developmental' variations of the Lancia, below. (If they are correctly in sequence, then it is a thing of pure luck).

Great to see all these Delta drawings, thank you very much... have you got any of them in race version too??? I'm actually looking forward for the last version, of which I posted a low res version a couple of pages ago!!!