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[Tony Matthews]

I agree with your absolutism, E1.

Easy, Tom, easy! You make it sound like an obituary! Look, I really appreciate the kind comments, but we all know, or should know, that you have to be your own fiercest critic, on top of any external criticism. That is the only way to improve. There are a few illustrations that I am happy with, but they all have details or larger issues that I know should have been done differently, and could be improved on. But still, thanks.

[TWest]

Easy, Tom, easy! You make it sound like an obituary! Look, I really appreciate the kind comments, but we all know, or should know, that you have to be your own fiercest critic, on top of any external criticism. That is the only way to improve. There are a few illustrations that I am happy with, but they all have details or larger issues that I know should have been done differently, and could be improved on. But still, thanks.

Tony,
I understand your comments, and you are right. I will agonize over a particular couple of lines that I don't like, and that will be all that I ever see on a particular drawing ... and I have a hell of a long ways to go to ever approach your proficiency and your talent. At a certain point, we do them and move on, so they are not infinitely growing entities, they stop as they are and stand as they are at that point. i was not kidding about your work stepping to the head of the line when you first were getting published, so I was very impressed. I always thought that I must have missed years of your work as you honed it in "hidden" publications in England, only later to find that I was seeing your first works.
Since I have been scanning work from various others over the years, I have come to appreciate your work more as I look at the larger scans for the details.
Yeah, you know the problems, but they are among the best ever done in the field, especially when they are taken as a body of work.
... Period ...
Tom West

[E1pix]

I am not sure that I have ever seen a Matthews piece that did not deserve that comment ... from the first to the last. When the first line drawings were coming out, they stepped up the previous standard, in my opinion, and the color just stretched that boundary to a higher level. Have never even seen one done from an unpleasant angle, and that can be pretty tough to achieve every time.
I agree with your absolutism, E1.
Tom West

Thanks. And you know... if we're not careful we may banish Tony into forced-buying of a larger hat collection. Hate to see him weather that expense.

Kidding, Tony... take the compliments 'cause you deserve them. Beats the alternative.

And TM, I agree with your professional sentiments. I've quoted since 18, ''You have to know you're good... but think you suck." Everyone likes to soften that quote, I like it as is, but perhaps my signature at the bottom of my posts says it better.

[E1pix]

Easy, Tom, easy! You make it sound like an obituary!

And here I'd thought 'Absolutism' was an addiction to really good vodka.

[Motocar]

Dassault-Breguet Mirage 4000 Cutaway, this fabulous French fighter was designed and built with funds from the company, after the project was canceled Super Mirage, a twin turbofan equipped with M-53 Snecma Atar nearly 10 tons of thrust ( approximately 9.500 kg of thrust) with strong wings arrow almost 60 degrees by the option delta single-engine Mirage 2000, also boosted with the M-53 Tie the new design would be offered to market multi-role heavy fighter, would have a radar more powerful and far-reaching, it would take more air missile air, attached to a heavy load of bombs in bomber missions, their commanders fully electric or cable flight also called in English "Fly by wire" which would eliminate the vertical loads of the elevons, I incorporate two small delta wings on the air intakes as well as two large air brake a little further back on them, first flew in 1979 showing a performance enviable and just in its third flight was already over Mach 2, however, despite its excellent performance was not interest the French Air Army, thus swelling the museum pieces of the firm, only to be dusted off a few years later to perform at the Air Show LeBourguet the occasion of interest Saudi Arabia was in search of a multi-role heavy fighter, being painted for the occasion in a desert color scheme, again luck was with him not because the Saudis decided on the proven hunting McDonnell Douglas F-15C, same dates and worked in Dassault Technologies Demonstrator Rafale A, an aircraft equipped with General Electric F404 engines, the same F-18 Hornet, later reduced its size to become the definitive Rafale B and this new development in order the fabulous Mirage 4000, this court there are many speculative elements schematic absence of reliable data on the same are incorporated Matra Mica missiles in its two versions of infrared guidance and radar, author of the original Dassault Breguet Mirage 2000 cutaway Aviagraphica, as amended by Motocar to create this first Mirage schematic diagram of 4000, climbed to the forum with Imageshack.



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Edited by Motocar, 24 February 2012 - 16:13.

[CVA]

austin healey 100 by Robert Roux

[CVA]

lotus 11 by Robert Roux

[CVA]

Offenhauser 270 by C.O LaTourette ( it was posted page 88 but in a smaller version)

[ibsenop]

Lotus Esprit by Mark Stehrenberger.



Lotus Elite by Mark Stehrenberger.



Lotus Eclat by Mark Stehrenberger.

[werks prototype]

Those are 'low-key' brilliant. Especially the Esprit. New artist, too!

[macoran]

Mark Stehrenberger.

have heard of him, but don't remember where
Road & Track house artist , more or less like Werner Buhrer ?

[ibsenop]

His work appeared in "Road & Track", "Motor Trend", "Car and Driver" and other magazines.

More about him: http://www.stehrenbergerdesign.com/

Edited by ibsenop, 22 February 2012 - 23:26.

[trauts]

His work appeared in "Road & Track", "Motor Trend", "Car and Driver" and other magazines.

More about him: http://www.stehrenbergerdesign.com/

Good find, I remember the designers in the 60's always looking out for his work. He has a very distinctive style but I have never seen a cutaway of his before.

[werks prototype]

Good find, I remember the designers in the 60's always looking out for his work. He has a very distinctive style but I have never seen a cutaway of his before.

Stuart, can I ask, do you recognise this signature from your time working at Jaguar?

I believe it is a styling drawing for the proposed IMSA GTP series, and it is dated 1981.

Jaguar IMSA GTP, Styling drawing, 1981 (Not a cutaway)

[Duc-Man]

The signature looks very similar to Brian Hatton's.

[trauts]

Stuart, can I ask, do you recognise this signature from your time working at Jaguar?

I believe it is a styling drawing for the proposed IMSA GTP series, and it is dated 1981.

Jaguar IMSA GTP, Styling drawing, 1981 (Not a cutaway)

Can't say I recognise the signature from any of the designers at that time but I will pass it across to a very good designer friend of mine who should be able to identify if it was a Jaguar design sketch.
I met a couple of illustrators today at Race Retro and I informed them about this site and asked them if they could identify some of the missing names. One used to work in the Jaguar Technical Illustration Department and the other was a freelance illustrator for several years so hopefully they can fill in some of the gaps.

[Motocar]

The Tata Nano lateral schematic diagram court, the car becomes the Ford Model T of the 21st century, representing a leap forward from conception technique, design, materials, a car driven by a small sound engine of only 600 cc and 30 despalzamiento hp, with four doors and four adults list capacity, the nano is the product of the vision of Rattan Tata owns the company that bears his name, he observed that his country India the average family of four on motorcycle type is mobilizaba Vespa (manufactured under license) and were of little use when the rains come the "Monzon" design a vehicle that may be purchased by the growing middle class market Deun emmergente, your final price stay at $ 2.500 100,000 rupees or in its most basic version, much of the equipment offered as accessories including front disc brakes, but it is a car that meets all safety standards and anti-pollution, fire problems in some units contributed to poor publiciada, coupled with environmental problems with the installation of the mega-plant in an area considered protected habitat, the automotive industry saw with concern the new product and began studies to create their own versions, in India Maruti 800 launched a very basic low-priced to compete, so far not reach the top in sales, consumers want something more for your business status and are not associated with a produto so basic, only time will tell sie s a Bluff or sales housing peaked and will give Tata Nano to the success it deserves to be the "Most Economical Auto world " author Tata group, of the web:
http://www.lassiwith...-big-apple/html



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Edited by Motocar, 24 February 2012 - 17:38.

[Motocar]

The Tata Nano lateral schematic diagram court, the car becomes the Ford Model T of the 21st century, representing a leap forward from conception technique, design, materials, a car driven by a small sound engine of only 600 cc and 30 despalzamiento hp, with four doors and four adults list capacity, the nano is the product of the vision of Rattan Tata owns the company that bears his name, he observed that his country India the The average family is mobilized in such Vespa motorbikes (manufactured under license)

and were of little use when the rains come the "Monzon" design a vehicle that may be purchased by the growing middle class market Deun emmergente, your final price stay at $ 2.500 100,000 rupees or in its most basic version, much of the equipment offered as accessories including front disc brakes, but it is a car that meets all safety standards and anti-pollution, fire problems in some units contributed to poor publiciada, coupled with environmental problems with the installation of the mega-plant in an area considered protected habitat, the automotive industry saw with concern the new product and began studies to create their own versions, in India Maruti 800 launched a very basic low-priced to compete, so far not reach the top in sales, consumers want something more for your business status and are not associated with a produto so basic, only time will tell sie s a Bluff or sales housing peaked and will give Tata Nano to the success it deserves to be the "Most Economical Auto world "


Interior Tata Nano


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[werks prototype]

Can't say I recognise the signature from any of the designers at that time but I will pass it across to a very good designer friend of mine who should be able to identify if it was a Jaguar design sketch.

Ah, very interesting. Thanks very much, Stuart. In that case, and if nothing else turns up, I wonder if the drawing may have originated in the US, via Bob Tullius’s Group 44 Inc?

I met a couple of illustrators today at Race Retro and I informed them about this site and asked them if they could identify some of the missing names. One used to work in the Jaguar Technical Illustration Department and the other was a freelance illustrator for several years so hopefully they can fill in some of the gaps.

Great stuff

[Embers]

He has a very distinctive style but I have never seen a cutaway of his before.

The huge database accumulated on the forum permits some interesting associations to be made. If one compares the cutaways of Stehrenberger with the Esprit and Elite cutaways by Tony Divey on page 61 and the Eclat cutaway on page 225, it is apparent that Stehrenberger's task was to convert them to left-hand drive and colorize them for the American (magazine) market. The cutaways were also simplified and made to appear softer.

[J. Scott Morris]

austin healey 100 by Robert Roux

Good day CVA. This Austin Healey looks to be a 3000 Mark I BT7 roadster. It certainly is not a 4 cylinder Austin Healey Hundred.

From an artistic viewpoint, I am a pure novice who only tries to appreciate the work. Having said that, this effort by Robert Roux seems to have been light on detail.

[Motocar]

McDonnell Douglas F-4K Phantom cutaway, engine the turbofan Rolls Royce Spey autor Mike Badrocke of Hayne:
http://www.haynes.co...hantom_camo.htm



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[helioseism]

Manning Sports car. Artist unknown, may be Jim Richards.

[helioseism]

Dal Porto - Hagemann track roadster by Jim Richards.

[MichaelM]

Quote:

Good day CVA. This Austin Healey looks to be a 3000 Mark I BT7 roadster. It certainly is not a 4 cylinder Austin Healey Hundred.


Actually it looks to be of a 100-6 BN4. The engine shows the integral port head only available on early 100-6's.
Thankfully they went to a 12 port head later.

Michael

[TWest]

Manning Sports car. Artist unknown, may be Jim Richards.

Yes, Jim Richards out of Hop Up Magazine, August, 1952.
Tom West

[ibsenop]

and Ford GT40 - Cutaway artist??

A better copy - Ford GT40 by artist unknown

[Motocar]

Mercedes Benz C111 cutaway author unknow, of the web:
http://www.mbfaq.com...hp?f=8&t=143224



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[macoran]

Mercedes Benz C111 cutaway author unknow, of the web:
http://www.mbfaq.com...hp?f=8&t=143224



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Theo Page under left bumper corner ?

[werks prototype]

Renault 1100 cc. Artist, Editechnic.


Renault 20 TL. Artist, E.T.A.I. France.


Renault 20 TS (Left) and Renault 20 TL (Right). Artist, E.T.A.I France.


Renault 5 EPURE. Artist, E.T.A.I France.


Renault 16. Disc front brake. Artist, Editechnic.


Renault 9 TSE. Artist, E.T.A.I. France.


Renault 16. High-Camshaft engine. Section, not a cutaway. Artist, editechnic.


Renault 6. 850 cc engine. Artist, Editechnic.


Renault engine. 1954. Artist, Schlenzig.

[trauts]

Stuart, can I ask, do you recognise this signature from your time working at Jaguar?

I believe it is a styling drawing for the proposed IMSA GTP series, and it is dated 1981.

Jaguar IMSA GTP, Styling drawing, 1981 (Not a cutaway)

Hi Werks, my friend who worked in the Jaguar Design Department at that time doesn't recognise the signature other than as Duc-Man says it is possibly Brian Hattons work. The bodywork for the XJR-5 was supervised by Lee Dykstra but that is as much assistance I can give. You could try a UK motor art collector Tony Clark www.motoringart.info/

[werks prototype]

Hi Werks, my friend who worked in the Jaguar Design Department at that time doesn't recognise the signature other than as Duc-Man says it is possibly Brian Hattons work. The bodywork for the XJR-5 was supervised by Lee Dykstra but that is as much assistance I can give. You could try a UK motor art collector Tony Clark www.motoringart.info/

Ok, that is great, Stuart. And thanks very much for taking the time.

It is certainly an efficient approach, being able to ask someone who was involved with the various departments at Jaguar.

Initially I considered Uk based, Walton, who in hindsight, is somewhat of a motorcycle specialist it seems. I will continue to explore the US link. (The 44 numbering I think may hint at Group 44 inc).

Thanks also, Duc man.

[Motocar]

NM-1 Tsybin cutaway Soviet supersonic reconnaissance aircraft designed to fly over 3,000 km / h at an altitude of 30,000 Mts flight, powered by two engines AM-5 on the tips of their short wings, the design is correct from aerodynamic point of view, existing in the West in recent decades SST aircraft project or "Supersonic transport", the author is the artist Mike Badrocke published in Air Entusiast.



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[werks prototype]

Gilera five-hundred (1956 form). Artist, Giovani Cavara.

[werks prototype]

Ferrari 156. V6 F1. 1963. Artist, unknown.

[werks prototype]

Heinkel He 162A-2 Salamander. Artist, John Weal.


Messerschmitt Me 163B-1a. Artist, John Weal.

[macoran]

Ferrari 156. V6 F1. 1963. Artist, unknown.

Oei Oei, hazardous guess required.............OK, Berris or Hatton for me
edit......blast !!!!!.............. I see Dick Ellis did many cutaways with shadowing under the car as well.

Edited by macoran, 28 February 2012 - 21:59.

[werks prototype]

Oei Oei, hazardous guess required.............OK, Berris or Hatton for me

Or, I can just about make out something lurking murkily ahead of the left rear. Cavara?

Edit: Forensics in anoraks may be called for. (Hatton for viewpoint chosen or Berris for style, but still a troubling, familiar yet abstract blemish lingers ahead of that rear)

Edited by werks prototype, 28 February 2012 - 22:07.

[macoran]

Or, I can just about make out something lurking murkily ahead of the left rear. Cavara?

I'd say rear wheel detail too intricate for Cavara, but I am popping up to the loft to check through the books
edit......Phew !!!!! thought I was losing touch. no there are two other 156 by Cavara in the 60 Vetturi ai Raggi X book, and they are typically two of his more or less
poorly proportioned works
I check Ibsen's index if they have been posted, else I'll be scanning come weekend

Edited by macoran, 28 February 2012 - 22:15.

[werks prototype]

I'd say rear wheel detail too intricate for Cavara, but I am popping up to the loft to check through the books

Ok. Case remains open. Awaiting your report!


Edit: The 1964 V8 F1 'Aero' that you first posted on page 57, Marc also backs up your instinct for Berris.

Edited by werks prototype, 28 February 2012 - 22:28.

[macoran]

Ok. Case remains open. Awaiting your report!

as per edit above
...........and Hatton odds are dropping in my betshop !!!

[werks prototype]

I reckon you nailed it 45 minutes ago, Marc with Berris?

Edit: Now I'm thinking Hatton, because of the tyres.

How about we just say Berris drew the thing, Hatton did the wheels and Cavara signed it? eh?

Edited by werks prototype, 28 February 2012 - 22:43.

[macoran]

I reckon you nailed it 45 minutes ago, Marc with Berris?

Not sure, but good enough excuse to have another glass while pondering......I mean studying !!!

[TWest]

Not sure, but good enough excuse to have another glass while pondering......I mean studying !!!

OK, I am going to muddy the waters here with a list of the Ferrari 156 illustrations that I have in my own personal index, without any of the pieces from this group added. The year and designation is just what I pulled when I was listing them, so it could actually be different, of course. There will be overlap, be assured.

Allington: 1962 Ferrari 156 ... from The Grand Prix Car 1954-1966. Definitely not an Allington piece here.

Bazallo: 1961 Ferrari 156 ... from Quattroruote Ferrari F1 1948-1963. Some kind of special edition. I show it as a b&w piece.

Berris: 1962 Ferrari 156 ... from Ferrari Racing Tradition. Does not look like a Berris piece.

Berris: 1964 Ferrari 156/64 Aero ... 1-1/2 Liter Grand Prix Racing: Whitelock. Considering ... maybe this one afterall.

Betti (Bruno): Ferrari 156/65 ... Quattroruote Special Sport 1965. Think this one was color, and very different angle.

Cavara: 1960 Ferrari 156 ... Italian Auto Club. Not that one.

Cavara: 1961 Ferrari 156 120° V6 ... Italian Auto Club. Not this one.

Cavara: 1961 Ferrari 156 ... Italian Auto Club. Nope.

D'Alessio: 1961 Ferrari 156 .. Formula 1 2001. Definitely not his style.

Ferguson: 1961 Ferrari 156/61 ... 1-1/2 Liter Grand Prix Racing: Whitelock. Not the Ferguson style.

Ferguson: 1963 Ferrari 156/63 ... 1-1/2 Liter Grand Prix Racing: Whitelock. Not the Ferguson style.

Unsigned: 1963 Ferrari 156 ... Ferrari Monoposto-Alfieri. Back to the mystery ...

So, that is my listing of Ferrari 156 cutaways. Anyone have any suggestions?

Time to change the image again, too ... gotta have some fun.
Tom West

[werks prototype]

OK, I am going to muddy the waters here with a list of the Ferrari 156 illustrations that I have in my own personal index, without any of the pieces from this group added. The year and designation is just what I pulled when I was listing them, so it could actually be different, of course. There will be overlap, be assured.

Berris: 1964 Ferrari 156/64 Aero ... 1-1/2 Liter Grand Prix Racing: Whitelock. Considering ... maybe this one afterall.

Back to the mystery ...

So, that is my listing of Ferrari 156 cutaways. Anyone have any suggestions?

Time to change the image again, too ... gotta have some fun.
Tom West

There is definitely something about the Berris 'Aero' semi-monocoque Ferrari, Tom. Three of us have noticed that now (you included), so a pattern is forming. (The version of the 'Aero' that I have, unfortunately doesn't have a shadow, that would have been handy, if a little inconclusive).

Edited by werks prototype, 29 February 2012 - 02:19.

[simplebrother]

Theo Page under left bumper corner ?

Absolutely... below are two somewhat larger annotated versions with a more visible signature - clearly Theo Page in the first.



Peter

[Duc-Man]

Haven't seen this one here before. Four cylinder turbo from the Sierra/Escort Cosworth.
Artist?

[Tony Matthews]

Haven't seen this one here before. Four cylinder turbo from the Sierra/Escort Cosworth.
Artist?

Studio Collins, I think.

[Motocar]

Bristol by Robert Roux, Porsche photo engine and gearbox and Monopole chasis by Robert Roux cutaways, of the forum Autodiva.fr:
http://www.autodiva....p...69&start=40



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[Motocar]

Cutaway C.A.S.A. Heinkel He-101, the Spanish project of delta fighter studied by Ernest Heinkel in conjunction with the Spanish company CASA, to build in the fifties a fast lightweight supersonic fighter delta wing, would be powered by a Bristol Orpheus and lines denote the pursuit of speed, would be equipped with two or four 20 mm cannons and eight unguided rockets as could carry two auxiliary tanks, a few years ago I discovered the internet's sketches of the proposal with the application of the seal (secret), its design has a nose that was to house a small radar but the line is horizontal the same can not imagine the poor visibility landings, but knowing the large angles of attack required for delta wing aircraft for approach to land , together with two shots too early about the cabin that would be equipped with a lightweight ejection seat of the same model mounted on the hunt for the Folland "Gnat", the schematic section are nothing more than mere speculation as it could have been the same , with an engine one of the few certain things, like the fixed arms and tanks and rockets, the landing gear is close to that which would use, accompanying the sketches that inspired this cutaway, take as its starting point the work of Mike Badrocke MD Balzac or better known as Dassault Mirage Balzac and modified by Motocar to create the schematic section of this hunting became just a few lines on paper work. Up wich ImageShack.us



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Edited by Motocar, 02 March 2012 - 16:45.