BRM Volume 4
#1
Posted 02 March 2012 - 19:13
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#2
Posted 02 March 2012 - 19:22
Sorry, Pete, I know it's not your doing.
#3
Posted 02 March 2012 - 20:45
#4
Posted 02 March 2012 - 21:00
But thanks for your interest.
DCN
Edited by Doug Nye, 02 March 2012 - 21:01.
#5
Posted 02 March 2012 - 21:40
Even the Black Metal fans of the Czech Republic have a festival dedicated to it
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#6
Posted 02 March 2012 - 22:04
But more to the point, take a look at this:
http://www.waterston...ecrets/8408783/
It's not altogether an easy read, for all manner of reasons, but my word it's extraordinary...
DCN
#7
Posted 02 March 2012 - 22:27
Strewth!Blimey!
But more to the point, take a look at this:
http://www.waterston...ecrets/8408783/
It's not altogether an easy read, for all manner of reasons, but my word it's extraordinary...
DCN
#8
Posted 02 March 2012 - 22:35
Blimey!
But more to the point, take a look at this:
http://www.waterston...ecrets/8408783/
It's not altogether an easy read, for all manner of reasons, but my word it's extraordinary...
DCN
Blimey! And extraordinary and 'strange'... is it the right word in english?
#9
Posted 02 March 2012 - 22:45
Blimey!
But more to the point, take a look at this:
http://www.waterston...ecrets/8408783/
It's not altogether an easy read, for all manner of reasons, but my word it's extraordinary...
DCN
For at least the last 25 years, I've always thought that Louis T was as odd as two left feet, without ever understanding the reason for this notion.
Maybe I was right !!
Funny old lot at Bourne - the late Tony R (Moleskin 'Arry) was perhaps the only civilised and normal one . . . . . . . . .
#10
Posted 02 March 2012 - 22:55
#11
Posted 02 March 2012 - 23:00
Of course, Margot Asquith, the second Mrs HH, was the lady who had to remind a bombshell American actress that the t in her first name was silent. As in Harlow.
#12
Posted 02 March 2012 - 23:05
#13
Posted 03 March 2012 - 00:05
#14
Posted 03 March 2012 - 02:49
Nothing is ever easy with BRM is it.
#15
Posted 03 March 2012 - 09:53
#16
Posted 03 March 2012 - 09:59
I've been trying to think what to say and I can't say it better than this.Well I never.
Edited by D-Type, 03 March 2012 - 22:07.
#17
Posted 03 March 2012 - 10:09
Or am I being typically naive?
#18
Posted 03 March 2012 - 10:22
#19
Posted 03 March 2012 - 10:33
I'm not quite sure that I grasp the significance that these revelations have on the actual story of the B.R.M racing cars.
Oh, I don't know. You could potentially have had Asquith-BRMs instead of the Stanley Steamers!
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#20
Posted 03 March 2012 - 10:50
Gives him a better claim on being called Lord Lou...Whilst understanding the degree of shock exhibited in the posts on this thread, I'm not quite sure that I grasp the significance that these revelations have on the actual story of the B.R.M racing cars.
Or am I being typically naive?
#21
Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:03
And it's not a pleasant one, either...
#22
Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:32
DCN
#23
Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:58
She has, Twinny, she has... Brave lady.
DCN
The 'Look inside' taster of this book on Amazon reproduces a fair few pages, the tone of which are far from Complimentary of Mr Stanley to say the least.
Regardless of such distractions, I'm sure you will let us get our grubby mitts on Vol 4 when it is good and ready. It's only been 4 years since Vol 3 which is nowt but a nanoseccond to the 9 years we waited for Vol 2. I have no idea how you bring a project which has soared so majestically in to land smoothly but I'm sure it will be well worth the wait. And when your Magnum Opus is complete Doug we look forward to The history of the Grand Prix car 1906-1945
#24
Posted 03 March 2012 - 12:50
Glad you came...
Actually '06-44 was on the stocks to complete that series, but the publisher got cold feet since there would be so little interest in the 1906-33 story...or "...all that early junk".
But today collectively we know soooo much more that is worth retelling in one volume - errrr, or maybe two...or...
DCN
#25
Posted 03 March 2012 - 12:59
i have ordered the book and am looking forwards to reading more, my first thought was that surely somebody knew about this at the time? sir alfred? mays? moseley!? i dont suppose the political descedants of herbert asquith held much sway at this point in history ( i am just in the middle of reading through an in depth study of english politics in the 1920's and 30's), but politics is such a murky business, it's intriguing to think a bit laterally about some of the possible ramifications..
peter
#26
Posted 03 March 2012 - 13:10
Thank you M,
Actually '06-44 was on the stocks to complete that series, but the publisher got cold feet since there would be so little interest in the 1906-33 story...or "...all that early junk".
DCN
.....What !!! Best bit surely !
#27
Posted 03 March 2012 - 14:42
Actually '06-44 was on the stocks to complete that series, but the publisher got cold feet since there would be so little interest in the 1906-33 story...or "...all that early junk".
But today collectively we know soooo much more that is worth retelling in one volume - errrr, or maybe two...or...
DCN
Oh Doug, some things we are better off not knowing!
Coincidentally I recently bought a pre-loved copy of the 1986 Autocourse in which there was still a questionnaire from Hazleton Publishing, Question 12 reads:
'One of our recent publications The Autocourse History of The Grand Prix Car 1966-86 by Doug Nye has been an enormous sucess. Would you be interested in purchasing a seccond volume covering the years 1946-65 and a third covering 1906-45?
I supose the answer to question 1 was yes and part 2 was no! Perhaps the publishers were loath to take its readers too far away from the beginning of the World Championship. What good was that early junk anyway? All those Auto Benz's and Mercedes Unions.
#28
Posted 03 March 2012 - 20:44
#29
Posted 04 March 2012 - 16:16
#30
Posted 04 March 2012 - 17:52
#31
Posted 05 March 2012 - 13:26
Does this make my copy of BRM volume 1 signed by (among others) Mr and Mrs S. any more valuable?.Blimey!
But more to the point, take a look at this:
http://www.waterston...ecrets/8408783/
It's not altogether an easy read, for all manner of reasons, but my word it's extraordinary...
DCN
#32
Posted 05 March 2012 - 13:36
Does this make my copy of BRM volume 1 signed by (among others) Mr and Mrs S. any more valuable?.
Less I would say.
#33
Posted 05 March 2012 - 15:37
#34
Posted 05 March 2012 - 16:38
So that makes LTS the great uncle of Helena Bonham Carter. Not much of a family resemblance, is there?
Also the great-great-uncle of Anna Chancellor ('Duckface' in 'Four Weddings and a Funeral', etc., etc.)
After LTS's death I was waiting for some revelations, but came there none - I had a vague suspicion that there might be something that would be embarrassing to the Owen family (among others), but nothing like this.
Paul M
Edited by Macca, 05 March 2012 - 16:39.
#35
Posted 05 March 2012 - 17:31
Just as well I got Frolian Gonzalez, Stirling Moss and Tony Brooks to sign it as well!.Less I would say.
#36
Posted 05 March 2012 - 17:54
Just as well I got Frolian Gonzalez, Stirling Moss and Tony Brooks to sign it as well!.
In which case you've probably achieved parity then, Eric!
#37
Posted 05 March 2012 - 17:55
What I am unclear about is what his sons by his first marriage - to shipping line heiress Kate Furness - might make of all this. One, John Stanley, at one stage worked on 'Autosport'...but preferred not to be connected. I believe he and his father were finally reconciled. Time can heal (some things...).
DCN
Edited by Doug Nye, 05 March 2012 - 18:28.
#38
Posted 05 March 2012 - 18:36
Also the great-great-uncle of Anna Chancellor ('Duckface' in 'Four Weddings and a Funeral', etc., etc.)
After LTS's death I was waiting for some revelations, but came there none - I had a vague suspicion that there might be something that would be embarrassing to the Owen family (among others), but nothing like this.
Paul M
I read the excerpts from "Conspiracy of Secrets" on Amazon. If what the author wrote is true, then Big Lou being the illegitimate son of Asquith is by far the least shocking thing revealed about him.
I only own one of his books, and he comes across as pompous and egotistical in it. But it now also appears he was a complete b*****d. And not just by the original definition, either.
#39
Posted 05 March 2012 - 22:51
I read the excerpts from "Conspiracy of Secrets" on Amazon. If what the author wrote is true, then Big Lou being the illegitimate son of Asquith is by far the least shocking thing revealed about him.
I only own one of his books, and he comes across as pompous and egotistical in it. But it now also appears he was a complete b*****d. And not just by the original definition, either.
Petty, I admit, but his books demonstrate that he wasn't a great photographer either !
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#40
Posted 05 March 2012 - 23:24
Petty, I admit, but his books demonstrate that he wasn't a great photographer either !
;)
I wouldn't know. Most of the pictures I saw in Stanley's books had the man himself dead centre in them.
#41
Posted 06 March 2012 - 02:37
Now, what about this bloody BRM book?
#42
Posted 06 March 2012 - 06:40
cheers
Thank you M,
Glad you came...
Actually '06-44 was on the stocks to complete that series, but the publisher got cold feet since there would be so little interest in the 1906-33 story...or "...all that early junk".
But today collectively we know soooo much more that is worth retelling in one volume - errrr, or maybe two...or...
DCN
#43
Posted 06 March 2012 - 07:00
CND
#44
Posted 06 March 2012 - 07:04
Does this make my copy of BRM volume 1 signed by (among others) Mr and Mrs S. any more valuable?.
Eric - I'm really surprised to notice your post. That they should have signed my book is AMAZING! BL detested me, and it...as the whispering midnight telephone calls testified.
DCN
#45
Posted 06 March 2012 - 09:50
I wouldn't know. Most of the pictures I saw in Stanley's books had the man himself dead centre in them.
As a teenager, I was an avid reader, still am in fact. I visited my local library on the way home from school a couple of times most weeks. I hadn't even heard of Autocourse back then, but the library always bought each new copy of the Louis Stanley GP annual, though I usually had to join a waiting list and await my turn. When a postcard arrived telling me that the great day come, and I was able to bring each new one home with my school books, one of the first things I did was to count the number of photos of Louis and Jean, he usually managed to fit her in around a dozen times. My own personal connection with Lou wasn't much, I was introduced to him at Bourne when aged about nine, my dad had a friend who raced a little, and I saw him again briefly when we were doing BRM bodywork at Specialised Mouldings, I even went to his house in Trumpington once to deliver something or other. Not doubting anything anyone here says about the man, but I have to confess I rather liked him, which is probably why they gave me the home delivery job that time, I know that neither of the Jackson brothers could stand him. All this proves apparently, is that at times I've not been a very good judge of character.
#46
Posted 06 March 2012 - 11:02
OK, I've ordered the Stanley book-although it isn't being released until My 1st...
Now, what about this bloody BRM book?
Eh?
Amazon tell me that my copy was despatched on Monday 5th . . . . . . . .
That's the Stanley book, of course, not DCN's Volume 4
#47
Posted 06 March 2012 - 11:12
Mine too, but Mr Birchall is in Canada. Amazon.ca quote May 1st publication there.Eh?
Amazon tell me that my copy was despatched on Monday 5th . . . . . . . .
#49
Posted 06 March 2012 - 15:42
Eh?
Amazon tell me that my copy was despatched on Monday 5th . . . . . . . .
That's the Stanley book, of course, not DCN's Volume 4
Bu**er!!
I wonder if I can cancel my n.american issue and get the limey one?
#50
Posted 06 March 2012 - 16:05
Given Royal Mail's currently appalling performance you probably won't get it till June! I'm still waiting for something to arrive from St Austell that was posted last Tuesday. I could have walked from there by now!Bu**er!!
I wonder if I can cancel my n.american issue and get the limey one?