Take your picks, when will the Bahrain Grand Prix 2012 be cancelled?
I have voted Sat (before or after qually)
What do you think?
Bahrain Grand Prix Poll
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, Apr 05 2012 21:07
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 21:14
We are dealing with F1 and Bernie here, so if there's to be a farce, they better do it properly.
Therefore, I say it'll be cancelled at some point during the Bahrain Grand Prix weekend itself.
Therefore, I say it'll be cancelled at some point during the Bahrain Grand Prix weekend itself.
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 21:22
We are dealing with F1 and Bernie here, so if there's to be a farce, they better do it properly.
Therefore, I say it'll be cancelled at some point during the Bahrain Grand Prix weekend itself.
LOL.
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 22:48
In this case I am fully with Bernie, so I voted no.
I find it so awfully wrong that F1 is being used as a political tool. Bahrain certainly isn't the first country running an F1 race that has domestic difficulties at the same time.
If there are political/humanistic concerns (and obviously there are), then I'd think the proper way is that the UN or individual nations to sort that out with an embargo and so on. If that has happened then we can talk at car races. Not everything needs to be abused as a political tool.
BTW, I am aware of "panem et circenses" as a political tool too. However this is a different setting. So let them have a race in the sand.
I find it so awfully wrong that F1 is being used as a political tool. Bahrain certainly isn't the first country running an F1 race that has domestic difficulties at the same time.
If there are political/humanistic concerns (and obviously there are), then I'd think the proper way is that the UN or individual nations to sort that out with an embargo and so on. If that has happened then we can talk at car races. Not everything needs to be abused as a political tool.
BTW, I am aware of "panem et circenses" as a political tool too. However this is a different setting. So let them have a race in the sand.
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 23:07
LOL.
+1 LOL
Bernie the snake just wants money and to make his rich friends happy.
Should even be thought about wether to be cancel it or not.
Edited by miniq, 05 April 2012 - 23:08.
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 23:08
The decision has been made already. Teams are under an embargo, so they cannot speak about it. Expect an announcement next week is what I'm told.
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 23:51
What would be the point of keeping it secret?The decision has been made already. Teams are under an embargo, so they cannot speak about it. Expect an announcement next week is what I'm told.
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Posted 05 April 2012 - 23:54
What would be the point of keeping it secret?
You'd have to ask them that. Same with last year. The teams knew in advance of the public. That's obviously how the powers that be want it.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 01:42
The decision has been made already. Teams are under an embargo, so they cannot speak about it. Expect an announcement next week is what I'm told.
You seem to be well informed, I suppose it's the right thing to do and I suppose out of all the teams Ferrari gain the most since they are still in damage limitation mode.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 01:48
You'd have to ask them that. Same with last year. The teams knew in advance of the public. That's obviously how the powers that be want it.
Damon Hill changing his tune publicly was enough for me to be sure that the 'party line' had changed and that this race was not going to happen.
As with last year though, there is still a lot of procedural stuff that has to be gone through and unless it is the Bahrainis who are suggesting postponement/cancellation (seems unlikely) then Bernie will still be scheming to ensure that he gets his fee.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 10:34
To celebrate St George's Day?23rd April?
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 11:14
Ferrari are not F1 itself as they'd like you to believe, but they're certainly F1's most famous team.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 11:19
Why a ferrari car?
Would it be okay if that was for example a Mclaren? My answer to the poll is, that they will cancel it next week.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 11:21
Most people associate F1 with Ferrari, as Bernie said if you ask people on the street who won the last championship they would probably say Ferrari.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 11:33
I endorse this point of view.In this case I am fully with Bernie, so I voted no.
I find it so awfully wrong that F1 is being used as a political tool. Bahrain certainly isn't the first country running an F1 race that has domestic difficulties at the same time.
If there are political/humanistic concerns (and obviously there are), then I'd think the proper way is that the UN or individual nations to sort that out with an embargo and so on. If that has happened then we can talk at car races. Not everything needs to be abused as a political tool.
BTW, I am aware of "panem et circenses" as a political tool too. However this is a different setting. So let them have a race in the sand.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 11:37
In this case I am fully with Bernie, so I voted no.
I find it so awfully wrong that F1 is being used as a political tool. Bahrain certainly isn't the first country running an F1 race that has domestic difficulties at the same time.
If there are political/humanistic concerns (and obviously there are), then I'd think the proper way is that the UN or individual nations to sort that out with an embargo and so on. If that has happened then we can talk at car races. Not everything needs to be abused as a political tool.
BTW, I am aware of "panem et circenses" as a political tool too. However this is a different setting. So let them have a race in the sand.
Wake up! F1 IS a political tool. Yes, it's better for this GP to go ahead. I don't see why people buy into the 'cancellation'.
Edited by Smile17, 06 April 2012 - 11:38.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 12:08
I know...right?Why a ferrari car?
Considering the Bahraini sovereign wealth fund Mumtalakat Holdings (the Kingdom) has a large percentage shareholding in McLaren.....
I voted to send all the broadcasting gear and run the tanks instead of F1 cars..it'll sure be more exciting.
Jp
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 12:41
Remembering the "drive a tank" cheat from the old TOCA Touring Cars game, Jp's comment raised a smile. 
Edited by Risil, 06 April 2012 - 12:41.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 15:16
Damon Hill changing his tune publicly was enough for me to be sure that the 'party line' had changed and that this race was not going to happen.
As with last year though, there is still a lot of procedural stuff that has to be gone through and unless it is the Bahrainis who are suggesting postponement/cancellation (seems unlikely) then Bernie will still be scheming to ensure that he gets his fee.
it's not just about Bernie's fee. It's also about the FIA publicly denouncing one of it's most powerful members.
Which is precisely why I remain unconvinced the FIA/FOM will cancel the race. At best they may try to nudge the Bahrainis behind the scenes but IF it gets cancelled it will have to be cancelled by the Bahrainis, the alternative is just too massive a PR nightmare.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 15:22
I know...right?
Considering the Bahraini sovereign wealth fund Mumtalakat Holdings (the Kingdom) has a large percentage shareholding in McLaren.....
I voted to send all the broadcasting gear and run the tanks instead of F1 cars..it'll sure be more exciting.
Jp
The people wanting the GP to go ahead in Bahrain would have probably drawn a Mclaren
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 15:31
No, but I bet it's the first one where injured drivers might have to be taken to a hospital whose doctors are in prison for treating the sick.In this case I am fully with Bernie, so I voted no.
I find it so awfully wrong that F1 is being used as a political tool. Bahrain certainly isn't the first country running an F1 race that has domestic difficulties at the same time.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 15:36
The only scenario under which it will be cancelled is if it becomes in the interest of Mr Ecclestone's bank account
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 15:39
Shortly after the Chinese GP, its back to back so most of the freight will be coming from China, they can afford to wait until Monday before postponing/cancelling the race if they do so.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 16:13
it's not just about Bernie's fee. It's also about the FIA publicly denouncing one of it's most powerful members.
It's entirely about the fee. If it was non-refundable the race would've been cancelled long ago.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 16:27
Why a ferrari car?
Beacause Ferrari always takes all the blame.
Good graffitti job nevertheless. Feel sorry for those guys. It seems they have not seen F1 in TV since 2008. I would protest the Tyrant goverment too.
Edited by fabr68, 06 April 2012 - 16:28.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 16:30
It seems they have not seen F1 in TV since 2008.
Are you for real?
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 16:54
By the looks of things, the graffiti artists have noticed that the F1 logo has a "1" in the space. 
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 21:21
I doubt that the race will be canceled. Honestly, I like the races but I wouldn't mind if there wasn't a Bahrain GP. The track is not the best, so are the races and especially the atmosphere. There are two weeks to go and I don't think that anything will happen.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 21:26
By the looks of things, the graffiti artists have noticed that the F1 logo has a "1" in the space.
That beats half of us
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 22:22
Well, Arabs have an advantage, they invented numbers...That beats half of us
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 13:10
Wake up! F1 IS a political tool. Yes, it's better for this GP to go ahead. I don't see why people buy into the 'cancellation'.
In the 1930s GP racing was used a political tool by same Fascists groups who started a world war that ended with millions slaughtered. Thankfully these days it usually has more to do with trying to get host countries noticed, Turkey, China, South Korea, India and others run/ran F1 GPs as a way stating we are playing a major part on the world stage.
The 2012 Bahrain GP should never have been scheduled, I am willing to bet the ruling family in Bahrain regret being locked into a situation in which cancel or run all possible outcomes will further damage Bahrain's image in the world.
Edited by britishtrident, 10 April 2012 - 13:12.
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 13:30
The whole issue is so messy that it's better for the teams to avoid risking their gear. If there is a concensus not go then that decision is done already given the scope of the logistics involved.The decision has been made already. Teams are under an embargo, so they cannot speak about it. Expect an announcement next week is what I'm told.
The problem is how to deliver the message properly.
Anyway I dont expect anything to come out during China.
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 18:56
Well, Arabs have an advantage, they invented numbers...
Imagine designing a racing car with the Roman system
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 19:22
We are dealing with F1 and Bernie here, so if there's to be a farce, they better do it properly.
Therefore, I say it'll be cancelled at some point during the Bahrain Grand Prix weekend itself.
I was thinking about when the most awkward time Ecclestone could announce it in China would be, so I presume it will either be during the break between Q2 and Q3 on Saturday or ten minutes before the start of the race on Sunday.
Who's taking Brundle's place to do the grid walk for the BBC on Sunday? Ecclestone could give the BBC a nice exclusive on the grid to make up for taking half of the F1 calendar away from them...
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Posted 10 April 2012 - 20:26
They should dish Bahrain & go to Zolder instead! 
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Posted 11 April 2012 - 04:30
The race will go ahead - money talks!!
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Posted 11 April 2012 - 08:19
Why a ferrari car?
It is the most visible, iconic one.
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Posted 11 April 2012 - 14:37
The current F1 style already has a Roman Nose.Imagine designing a racing car with the Roman system
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Posted 11 April 2012 - 14:55
Imagine designing a racing car with the Roman system
So thats where HRT went wrong
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Posted 11 April 2012 - 15:05
Perfect Ecclestonism - The teams are free to chose whether or not they go to Bahrain....... Of course, if they don't, they will be in breach of contract.
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 02:12
You seem to be well informed, I suppose it's the right thing to do and I suppose out of all the teams Ferrari gain the most since they are still in damage limitation mode.
Yeah, but Ferrari have a good record in Sakhir, 4 wins in 7 races and a podium in 2006 when Schumacher narrowly missed for Alonso. And Michael was doing a strong race in 2005 but had to retire and that year's car was behind the Michelin shod Renault and Mclarens. The circuit seems to suit the red cars as far as Barcelona doesn´t. Furthermore, Alonso is the guy who won more times, 3 of 7, I am sure he would (or will?) take this year car to the podium.
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 04:51
its a nice new F1 logo.
Edited by Manneken3000, 12 April 2012 - 04:52.
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 06:39
John Yates, the disgraced former Assistant Commissioner of the metropolitan Police, says "It's all right to go to Bahrain" - So no bias there John, just keep taking the cheques from the Bahrain government for advising on security...
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 06:48
If the FIA had any real concerns about human rights abuses then the china GP and half the new middle eastern ones wouldn't be going ahead, its just a toss up between taking the PR hit for going or the PR hit for annoying the fans by not.
