Father and son GP wins

But was the European GP then part of the World Championship? If so totally relevant to the question if not it is irrellavant. My vague knowledge of the World Championship starts in the late 50s.
The so called modern championship started in the early 50s?

Edited by uechtel, 17 April 2012 - 11:19.

No doubt others will correct me on this, but Nico's victory last weekend is a bit of a milestone, I think it was the first for a German driver in a Grand Prix driving a German car since Hermann Lang's victory at the 1939 Swiss Grand Prix, am I right with that? It all depends on how you define nationality of course, not only with the driver, but also the car, though as the good Dr Lawrence always says, "follow the money".

Edited by David Beard, 17 April 2012 - 11:34.

I can't stop myself from calling the car a Brawn...made in Brackley, of course.
Not sure about the engine. Is that still from Northampton?

You're referring of course to Brackley in the state of Baden-Württemberg?

You can call the car a Brawn if you want to, but as far as I'm concerned it's a Honda.

Not a BAR?

Originally posted by Lee Nicolle
But was the European GP then part of the World Championship? If so totally relevant to the question if not it is irrelevant. My vague knowledge of the World Championship starts in the late 50s. The so called modern championship started in the early 50s?

I think that his place of birth (Wiesbaden) and Dad's nationality means that Nico gets dual nationality, though last I heard, he hardly spoke any Finnish at all.

I think that his place of birth (Wiesbaden) and Dad's nationality means that Nico gets dual nationality, though last I heard, he hardly spoke any Finnish at all.

Finland has native Swedish-speakers as well as Finnish and, to judge by his name, Rosberg senior would not speak much Finnish in the first place.
Swedish has much more in common with German (from their origins) than Finnish, which is quite different.

I am always puzzled as Rosberg Jnr being a German rather than a Finn. I would think most folk would take their father's nationality rather than from the place of birth.

For all that, Nico Rosberg spent his childhood in French-speaking Monaco and attended the International School in Nice. This sort of background has made him into a citizen of the world, speaking fluent German, English, French, and Italian. But not Finnish.

Rosberg Jr.'s childhood has created for him an identity that he regards simply as "European""

As an aside, why haven't we seen Keke at a GP for ages?

Sounds very much like Bertrand Gachot.

French father, Belgian mother, Luxembourgeois birthplace, British criminal record.

high-profile as Messrs Button, Hamilton and Massa Sr.

I can't stop myself from calling the car a Brawn...made in Brackley, of course.
Not sure about the engine. Is that still from Northampton?

When Keke won the World Championship, the FIA conducted the whole prizegiving ceremony in French. So Keke being Keke he made his acceptance speech in Finnish, and Swedish, and German, and English. He is one driver that I would like to meet socially.

Edited by David Beard, 17 April 2012 - 20:38.

I think this keeps him rather busy: http://www.rosberg.d...dex.php?m=3&l=2

Pretty sure I saw him at at least one GP last year though, but he's by no means as high-profile as Messrs Button, Hamilton and Massa Sr.

How about them indeed?

DCN

Michael Andretti may not have won a GP, but I do recall him finishing first a couple of times - about an hour and a half before the race winner.

I bid two Brabhams, an Andretti and a Piquet.

Edited by Michael Ferner, 18 April 2012 - 08:35.

Ah, the eurocentrics strike again. Oh Ye of little faith, Michael Andretti was a multiple Grand Prix winner in his days, winning the Long Beach GP, Australian Indy Car GP, Cleveland GP, Meadowlands US GP, two Detroit, Nazareth and Monterey GPs each. Granted, his F1 showings weren't that stellar, but still a lot better than Fangio's in Indy Cars. Or Schumacher, Senna, Rosberg, what have you...

Edited by Lee Nicolle, 18 April 2012 - 09:26.

Originally posted by Regazzoni
.....As far as the Ascaris and Joneses, I have always read that Antonio was a top, world-class driver in his era who maybe, with due respect, Stan Jones was not?

French father, Belgian mother, Luxembourgeois birthplace, British criminal record.

There are many who felt Stan Jones was good enough...

He raced very successfully against Brabham many times before Brabham went to Europe. I think you'll find he was the last man ever to win a contemporary race in a 250F and beat a Cooper Climax to do it. Well, no, he wasn't... there was another one a few weeks later at Bathurst.

All the same, he was a man nobody discounted in Australian racing.

Ah, the eurocentrics strike again. Oh Ye of little faith, Michael Andretti was a multiple Grand Prix winner in his days, winning the Long Beach GP, Australian Indy Car GP, Cleveland GP, Meadowlands US GP, two Detroit, Nazareth and Monterey GPs each. Granted, his F1 showings weren't that stellar, but still a lot better than Fangio's in Indy Cars. Or Schumacher, Senna, Rosberg, what have you...

There are many who felt Stan Jones was good enough...

He raced very successfully against Brabham many times before Brabham went to Europe. I think you'll find he was the last man ever to win a contemporary race in a 250F and beat a Cooper Climax to do it. Well, no, he wasn't... there was another one a few weeks later at Bathurst.

All the same, he was a man nobody discounted in Australian racing.

Ah, the eurocentrics strike again. Oh Ye of little faith, Michael Andretti was a multiple Grand Prix winner in his days, winning the Long Beach GP, Australian Indy Car GP, Cleveland GP, Meadowlands US GP, two Detroit, Nazareth and Monterey GPs each. Granted, his F1 showings weren't that stellar, but still a lot better than Fangio's in Indy Cars. Or Schumacher, Senna, Rosberg, what have you...

Re #73 - sorry to be pedantic, but the whole thread seems to be going that way.
Fangio DID drive an Indy car, but not in an American race - Race of Two Worlds, Monza,1958. Yah boo sucks.

Fangio DID drive an Indy car, but not in an American race - Race of Two Worlds, Monza,1958. Yah boo sucks.

What we try to point out is, that a GP in the twenties was regarded of much HIGHER status than a Chinese GP of today.

It's all a question of eiusdem generis.

During 1956 Jones and Reg Hunt, both in near-new 250Fs, were pretty much on a par. But when Hunt was given a few laps in one of the works cars at Albert Park he was seconds off the pace of Moss and Behra, so presumably Jones would have been too

But I can't disagree with your last sentence

I think the 300S engine was used only at Caversham (AGP) and Albert Park in March 1957. By Bathurst he had the 2½ back in place
He may have used the bigger motor on the odd later occasion that wasn't reported...
Agree with you about Whiteford...

I agree entirely about getting Reg Hunt's memories down...

I visited him about ten years ago, I should do it again.