Ferrari still have WMSC representative

http://news.bbc.co.u...ne/13669911.stm

In Todt's own words: "Stefano was there [WMSC meeting] representing the team". He is Ferrari's representative on the WMSC. Just like Todt used to be. But, oddly, the FIA's web site prefers to pretend that this isn't the case:

http://www.fia.com/E...Pages/wmsc.aspx

Hmm.....

But, oddly, the FIA's web site prefers to pretend that this isn't the case:

No it doesn't, the position is taken up either by a Ferrari representative or Cornelis

http://www.fia.com/e...s/wmsc-2010.pdf

There is a wierd arrangement whereby meetings are attended either by "Manufacturers Commission" or by a representative of Ferrari.
On this occassion it was Domenicalli on behalf of Ferrari.

There is no 'conspiracy' here, albeit you could, of course, argue about the equity of such an arrangement.

No it doesn't, the position is taken up either by a Ferrari representative or Cornelis

Ooh, subtle! Go on then, WTF is the "FIA Manufacturers Commission"?

There is a wierd arrangement whereby meetings are attended either by "Manufacturers Commission" or by a representative of Ferrari.
On this occassion it was Domenicalli on behalf of Ferrari.

There is no 'conspiracy' here, albeit you could, of course, argue about the equity of such an arrangement.

I guess it can only be described as a blatant conspiracy

Obvious, but obviously wrong.

Ooh, subtle! Go on then, WTF is the "FIA Manufacturers Commission"?

Long story, it was initially a token to placate the GPMA, not very interesting.
You're going to ask what the GPMA was now, right?

Edited by Dunder, 07 June 2011 - 21:57.

Ooh, subtle! Go on then, WTF is the "FIA Manufacturers Commission"?

all corporate entities that are directly involved in FIA regulated/controlled racing. Initially it was just the F1 manufacturers (Ferrari, Honda, Renault etc) now it's everyone EXCEPT F1 Manufacturers including petrol companies, tyre suppliers etc etc

EDIT:the actual WTF moment about the Barcelona WMSC (which voted Bahrain in) is that Abdulla Bin Khalifa participated, and voted as ... the president of the CIK ( yeah that's the International Carting Commission)

Edited by engel, 07 June 2011 - 21:59.

Long story, it was initially a token to placate the GPMA, not very interesting.
You're going to ask what the GPMA was now, right?

No, I'm going to ask where's the list of FIA Manufacturers Commission members and what do they do? (Seems very shady at the moment!)

Like the way Stefano doesn't get explicitly named, whereas everyone else is. Seems very shady (again).

all corporate entities that are directly involved in FIA regulated/controlled racing. Initially it was just the F1 manufacturers (Ferrari, Honda, Renault etc) now it's everyone EXCEPT F1 Manufacturers including petrol companies, tyre suppliers etc etc

EDIT:the actual WTF moment about the Barcelona WMSC (which voted Bahrain in) is that Abdulla Bin Khalifa participated, and voted as ... the president of the CIK ( yeah that's the International Carting Commission)

Yeah that's what I thought too when I saw that - what a blatant conflict of interest. He should have abstained, or if practical have sent someone else to vote on the CIK's behalf...

No, I'm going to ask where's the list of FIA Manufacturers Commission members and what do they do? (Seems very shady at the moment!)

Like the way Stefano doesn't get explicitly named, whereas everyone else is. Seems very shady (again).

Have a look around, the manufacturers commission is listed as one of the FIA's sporting commissions. It's purpose is to give those involved with FIA-sanctioned motorsport a forum to discuss their needs and requirements, essentially. You may well not of heard of them, but many probably don't hear about the majority of the FIA's work.

Have a look around, the manufacturers commission is listed as one of the FIA's sporting commissions.

404? Covering their trail?

404? Covering their trail?

How odd

Well this link works for me.