Yea, thats BS.
OK parallel universes and stuff it is.
Posted 19 March 2012 - 15:55
Yea, thats BS.
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 15:58
Ferrari are not some small, poor team that doesn't have the resources to support two drivers properly. Your argument sucks.OK parallel universes and stuff it is.
Posted 19 March 2012 - 16:48
I don't understand this argument. In which way what you have described in points 1 and 2 means that Alonso has massive advantage? As far as I know, they work on improving the F2012, which is the same car for both at this point. They can put in a piece here and there during Friday frees, but they will not put everything new only in one car for the whle season.
What I saw on Melbourne is a very "meaningful comparison between the #1 and #2".
Posted 22 March 2012 - 12:22
Posted 22 March 2012 - 12:50
Let's see if I can explain. The car behaves badly, so they make changes for it to behave less badly - using Alonso's telemetry data and input to correct the problems. This means Alonso's problems are getting solved by the team. Only after that Massa is given the car to set up to his liking - he can't simply use the same settings as he's not Alonso clone and has a different way to drive. This in turn will most often lead to bad result as the setup window of tricky cars is very narrow and the optimal setup in this case is Alonso's setup.
Posted 22 March 2012 - 14:17
Ferrari are not some small, poor team that doesn't have the resources to support two drivers properly. Your argument sucks.
Posted 23 March 2012 - 22:48
Edited by Devero, 23 March 2012 - 22:49.
Posted 24 March 2012 - 03:36
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 08:46
Close this thread please. This is a no contest.
Posted 24 March 2012 - 08:47
Posted 24 March 2012 - 09:16
4 tenths, like last year.
Posted 24 March 2012 - 18:54
Well for what ever reason Ferrari has had a tendency to field only one competitive car and driver regardless of their vast resources.
Posted 24 March 2012 - 18:56
Its not their fault if one driver is considerably better than the other.Well for what ever reason Ferrari has had a tendency to field only one competitive car and driver regardless of their vast resources.
Posted 24 March 2012 - 19:21
Its not their fault if one driver is considerably better than the other.
Posted 24 March 2012 - 19:23
Who was a better driver in 2009?
Posted 24 March 2012 - 20:07
Haven't we heard this a million times, Alonso never has the best car, even we he joins historic teams with the biggest budgets who always wins championships. But he always, well atleast almost always beats his teammates, if we disregard the only season when he was on equal terms with his teammate and lost to a rookie.Those who considers that Alonso & Hamilton had the best car back in 2007 (=Ham in 2008 vs. Kimi/Massa) must subsequently aknowledge the fact that both Kimi & Massa were better drivers than the formers.
Looking at the "rivalry" between Felipe and Fernando starting from 2010 as well as previous achievments of both I am getting amuzed&puzzled more and more.
Posted 25 March 2012 - 00:47
When are people going to start realising that Alonso will not win another WDC unless the other competitors will line up with trucks?
And beating teammates, please, how hard is that when your teammate is not only handcuffed but also blindfolded due to teamorders?
Posted 25 March 2012 - 01:40
Thats precisely the point. Ferrari can take care of two drivers. Sometimes, one of the drivers is just better than the other, though. People want to point at the team and blame them for that and its completely unfair.Who was a better driver in 2009?
Edited by Seanspeed, 25 March 2012 - 01:42.
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 11:18
Yes, the debate is useless. The only reason Flippy drives the No6 car is because someone has to. It used to be somewht fun to mock Whiner-baby for his erratic driving but not anymore. That was so bad showing that I cannot remember ever seeing such. Bye bye!!I believe this thread is useless right now... Nothing to discuss at the moment. Time to close it. Period.
Posted 25 March 2012 - 11:20
Rosberg just this morning ?That was so bad showing that I cannot remember ever seeing such.
Posted 25 March 2012 - 11:22
Not even close. Nico did not try to push overtakers out of the track. He was quite bad TBH nevertheless.Rosberg just this morning ?
Posted 25 March 2012 - 11:40
Posted 25 March 2012 - 11:43
Haven't we heard this a million times, Alonso never has the best car, even we he joins historic teams with the biggest budgets who always wins championships. But he always, well atleast almost always beats his teammates, if we disregard the only season when he was on equal terms with his teammate and lost to a rookie.
Whatever happened to the most truthful and acknowledge fact that Alonso is the best development driver in F1. Wherever he goes the team wins due to his amazing skills. It's never the car but the superiour skills of Alonsos car building talent that makes the difference. We haven't heard that in a while, have we, but we're still hearing that it's all Alonso and Alonso alone that makes the difference, even if it's in a different disquise. When will this misconception of Alonso beeing such a great driver end? For god sake the only WDC on the grid who won his last WDC later than Alonso is the +40 year old Schumacher. Since Alonso won his last WDC there has been 4 new WDC and counting and it's not like Alonso's been in midfield teams.
When are people going to start realising that Alonso will not win another WDC unless the other competitors will line up with trucks?
And beating teammates, please, how hard is that when your teammate is not only handcuffed but also blindfolded due to teamorders?
But hey, let us all join hands and already now vote him the driver of the year! And if Ferrari can order Massa to intentionally crash in Singapore perhaps we should start lobbying for people to acknowledge Alonso beeing the greatest driver in the history of F1 since he's won on a drivers track like Singapore 3 times.
Posted 25 March 2012 - 11:47
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 14:14
Edited by pikamoku, 25 March 2012 - 14:14.
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Posted 25 March 2012 - 17:04
Not even close. Nico did not try to push overtakers out of the track. He was quite bad TBH nevertheless.
Posted 27 March 2012 - 14:46
Driver of the day (as much as I love Perez, the Sauber is a better car) vs Worst Driver of the day (Grosjean deserves some slack, despite punting Schumi). You couldn't make it up. Probably thr most irrelevant thread ever.
Posted 27 March 2012 - 14:49
Posted 27 March 2012 - 14:58
Those who considers that Alonso & Hamilton had the best car back in 2007 (=Ham in 2008 vs. Kimi/Massa) must subsequently aknowledge the fact that both Kimi & Massa were better drivers than the formers.
Looking at the "rivalry" between Felipe and Fernando starting from 2010 as well as previous achievments of both I am getting amuzed&puzzled more and more.
Posted 27 March 2012 - 15:17
In all honesty, I think Massa will beat Alonso this season.
Posted 08 September 2012 - 13:03