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Tasman Meeting Warwick Farm 12th 13th February 1972

Started by lyntonh , Aug 20 2011 14:14

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#1 lyntonh

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 14:14

Here are some of the cars practising in the wet for the Tasman race in 1972 at the Farm.

Under Shell Bridge to begin with, & then at Creek Corner.

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Mike Hailwood

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Teddy Pilette

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Warwick Brown

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David Hobbs

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Warwick Brown

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Bob Muir

Frank Radisich

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Frank Gardner

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Graham McRae

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Mike Hailwood

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Frank Matich ... on sticker fronts

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Gary Campbell understeer 1

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Gary Campbell understeer 2

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#2 Ray Bell

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 17:32

As usual, Lynton, nice stuff...

Hailwood doesn't look all that comfortable in the first pic, does he?

#3 Dale Harvey

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 23:39

Yes I agree with Ray great stuff. Gary Campbell has the rear sway bar disconnected. This is clearly visible in the second shot. This is not helping the understeer.

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 00:05

Yes I agree with Ray great stuff. Gary Campbell has the rear sway bar disconnected. This is clearly visible in the second shot. This is not helping the understeer.

Dale.

Standard practice in wet conditions. At least he can feel what is happening and in a F5000 understeer is more controllable than oversteer. Great shots!

#5 Dale Harvey

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 00:19

Standard practice in wet conditions. At least he can feel what is happening and in a F5000 understeer is more controllable than oversteer. Great shots!

Yes I understand it is standard wet weather practise, but you would probably disconnect the front as well. The car is not a F5000. It is an Elfin 600.

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#6 xj13v12

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 01:58

Yes I understand it is standard wet weather practise, but you would probably disconnect the front as well. The car is not a F5000. It is an Elfin 600.

Dale.

Maybe he did that next? There is standing water and we can only see a small part of the track. What I note is very little spray up from the wheels which means very low speed or not very wet track. My guess this was some exploratory laps. Remember how much spray was coming up from Rindt's Lotus in that great wet weather driving at the Farm. No evidence of that here. Yes Elfin 600 not F5000, my comment was more general about normal wet weather set up.

#7 eldougo

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 09:14

[quote name='lyntonh' date='Aug 21 2011, 00:14' post='5234615']
This was the first time i ever seen a Yellow Visor used only in the wet ,it thought it was cool when i seen Mike with it in the pits that day.
Then KB turned up with one at the next race and Max soon after that.
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Mike Hailwood

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Mike Hailwood

#8 Ray Bell

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 10:41

Frank Gardner used yellow goggle lenses, I'm sure in all weathers, for years...

Good point there, eldouglas.

#9 ellrosso

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 11:30

Its like putting a yellow filter on your camera shooting b/w film, especially in overcast conditions as it does give the contrast a bump in a lot of different conditions (enhance the clarity for the driver, especially when there is a lot of foliage around).
The yellow doesn't cut down the amount of light much either so is quite a good choice for a visor (a red filter for example, is much more contrasty but you have to increase your exposure some 2-3 stops to compensate so is quite "dense" by comparison)

#10 eldougo

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Posted 23 August 2011 - 09:00

They do not seem to use the yellow visors these days.I wonder why?

#11 lyntonh

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Posted 23 August 2011 - 12:07

A mixture of cars practising on the Saturday.

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David Hobbs Creek Corner

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? Esses

? Shell Bridge

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Phil Moore Shell Bridge

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Lionel Ayers Shell Bridge

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Richard Stiegler Shell Bridge

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Moss Angliss Shell Bridge

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Mel Mollison Creek Corner

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Doug Chivas Creek Corner

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#12 Paul Newby

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 00:53

I know it is a long time ago, and I wasn’t around the scene at the time, but was 1972 the peak year for F5000s in the Tasman Series?

Did it really mean much for the likes of Mike Hailwood and David Hobbs to be here? Were they hoping to offload their Surtees TS11 and McLaren M18 respectively to a local competitor?

I know that the later was a bit of a turkey, but Hailwood performed well in this Tasman – how come no Surtees were ever sold into Australia? Was it because of the Lola T300?

#13 Dale Harvey

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 03:13

? Shell Bridge

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? Shell Bridge

I think #12 would be Ray Hanger in the Rennmax and #14 is possibly Colin Hyams in the Matich SR4B. The nose on it looks a bit odd though.

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#14 Catalina Park

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 07:37

A mixture of cars practising on the Saturday.

I have the programme so if you don't object I will try and add the drivers names...

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10 David Hobbs, McLaren M22-Chev V8. Creek Corner

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39 Stephen Brook, Bowin P4a. Esses

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31 Doug Heasman, Bowin P4a. Esses

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12 Ray Hanger, Rennmax-BMW. Shell Bridge

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14 Bill O'Gorman, Matich SR5-Waggott. Shell Bridge

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9 Phil Moore, Elfin 360-Repco V8. Shell Bridge

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2 Lionel Ayers, M.R.C. Mk2-Repco V8. Shell Bridge

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35 Richard Stiegler, Honda S800. Shell Bridge

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4 Moss Angliss, Milano GT2-Holden. Shell Bridge

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2A Mel Mollison, Mazda 1300. 4A Doug Whitford Datsun 1200. Creek Corner

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30C Doug Chivas, Chrysler Charger R/T. Creek Corner

#15 lyntonh

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 07:54

ahhh, someone with a programme...thankfully you have one, my programmes were all lost over the years.

I've got several other mysteries which I will now post for your much appreciated revelation !!

Cheers, Michael

#16 lyntonh

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 12:37

A few Formula Fords...in practice & in the race....all in the Esses.

I'll post them un-captioned, to allow the names to come from those in the know.

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a couple of inches to spare...maybe?

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#17 Ray Bell

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 13:31

There's three there I can pick (without chasing details in magazines or programmes)...

7. John Leffler (Bowin P4)
3. Bob Beasley (Bowin P4)
11. Richard Carter (Hustler)

And, of course, 31 was previously identified as Doug Heasman.

But hang on there a moment... is 30 Enno? Or is 30 someone else? Is there two No 30s (note different helmets etc)?

#18 lyntonh

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 03:00

There's three there I can pick (without chasing details in magazines or programmes)...

7. John Leffler (Bowin P4)
3. Bob Beasley (Bowin P4)
11. Richard Carter (Hustler)

And, of course, 31 was previously identified as Doug Heasman.

But hang on there a moment... is 30 Enno? Or is 30 someone else? Is there two No 30s (note different helmets etc)?

My "zooming" on the original scan shows 30 is certainly E Buesselmann.

#19 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 08:05

But not in both photos...

Is it possible there's a pic here that's a ring-in from another meeting?

#20 Wirra

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 08:11

Are different helmet/visors being utilised for wet and dry?

#21 Catalina Park

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 08:28

A few Formula Fords...in practice & in the race....all in the Esses.

35 Robert Kennedy, Elfin 600 Ford

3 Bob Beasley, Bowin P4a Ford (ent. Jack Brabham Ford P./L.)

30 Enno Busselmann, Elfin 600 Ford

7 John Leffler, Bowin P4a Ford
3 Bob Beasley, Bowin P4a Ford (ent. Jack Brabham Ford P./L.)
30 Enno Busselmann, Elfin 600 Ford
11 Richard Carter, Hustler SC2 Ford

10 David Green, Morley Wren Ford (ent. Morley Ford)
Looks like 31 Doug Heasman, Bowin P4a Ford

a couple of inches to spare...maybe?
7 John Leffler, Bowin P4a Ford
Maybe? 3 Bob Beasley, Bowin P4a Ford (ent. Jack Brabham Ford P./L.)

30 Enno Busselmann, Elfin 600 Ford

32 Bill Reynolds, Wren Ford. (ent. Peter Larner)

Edited by Catalina Park, 25 August 2011 - 09:51.

#22 lyntonh

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 09:12

No ring-in photo....my negs are kept in wax sheets labelled with meeting details, dates & page numbers....& the sequence follows OK.

He's wearing a bubble visor in the bridge shot in practice, when it was patchy weather, & quite poor light.

On the Sunday, he's reverted to goggles.

Thanks for the captions again, Michael, they help with the names for a number of the lesser known cars & drivers.

#23 Catalina Park

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 09:49

Thanks for the captions again, Michael, they help with the names for a number of the lesser known cars & drivers.

Just looking again, I have stuffed up on the last one. It is 32 Bill Reynolds, Wren Ford. (ent. Peter Larner)
I will go back and change it.

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 11:15

Thanks again Lynton for the excellent photos you have shared....

Geoff

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 11:50

ahhh, someone with a programme...thankfully you have one, my programmes were all lost over the years.

I've got several other mysteries which I will now post for your much appreciated revelation !!

Cheers, Michael

Great photos of my first race meeting ,just checked all your pics with my programm and they all tie in with your description.

Thank for posting you pics

#26 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 13:24

And if anyone's interested...

Beasley got past Leffler to win, David Mingay passed Dick Carter to follow Enno home.

As for that last Wren, I really don't think that's Bill Reynolds (by this time about 70 years old) driving. More likely Larner himself. Larner isn't mentioned in the report on this race, nor is Reynolds, but is certainly mentioned the following week in the Sandown report, Rd 2 of the series.

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 10:42

Hi, I took this photo at this meeting, but don't know who it is. Catalina Park you may be able to help! He deserves some recognition.
The pic is on the entry to the first left hander after Creek Corner.

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Rod Mackenzie

#28 GMACKIE

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 11:00

Could it be [the late] Ray Lintott?

#29 Catalina Park

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 11:22

Hi, I took this photo at this meeting, but don't know who it is. Catalina Park you may be able to help! He deserves some recognition.
The pic is on the entry to the first left hander after Creek Corner.

Rod Mackenzie

Nice photo Rod!
# 23, Patrick Hogan, Lotus Elan Ford.
In the background is # 30, Ecurie Triumph, Barry Campbell Triumph TR3a.

It looks like a Sprite behind the Elan so that might be # 7, Michael Raffan, Sprite Holden but that is just a guess.

Ray Lintott had Elan number 18.

#30 Ray Bell

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 11:29

Pat Hogan had one of the Niel Allen lightweight Elans...

And yes, that's Mike Raffan behind him. He was mentioned a week or three back IIRC. No idea who's running in behind him, however.

#31 lyntonh

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 02:46

Pat Hogan had one of the Niel Allen lightweight Elans...

And yes, that's Mike Raffan behind him. He was mentioned a week or three back IIRC. No idea who's running in behind him, however.

In practice under Shell Bridge... a wild looking beast with that wing...

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He didn't finish the race....

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 12:20

An assortment of support race photos....

First, sports cars
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Lionel Ayers & Doug Macarthur

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Ron Gillard in Pat Peck's Torana, Wayne Rogerson, ? & ?

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Bill Fanning

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and again...

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Colin Bond, Alan Moffat, Doug Chivas, Fred Gibson

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Doug Chivas

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Leo Geoghegan & Peter Brock

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Panel Beating no: 1 Don Holland

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Panel Beating no: 2 Graham Moore

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Alan Moffat, Doug Chivas & ?

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Posted 03 September 2011 - 13:22

An assortment of support race photos....

Alan Moffat, Doug Chivas & ?

About the only one I can help with this time is #41C Courtesy Motors, Martin Chenery Chrysler Charger R/T

#34 lyntonh

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 12:54

The main race....

Frank Matich
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Bob Muir, Graham McRae
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Mike Hailwood, Max Stewart, John McCormack
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Bob Muir, Mike Hailwood, Graham McCrae
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Mike Hailwood, Bob Muir, Graham McCrae
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Frank Gardner, Kevin Bartlett
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Bob Muir...closer up for those interested in some detail...
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Frank Gardner
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Posted 25 September 2011 - 11:30

I know it is a long time ago, and I wasn’t around the scene at the time, but was 1972 the peak year for F5000s in the Tasman Series?
Did it really mean much for the likes of Mike Hailwood and David Hobbs to be here? Were they hoping to offload their Surtees TS11 and McLaren M18 respectively to a local competitor?

I know that the later was a bit of a turkey, but Hailwood performed well in this Tasman – how come no Surtees were ever sold into Australia? Was it because of the Lola T300?

Paul...I was there and it was a huge huge meeting....biggest? don't know..

I think it did mean a lot to some of these drivers....why else would they travel half way around the world when it was no where near as easy as it is today...

I was fascinated by the efforts of Mike the Bike.... the car was at all sorts of angles with Mike trying to control it ...

Maybe the Surtees just weren't for sale being from a relativly specialised team?

#36 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 17:05

It would have been for sale...

Surtees were in the business of manufacturing racing cars, customers were good things to them. But I would suggest that the Frank Gardner influence would have meant a lot here, so Lola were better represented in an area where there would have been very few buyers each year.

Sorry, Paul, I missed your post previously. You would be close, though I'd have to think about it... the Tasman Cup came to an end in '75, so the series was held six times for F5000 cars. In the first, the series was won by a 2.5-litre car, '71 was the year of the M10B, very little else had a look in.

But I would think '73 would have been more diverse. Just which one was the 'peak' is very hard to say without taking some time to properly analyse things.

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 08:32

I was at Warwick Farm that weekend and vividly recall Hailwood full blast through the esses, taking two or three grabs at each corner, no smooth arc from Mike the Bike!

The Tasman Series lost its mojo when Warwick Farm was lost from the series (after the '73 round) and Matich retired (post Tasman in early '74).

From '70 - '73 the series was really all about the grudge match between Matich and McRae.

#38 Ray Bell

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 11:11

And how about the way he was the only one to go down through each while braking for Creek?

Sounded fantastic!

I have to agree that the series dulled down a bit with the loss of the Farm. It was never the same at Oran Park, but we got used to it.

Of course, that '73 Farm race saw the raw conclusion of the McRae/Matich grudge matches when Frank went around the outside of McRae into Paddock during the race and left him to sort out his visibility in his roostertail.