Nurburgring 1950 Rheinland race
#1
Posted 23 November 2011 - 18:54
http://wsrp.ic.cz/gerscc1950.html
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#2
Posted 23 November 2011 - 22:09
#3
Posted 23 November 2011 - 22:59
..assuming they listed entrants. Not all organisers didAs it was a support race for the German Grand Prix the information will be in a programme for the meeting.
#4
Posted 23 November 2011 - 23:21
#5
Posted 24 November 2011 - 09:25
#6
Posted 24 November 2011 - 09:47
But Bjorn, surely you don't want me to open a fresh thread to comment on the drivers competing in the race in the thread title? Which thread would people need to open in the future?To get on with it , I need a program then . Has anyone a program , please ?
#7
Posted 24 November 2011 - 10:19
..assuming they listed entrants. Not all organisers did
Well, one might doubt that perhaps for the British GP...
In Germany there was a programme for every little round-the-houses-race. Selling them was a way for the organizers to make some additional money...
But you have of course to look for the correct event. I never found reference to anything like a race called "Rheinland-Pokal" in 1950, always only the description as "Internationales Sportwagenrennen im Rahmen des Großen Preis von Deutschland", which means it would have been a more or less "nameless" race in an event which was called "Großer Preis von Deutschland" as a whole.
The weekend consisted of the Formula 2 race, supported by a Formula 3 / Kleinstrennwagen and a sports car race, which was itself divided into three classes (1100 cc, 1500 cc and 2000 cc), starting from separate grids with a time distance. This makes it more complicate to decide whether it was a single race or three different races run at the same time.
Therefore at the end it was quite a sensation and perhaps a little bit unnerving to the crowd to see Trintignant in his Gordini (from the 1500 cc category) chasing Rieß in the 2 litre Veritas down the line, making up almost 3 minutes. Also very impressive must have been Manzon with his 1100 cc Gordini being only two seconds slower in practise than Trintignant and faster than all the 2 liter cars.
2000 cc category
Pos No. Driver Car Entrant Laps Time Practise Time 1 20 Fritz Rieß (D) Veritas-BMW RS 9 1:52'18.0 6 12'27.1 2 36 Karl-Günther Bechem (D) BMW 328 9 1:53'17.3 4 12'19.9 3 38 Kurt Adolff (D) Veritas-BMW RS 9 1:54'56.0 5 12'19.0 4 30 Jacques Swaters (B) Veritas-BMW RS 9 1:56'58.0 13 13'25.6 5 14 Per-Gunnar Wahlberg (S) BMW 328 9 1:57'26.3 15 13'54.1 6 4 Peter Staechlin (CH) Ferrari 166 MM 9 1:57'42.0 7 12'32.2 7 8 Cos van der Tuyn (NL) Cotura-BMW 9 1:59'13.8 12 13'23.1 8 16 René Simone (F) D.B. Automobiles Deutsch&Bonnet 9 2:02'22.1 11 13'20.8 9 26 Willi Krakau (D) BMW 328 9 2:04'58.4 16 14'01.5 10 37 Yvonne Simone (F) Ferrari 166 MM 8 1:54'02.2 17 14'17.9 11 24 Theo Helfrich (D) Veritas-BMW RS 8 1:54'42.8 1 11'49.4 12 34 Arthur Rosenhammer (D) ARO-Veritas 8 18 Retired: DNF 10 Johann Westhof (NL) Veritas-BMW RS 3 14 DNF 12 André Pilette (B) Veritas-BMW RS 3 10 DNF 18 Toni Ulmen (D) Veritas-BMW RS 2 3 DNF 28 Walter Assenheimer (D) BMW-Eigenbau (Touring) 2 8 DNF 32 Helmut Niedermayr (D) Reif-BMW 0 2 DNF 2 Willy Daetwyler (CH) BMW 328 (Touring) Hans Waeffler 9 Did not appear: DNA 6 Kurt Halter (CH) Veritas-BMW RS DNA 22 Fritzgeorg Martin (D) Veritas-BMW RS DNA 39 Fred Widenmeyer (D) BMW
1500 cc category
1 54 Maurice Trintignant (F) Simca-Gordini Equipe Gordini 9 1:49'18.1 2 12'02.0 2 42 Helm Glöckler (D) Veritas-BMW RS 9 1:56'13.8 5 13'13.0 3 40 Hans Schuler (CH) Veritas-BMW RS 9 2:04'37.1 4 13'11.7 4 52 Willy Spindler (D) Neumaier-BMW Spezial 7 1:54'32.0 7 14'04.0 Retired: DNF 44 Paul Pietsch (D) Veritas-BMW RS 4 1 11'36.6 DNF 50 Hermann Kathrein (D) BMW (Neumaier) 2 6 13'16.6 DNF 48 William Lucas (USA) Expediter 0 8 15'15.4 DNF 56 "Ernst Ring" (D) Veritas-BMW RS 0 3 12'24.2 Did not appear: DNA 46 Hanns Roth (D) Veritas-BMW RS
1100 cc category
1 100 Robert Manzon (F) Simca-Gordini Equipe Gordini 9 1:53'31.0 1 12'04.5 2 60 Elie Bayol (F) D.B. Automobiles Deutsch&Bonnet 9 1:54'39.1 3 12'52.4 3 66 Walter Glöckler (D) VW Eigenbau 9 1:59'24.3 5 13'10.8 4 86 Huschke von Hanstein (D) Petrix-VW-Eigenbau 9 2:00'47.8 6 13'01.3 5 70 Richard Trenkel (D) VW-Eigenbau 9 2:01'00.6 4 13'16.2 6 98 Hans Finke (D) VW-Eigenbau 9 2:03'45.8 8 13'42.4 7 62 Michel Aunaud (F) D.B. Automobiles Deutsch&Bonnet 9 2:06'33.0 12 14'10.0 8 84 Petermax Müller (D) VW-Eigenbau 9 2:06'49.6 11 14'02.5 9 88 Paul Dübbers (D) AF 8 1:53'00.4 13 14'14.6 10 90 Rolf Gschwend (CH) Crosmobile Ecurie Crosmobile 8 2:00'46.8 18 15'43.4 11 92 Fritz Feierabend (CH) Crosmobile Ecurie Crosmobile 8 2:04'39.8 19 15'56.5 retired: DNF 78 Gustav Hennig (D) AFM 5 2 12'41.2 DNF 64 Maurizio Crivelli (CH) Mille Miglia 4 9 13'58.8 DNF 76 Willy von Müller (D) Fiat/AFM 3 16 15'20.2 DNF 80 Frits van Erp (D) AFM 2 20 16'15.6 DNF 82 Gottfried Vollmer (D) VW-Spezial 1 7 13'21.0 DNF 104 Erich Lüttkemaas (D) AFM 1 17 15'35.6 DNF 72 Alex von Falkenhausen (D) AFM 0 10 13'59.0 DNF 94 Oviedo Bernasconi (CH) Crosmobile Ecurie Crosmobile 0 14 14'55.2 DNF 68 Josef Kulzer (D) Fiat 0 15 15'03.2 Did not appear: DNA 74 Helmut Polensky (D) Fidelitas DNA 96 Jean Wagner (CH) Crosmobile Ecurie Crosmobile
Edited by uechtel, 24 November 2011 - 13:40.
#8
Posted 24 November 2011 - 10:22
#9
Posted 24 November 2011 - 11:37
Well, one might doubt that perhaps for the British GP...
In Germany there was a programme for every little round-the-houses-race. Selling them was a way for the organizers to make some additional money...
I didn't doubt for a moment that there would have been a programme. What I was saying was that not all programmes, at that time, listed entrants as well as drivers
#10
Posted 24 November 2011 - 11:54
Anyway most entries in Germany at that time were usually self entrants. For the rare cases when there were other entrants there was not usually a separate column, but it was noted like
"Scuderia ABS:
Diver Mr. X"
#11
Posted 24 November 2011 - 12:28
[codebox]Pos No. Driver Car Entrant Laps Time Practice Time
1 20 Fritz Rieß (D) Veritas-BMW RS 9 1:52'18.0 6 12'27.1[/codebox]
#12
Posted 24 November 2011 - 19:45
#13
Posted 25 November 2011 - 08:27
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Posted 25 November 2011 - 09:09
#15
Posted 25 November 2011 - 09:10
Swaters and Pilette would be in Ec.Belgique Veritas cars.
Probably, but they had not entered like this, according to the programme.
#16
Posted 27 November 2011 - 00:43