Greg Mills and Howden Ganley
Greg Mills is the author of many great books - including those on Tony Maggs , John Love , Sam Tingle.
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Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:54
Re BRM type numbers: I'm sticking my head above the parapet expecting to get shot down, but this is my understanding:
'P15' and 'P25' are incorrect. The correct designations are Type 15 (15 indicating 1.5 litres) and Type 25 (25 indicating 2.5 litres). In BRM Vol 1 Sir Douglas usually refers to 'V16 Mark I' and V16 Mark II'. The Mark II 'sprint car ' was Project 30 so presumably 'P30' is correct.
The Type 25 chassis was P27 and the engine P25.
The P261 is the generally accepted shorthand for 'P61 Mk 2'.
Over to the experts ...
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Posted 09 October 2012 - 12:16
Nothing It followed on from P115, the last of the H16s. The three P126 chassis were built for BRM by Len Terry's Transatlantic Automotive Consultants. When BRM built their own versions they were designated P133, and these were followed in BRM's F1 hierarchy by the P138 and P139.So what was 126 short hand for ?
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Posted 09 October 2012 - 12:52
Nothing It followed on from P115, the last of the H16s. The three P126 chassis were built for BRM by Len Terry's Transatlantic Automotive Consultants. When BRM built their own versions they were designated P133, and these were followed in BRM's F1 hierarchy by the P138 and P139.
Posted 09 October 2012 - 12:59
The leaders scream down to Delaines on the first lap, braking from around 140mph for the second gear hairpin.....:
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Howden Ganley chats with Tony Southgate (and wife Sue?).
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This is what Howden thought when he saw the BRM P 160 coming toward him.
" I was a bit surprised to find that P160 coming toward me . Note the picture of us passing !
Apparently he was released onto the road by ' mistake ' !! We both managed to swerve in time !!!
Posted 09 October 2012 - 18:45
The sounds, smells and vibrations running up through your feet (especially with the stack exhaust pipe car) were unforgettable.
Any chance of a 60th bash ?
Did anyone have problems getting out of Raymond Mays Way Park & Ride - it was a wee bit slippery when I left ?
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The Scirocco-BRM
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Posted 09 October 2012 - 20:34
Thanks Ralph, but in case anyone still has doubts, here's what Doug has posted here on the subject in the past:EDIT IGNORE THIS QUESTION TIM HAS ALREADY ANSWERED IT IN A PREVIOUS POST !
Dave - I think I told you that story about the Dutch GP winning car - like, between ourselves, mate...
I don't think the story really stood up to scrutiny when I double-checked it. But a good mischievous mechanic's story nonetheless, one of millions...
Even if the car's identity had been in REAL doubt - and it was certainly '258' in my mind* - there is no doubt that Spencer's car was the sole BRM-built genuine survivor of the type - as (I fear) the magnesium fire at Phillip Island has so sickeningly confirmed.
And I emphasise it should be 'Type 25' NOT 'P'25 as has become normal useage...and as I have written myself before I learned the error of my ways...for which, again, I apologise to all.
Karl - whose serious work I so hugely admire, having prefaced my very first letter to him long ago with the words "if a cat can look at a King...", which I really meant - deserves the credit for pointing out to us all, way back when, that 'W163' was a misnomer for the 'W154' Mercedes-Benz fitted with 'M163' engine under the marque's 1939 bodyform.
Well in my minor way I'm preaching Type 25 instead of P25 where BRMs are concerned.
This is because BRM Project 25 was, strictly speaking, the basic 2 1/2-litre 4-cyl engine project.
The 2 1/2-litre chassis as originated in 1954-55 was the Project 27.
The first five cars built used semi-monocoque stressed-skin panelled centre sections. They were nicknamed 'The Over-Stressed Skin Specials' by the team. They were then replaced by an evolutionary multi-tubular chassis structure with all-detachable body panels - apart from the spoon-shaped semi-stressed undertray - which retained the Project 27 internal classification, though v. different from the original design under that number.
The cars - assembled from P25 engine and P27 chassis frame - should properly be referred to as the 'Type 25'.
In period, they were known by most people as neither P25, nor P27, nor PS, PT, PTFE nor Type anything...they were just 'the BRM' or 'the 4-cylinder BRM' or 'the 2 1/2-litre BRM'.
Fans like us just didn't develop anoraksia nervosa over type numbers then.
I think I was one of the very first ever to quote 'BT' Brabham type designations in print, in an F2 review in 'Motor Racing' magazine, I think in 1964. Until that time Lotus digital model numbers or '250F' were about the only ones that were at all familiar...check the magazine record to see... Coopers tended to be described as 'Lowline' or '1959-type'....the internal model classifications T43, T51, T53, T53P were first exposed, publicised and then adopted by 'us' years after the cars were current.
*I first saw '258' on display in the Montagu Motor Museum at Beaulieu around 1960-61, with a perspex engine cover permitting sight of the works beneath. When I examined it thoroughly prior to its sale by Christie's in 1981 the only chassis identity was '27/3' lightly stamped low down into one frame tube in the cockpit. Think about it - new Type 27 multi-tubular spaceframe chassis number '3'. '251' to '255' had been stressed-skin cars, so '256', '257' and '258' were the first, second and third tube-frame versions...i.e. '27/3'. Magnesium alloy - elektron - body. Lovely jubbly... but not, I fear, any more...
I hope this clarifies some of these matters.
DCN
And...of course...termination of employment was marked by a P45...
BUT the P25 was the 4-cylinder 2 1/2-litre engine project - the chassis propelled by that engine were built under the P27 heading - BUT the combination complete car was the BRM TYPE 25...as previously explained here.
DCN
One of these quotes comes from this thread, which may be of interest:Sorry fellers - I was one of the first to start using the 'P25' designation but I was also the first to appreicate I'd cocked it up. The chassis design was allocated P27, the engine only was P25. The overall car combination of P25 engine and P27 chassis then became the 'Type 25' 2.5-litre Fomrula 1 car.
Pedantry lives.
NCD
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My home video of Sunday's events. It's a bit shaky, but I think you'll enjoy the soundtrack!
I did manage to capture a bit of a "moment" in North Street, when a P153 met a P160 (I think) travelling in the opposite direction, outside Smith's (named after my family's grocery business).
What a great day - congratulations to all involved in the organisation and running of the event.
Posted 10 October 2012 - 19:32
My home video of Sunday's events. It's a bit shaky, but I think you'll enjoy the soundtrack!
I did manage to capture a bit of a "moment" in North Street, when a P153 met a P160 (I think) travelling in the opposite direction, outside Smith's (named after my family's grocery business).
What a great day - congratulations to all involved in the organisation and running of the event.
Posted 11 October 2012 - 12:52
It would be nice if we could nail this one. The IMDB bio of Anthony Haas shows that he's done most of his TV and film work in this country (indicating possible Britishness?) :I noted Damon's sister Brigitte billed as Hill-Haas on her parade Roller.
I've Coxed, Clarked, and Googled, but can find no stated connection to the Carl Haas dynasty of husband Anthony.
Surely there haas to be?
Rob
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 19:48
Tim Parnell and Tony Southgate and Howden Ganley
Here is a trip down memory lane. From 1971 - the same guys at Bourne last Saturday.
Same team manager ( Tim Parnell ) same designer ( Tony Southgate ) same driver ( Howden Ganley ) same car ( BRM P153 -03 )
Just 41 years on ... !!!
photo: Erin Pritchett
Posted 13 October 2012 - 19:56
Thanks JerryTim: Carl and Bernie Haas, have no children.
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Jerry Entin was kind enough to post some of my pictures from this fabulous event, and here are a few more pictures from the day.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:55
So, Howden is a NatWest user then.
Posted 08 November 2012 - 07:01
Good shots Erin. It was a great day wasn't it?
I'm sure I should have known who this driver was but I didn't recognise her. Can you help?
John
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Thanks John! This is the lovely and very interesting Julia Baldanza and she is an owner/driver.
Posted 20 October 2013 - 03:43
It's now just over 12 months since Bourne hosted their BRM celebrations. The other week I was googling BRM and the BRMDay website came up. They had a DVD and programme from the day available at £10 & £5 respectively. So I had one of each sent out to Oz.
They arrived this week and are nice items for those who either weren't able to make it or those who were and wouldn't mind a copy anyway. The DVD goes for nearly 1 hour and covers various facets of making the event happen, period footage from 1962 and the goings on from the event with interviews with Damon Hill, Sir Jackie Stewart, Howden Ganley, Rick Hall, etc.
To procure, you'll need to go to www.brmassociation.org though. Although the old brmday.co.uk address will redirect you.
Stephen
Posted 19 March 2014 - 23:16
The programme says that Henri Pescarolo was to drive John Fenning's P201, can anyone confirm if it actually was Pesca in the green helmet???
Rob
John Fenning drove P153 #27
Max
Looks like John Fenning most likely was driving his #15 BRM P201/5 at Bourne on BRM Day as per programme, but much googling under BRM, BRM Day, BRM P201 and McCaw has not helped me to establish who was, TBA per programme, driving the car listed as Bruce McCaw P201/1
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does anyone recognise this driver ?
Can anyone confirm if the #14 P201 above is the same car referred to as BRM P201/1-R at OldRacingCars.com ?
Posted 25 March 2015 - 18:46
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