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2012 FIA/ACO World Endurance Championship

Started by Victor_RO , Nov 12 2011 06:22

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#101 Victor_RO

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 19:19

In other news, Lucas di Grassi will race for Audi alongside McNish and TK at Interlagos. PR stunt or driver evaluation for next year, I wonder? (di Grassi was reported to have been signed up by Peugeot before they pulled out)

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 03:15

Toyota has made some sort of double endplate.

For the moment we haven't contemplated what language they've used to convince the ACO this is legal.

http://www.mulsannes...newsjuly12.html

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http://lemansprototypes.over-blog.it/

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http://www.toyotahyb...n...&gallery=47

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#103 TimRTC

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 12:31

Intervals of very heavy rain here at Silverstone. Anyone's guess what it is going to be like for qualifying this afternoon.

#104 pingu666

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 13:43

long endplates on that crafty rear wing assembly

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 15:42

Pascal Vasselon:

The first, and perhaps most obvious, point put to Vasselon was a simple one. How are the rear winglets legal?

“It is simple – it’s not a rear wing,” he grins. “The rear wing is as per the regulations, what you see on the side… It’s just the wheelarch.”

“It’s just, I would say, a clever understanding of the regulations. We must have openings on the wheels, so we have designed a wheel arch that means, when the hole is open, it looks like that. Simple. It is just doing things differently. When you open the wheelarch, it has the shape you see. The ‘winglets’ you see are the rearward part of the wheelarch. Nothing prevents you from adding a second endplate.”

Does the winglet touch the main rear wing’s endplate?

“Yes, they touch. The wheelarch is connected to the endplate. You have the rear wing, with its endplates, then the wheelarch, then a second endplate. It is one structure, all across the rear end of the car. We have just been playing with how wide the trailing gauge of the wheelarch is. It is unusual, but legal. A clever reading of the rule, doing things which are possible.”

http://lendurance.co...ascal-vasselon/

Edited by Meanstreak, 25 August 2012 - 15:45.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 15:48

When did LMP aerodynamics turn into F1 circa 2007?

#107 Victor_RO

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 15:50

When did LMP aerodynamics turn into F1 circa 2007?

Since TMG got down to the task of developing a LMP car.

#108 Meanstreak

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 22:59

Silverstone race starts 12:00 UK time (countdown due timezone confusions...)

Official & Audi streaming (likely the same feed):

http://live.fiawec.com
http://www.dailymoti...m/user/fiawec/1
^ http://www.dailymoti...a-wec-live_auto
^ http://www.dailymoti...ec-onboard_auto
http://tv.audi.de
http://www.audi-liveracing.com

Spotter guide: http://www.spotterguides.com/2012-wec/

Edited by Meanstreak, 25 August 2012 - 23:42.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 12:19

toyota leading

#110 V8 Fireworks

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 13:49

Very clever with the "wheelarch"

Even non-winning F1 teams are full of clever chaps.

I imagine Mercedes GP could also be very competitive too reborn as a LMP constructor without pesky rivals like Red Bull and Ferrari!

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 13:53

Toyota joins the WEC:

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#112 TimRTC

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 14:11

For anyone watching on TV and seeing a lot of empty grandstands, it is because they are mostly closed off. No Becketts no Stowe no National etc. etc.

Seems very daft considering the high volume of people here and that all tickets are roving anyway so no need for extra security.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 17:45

Nice to see Toyota building up their efforts, I presume next year their going to run an evolution of the TS030 with the powertrain issues fixed, and on the development curve they're on they should be very competitive, with a bigger push with an established team for the new regulations in 2014.

On a related note the rumours suggesting a Honda works effort for next year are presumably just to get operations in place for development of a 2014 car, so have to wonder if they will bother with a new car or develop the current CFD only HPD car for 2013. Equally with Honda having sold their F1 facilities to Brawn you have to wonder where they'll base their development efforts - Toyota use their F1 tunnel, and Audi use the Sauber tunnel - will Honda look at renting a tunnel from a F1 team with multiple tunnels, whether their old second tunnel at Brackley, or the McLaren Applied Technology tunnel? If other rumours are true (F1 engine supply return) they may even start a more formal relationship with McLaren.

Edited by onewingedangel, 26 August 2012 - 21:07.

#114 Victor_RO

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 17:47

Honda's efforts at this moment, as far as I'm aware, still actually operate (centrally) from the Honda Performance Development division in California. And from Wirth Research.

#115 pingu666

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 20:25

well the hpd has performed very well considering its a private open top car, muscle milk car in usa is way faster than the lola mazda with dunlops, and im fairly sure its chassis or tyre thats the difference

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 02:32

well the hpd has performed very well considering its a private open top car, muscle milk car in usa is way faster than the lola mazda with dunlops, and im fairly sure its chassis or tyre thats the difference

what

#117 Risil

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Posted 15 September 2012 - 18:49

Not a lot of love for the Sao Paulo round in this thread. Toyota -- excluding fuel consumption worries -- look like they're on the verge of making a significant piece of history.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 02:15

Interlagos WEC: Toyota Defeats Audi In Only It's Third Race
15 September 2012

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Toyota claimed its first FIA World Endurance Championship victory at only the third time of asking with an emphatic performance at the Sao Paulo 6 Hours.

The solo Toyota TS030 Hybrid driven by Nicolas Lapierre and Alex Wurz held the upper hand over the two Audi R18s throughout the race on the way to a one-minute victory.

Full Article: Autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102589

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 02:20

#120 Dispenser89

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 02:50

Toyota. A win so soon. Very nice!

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 02:57

I need to pay better attention - didn't even realise this race was on.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 05:16

Congratulation Toyota!!! :up:

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 05:22

I need to pay better attention - didn't even realise this race was on.

Neil

unfortunately there is not much coverage I think,
it's a interesting event and you can watch it for free on the official website and auditv

congratulations to Toyota, that was a really strong performance since the practices,

Edited by SPBHM, 16 September 2012 - 05:23.

#124 midgrid

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 10:42

This augurs well for a full-scale battle next year.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 10:48

unfortunately there is not much coverage I think,

Eurosport were covering it live although it was not well publicised. I came across it entirely by accident.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 14:40

I need to pay better attention - didn't even realise this race was on.

Neil

The race events were reported on the home page of Autosport. If you skip that to go straight to the forum you're gonna miss a lot of things.

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Posted 16 September 2012 - 19:57

#128 Woody3says

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 02:02

What an outstanding result in just their third race. Toyota gave Audi a comprehensive defeat all around. Trouble free run and they only lost the lead at the pitstops. Audi Quattro is a must for their marketing, but it looks like Toyota has them now in all but the wet on the hybrid side of the game. Expecting a BIG push back in the desert.....Ingolstad sure must have gotten a shakeup call after this weekend.

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 11:17

Is that photoshopped? Nobody has a head that big, even after winning a race.

Toyota were lucky with the safety car, would they have won otherwise?

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 11:27

unfortunately there is not much coverage I think,

It was LIVE on 2 stations in the UK.......

#131 Victor_RO

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Posted 17 September 2012 - 12:56

Toyota were lucky with the safety car, would they have won otherwise?

Yes. Just re-listened to the race today, they gained 3 laps on a stint of fuel and about 15 seconds on the lead gap, but they won by about 65 seconds. Without the SC it would have been closer, but the Toyota would probably have still won.

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Posted 18 September 2012 - 23:41

Toyota were lucky with the safety car, would they have won otherwise?

Yes, Definitely. The gap was around 15-20sec between the Toyota and the first Audi before the Safety car. The SC entered between the two cars and then the gap was around 40-45sec (half a lap).
In the end, Toyota won with a 1min gap but Audi was more than a lap down before Toyota did a quick stop for fuel 10 or 15min before the end

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 02:08

Audi have responded by dropping the Ultra and are going to send 2 E-Trons to Bahrain.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 03:12

Audi have responded by dropping the Ultra and are going to send 2 E-Trons to Bahrain.

Haha, I love it. The fight is on. :smoking:

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 08:18

Haha, I love it. The fight is on.

Good that they're in fighting spirit after Peugot's shock announcement. Good to see the season ending on a high note.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 11:17

Setting up to make for an excellent battle in '13. Hopefully these two can keep the fight on track and not arguing over the rule balance. Still think Toyota should have kept the red/white livery! Blue for hybrid, got it. At least they could have made it blue with black. That would be a sharp looking car then (and not keep screaming PUG lol)

How exciting would it be if the Glickenhaus Ferrari prototype comes through and hits the track as well?!?!?

http://www.racecar-e...ican-privateer/

Edited by Woody3says, 19 September 2012 - 11:19.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 11:28

I'm big fan of P4/5 already and that Glickenhaus project would be great indeed - however as it would have no official Ferrari support whatsoever it's destiny would be to scramble in the middle of privateer-petrol-non-hybrid-P1 field which isn't particularly healthy or gets any meaningful coverage. And ACO rules are designed to make sure that the privateers are in disavantage... even the 2014 ones

Hopefully they get the funding together thou, on those illustrations the car looks AMAZING - just as the P4/5

Edited by SonnyViceR, 19 September 2012 - 11:32.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 12:48

Pity it will be axed like the Stratos

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 14:20

Audi have responded by dropping the Ultra and are going to send 2 E-Trons to Bahrain.

Oh. Rather inauspicious end of the diesel era in sports prototype racing, then. Almost... quiet. :smoking:

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 15:14

The R18 hybrids are diesels too... so end of nothing. Also, on the official FIA Bahrain entry list is still shows the second car as Ultra so maybe EI knows something we don't.

Anyway, I'm thinking of boycotting Bahrain - for obvious reasons. Just because it's not GP does not make it any less dirty. Yes it's not used as a direct political tool but that's because you would never get the same amount of publicity with sportscars

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 16:15

Just had to quote for such a pretty lady :love:

The sharkfin on that actually doesnt look THAT bad either

Shush yourself already

Give them a chance! If the car comes about, and it has any pace to it, who knows what Luca might do........

FIA entry still shows 1 and 1, but http://www.lemansliv...ros-for-Bahrain

Edited by Woody3says, 19 September 2012 - 16:16.

#142 Option1

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 18:01

I'm sorry, but when the very first thing you see looking at that sketch is the sharkfin, then it is very clearly an aesthetic abomination.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 18:15

I'm sorry, but when the very first thing you see looking at that sketch is the sharkfin, then it is very clearly an aesthetic abomination.

Neil

This is the first car where the fin isn't what I see first. The Audi and Toyota look funny with it. I see a face on this girl with those long, soft eyes and grill lips :lol:

I'd rather ax the fin altogether though so I hear you :smoking:

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 19:01

The R18 hybrids are diesels too... so end of nothing. Also, on the official FIA Bahrain entry list is still shows the second car as Ultra so maybe EI knows something we don't.

Oh, okay. I'm not particularly well-informed about sports car racing 2012. As you can see.

Anyway, I'm thinking of boycotting Bahrain - for obvious reasons. Just because it's not GP does not make it any less dirty. Yes it's not used as a direct political tool but that's because you would never get the same amount of publicity with sportscars

There won't be any government campaigns proclaiming the country to be UniF1ed, at least. Although the timing of the Six Hours to coincide with the implementation of human rights reforms, which are either going along swimmingly or feet-draggingly. Take your pick.

Or alternatively, you could consider the opinion of the upper house of the Bahraini National Assembly, entirely picked by the King:

The council added that setting up a human rights ministry has undoubtedly proved Bahrain's keenness to tackle any human rights violations.

It hailed the strenuous efforts made by Bahrain's delegation and their success in highlighting the truths and evidences about the situation in Bahrain wisely, objectively and competently.

This success, the council said, has been able to change the false image given about Bahrain and debunk allegations aimed at tarnishing Bahrain's reputation and its prestigious international status in protecting human rights and freedoms.

(Lebanon Daily Star; Gulfnews.com; Bahrain News Agency)

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 19:47

Hopefully they get the funding together thou, on those illustrations the car looks AMAZING - just as the P4/5

And it looks like a Ferrari.

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Posted 19 September 2012 - 20:42

And it looks like a Ferrari.

That's because it's looks remarkably much like the P4/5, but in P1 form. And P4/5 is basically a modification of the Ferrari F430

But as I said, Ferrari itself will have NOTHING to do with this.

Edited by SonnyViceR, 19 September 2012 - 20:43.

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Posted 20 September 2012 - 06:06

Wow, if that car races against Porsche in LMP1 in 2014, I'd kill* somebody to watch the race at the track!

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Obviously I would not harm anybody, it's just an expression

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Posted 25 September 2012 - 13:32

Confirmed at last. An e-tron for McNish and Kristensen. Great result last week for Toyota but, could they have done it without, what should be, an illegal rear wing. Wheel arch indeed.

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 11:06

About 25 mins left till the 2013 schedule announcement :clap:

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Posted 28 September 2012 - 11:53

2013 Calendar

14 April // 6 Hours of Silverstone
04 May // 6 Hours of Spa-Francorchamps
22/23 June // 24 Heures du Mans
24 August // 6 Hours of Sao Paulo
22 September // 6 Hours of Austin (ALMS separately on Saturday)
20 October // 6 Hours of Fuji
10 November // 6 Hours of Shanghai
30 November // 6 Hours of Bahrain

Not too surprising but IMO very disappointing... mostly dull tracks again and no 12h events, plus that stupíd 2 month summer break is still there. I almost forgot that there even was a world championship this year after that ridiculous gap after LM... Wish they had gone to HTTT too.

Only really looking forward to Spa and Le Mans but that has nothing to do with the championship

Edited by SonnyViceR, 28 September 2012 - 12:03.

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