I hate to disappoint you all, but I think Bernie has just leaked this story to put pressure on New Jersey to cough up some money.
I think this pressures Texas more than Jersey.
Posted 30 May 2012 - 12:55
I hate to disappoint you all, but I think Bernie has just leaked this story to put pressure on New Jersey to cough up some money.
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 12:57
Posted 30 May 2012 - 13:15
Couple of ideas, probably not practical, but it sure beats doing actual paid work that I am behind in Have been hoping this track would make a comeback ever since reading about the possibility on F1Fanatic a few months back.
The idea is to create a clear overtaking opportunity at the end of the back straight while eliminating a bit of the useless 90 degree micky mouse stuff. The idea behind the second changed section is to slow down the entrance to Peraltada, while also creating a passing opportunity that might give cars with better high speed corner performance a chance to get close and overtake, compared to the back straight which is probably more suited to cars with good straight line speed and traction (depending on how fast turns 1-2-3 are in a modern F1 car). Circuit of the Americas seems to offer this with the hairpin after the esses, then the hairpin after the long back straight and for whatever reason, I really like the idea of it.
And if the baseball stadium can be used:
The buildings that would need to be cleared in the infield seem to be more or less glorified sheds from what I can see on Google Earth, so that part of it should be possible if they have the budget.
Even with the reduced entry speeds, Peraltada could still be too fast to be seemed safe for F1, unless they find a way to build runoff where a large building currently stands. However, there is room to tighten up the second half half of the corner by bringing it in closer to the grandstand and making use of the area where the pit entrance currently is and where indy cars made their pit stop
Thoughts?
Posted 30 May 2012 - 13:30
If anyone remembers the last proper world championship race at this circuit as the last round of the 1993 WSBK series, I reckon they'll agree that it's great that the circuit's biggest safety worries might be the Peraltada's corner entry.
And not, say, a pick-up truck driving right onto the back straight in the middle of free practice.
Posted 30 May 2012 - 13:42
I guess the closest comparisons in recent times in terms of curves with no run-off would be turn 13 at Indy and the entire final full throttle section in Brazil. However both of these are, for all intents and purposes, curved straights for F1 cars (and both have still seen some pretty bad shunts due to the wall bordering the track), with drivers not having to push to find the limit. I have a feeling Peraltada will be looked at differently as they will be braking from top speed to somewhere around 250 kph? much like the series of S bends and Silverstone and Suzuka or turn 8 at Istanbul, all of which require significant run off in the event that a driver pushes too hard and has a sudden loss of grip (happened many times at Istanbul, especially in practice).Let's just pray the FIA don't see you're drawings.
I'd love to see that too and I agree that with banking and state of the art safer barriers (or if there is a better product use that) they could run it the way it was meant to be. But I fear The FIA won't want a corner that fast and long without suitable runoff. I really hope I'm wrong, as it would be immense to watch modern F1 cars take something like the original banked version of that corner with a 300 kph entry speed.Put up oval style walls around the Peralta and get on with it. The speed there isn't anything near on an oval. And the Peralta isn't near as banked either.
Posted 30 May 2012 - 13:56
Isn't there a drugs war going in in Mexico right now with skinned bodies and headless corpses being thrown off bridges and Drugs Cartels operating with little impunity?
I wonder how safe it will be knowing that just up the road someone ex-cartel members are being given starring roles in snuff movies and Ciudad Juarez (which isn't exactly a million miles away from Mexico City) is now the murder capital of the world.
If there was a Libyan Grand Prix, I'd feel safer going there.
Posted 30 May 2012 - 14:38
Posted 30 May 2012 - 15:56
I wonder how it will pass FIA inspection. However, they had exactly that at the Indy track and somehow it did.Let's just pray the FIA don't see you're drawings.
Put up oval style walls around the Peralta and get on with it. The speed there isn't anything near on an oval. And the Peralta isn't near as banked either.
Posted 30 May 2012 - 16:14
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Posted 30 May 2012 - 16:58
You are Hermann Tilke and I claim my $5 prize.Thoughts?
Posted 30 May 2012 - 17:11
I live in Mexico City and as much as I would love to have a grand prix in my home town the Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez is not longer a proper track for Formula 1. There is a baseball stadium next to the Peraltada, the colums of the grandstans ara really close to the track, . In my opinion the best option would be to build a new track in a place like the Riviera Maya or Cancun, a place with lots of first class hotels, and very atractive to visitors.
Edited by Snic, 30 May 2012 - 17:13.
Posted 30 May 2012 - 17:41
Event though the war on drugs is a mayor problem in the country it is mainly located in other cities, there is crime in mexico city like in most big cities. To bring F1 to the city, the main problem is the track is no up to f1 standards , a new track is needed and the best place would be a place that can offer the visitors quality infrastructure and Cancun and Riviera Maya is the perfect place, and the weather changes very fast, a good recipe for entertaining races.I don't know how relevant it is but is the escalating 'war on drugs' in Mexico not a deterrant to bringing F1 to the country? Just like Bahrain I imagine the GP could potentially become a tool by certain people to damage the governments reputation. Recently read an article saying something like 60 000 people have been killed in the last 6 years (approx. 28 a day) due to drug-related violence , the hanging bodies over the bridge that lit up the newsfeeds a few weeks ago were pretty horrific images.
I can see why the Mexican govt. would want F1 to boost tourism and such, but do you think these troubles could cause F1 to stay away from Mexico?
Posted 30 May 2012 - 18:00
Event though the war on drugs is a mayor problem in the country it is mainly located in other cities, there is crime in mexico city like in most big cities. To bring F1 to the city, the main problem is the track is no up to f1 standards , a new track is needed and the best place would be a place that can offer the visitors quality infrastructure and Cancun and Riviera Maya is the perfect place, and the weather changes very fast, a good recipe for entertaining races.
Posted 30 May 2012 - 18:16
f1 coverage has increased, but not many wake up at 7 on sunday to watch the race, I don't know about the numbers but I guess they haven't increase much since we racing fans watch F1 with or without Perez, ofcourse we cheer for him, but I think the viewership hasn't increased that much. Again I'm not sure it is just my take , the main sport is Football for example Chicharito gets much more attention than Checo.Fair enough. How much interest is their in Mexico for F1? How much has viewership/ news coverage increased since the arrival of Perez?
Posted 30 May 2012 - 18:24
Posted 30 May 2012 - 18:39
Interesting.
1) Perez must be going to Ferrari.
2) Spain's economy might cause a problem next year, creating openings for such things.
3) Which cartel controls Mexico City? "Mexican government" is an oxymoron at this point, is Bernie liasoning with the Zetas or some such?
4) Is this a joke? I bet one could run a race pretty cheap in Afghanistan or Iraq, that might be statistically safer...
Edited by Snic, 30 May 2012 - 18:46.
Posted 30 May 2012 - 18:57
Posted 30 May 2012 - 21:02
mid-June alongside Canada
Posted 30 May 2012 - 21:15
Posted 30 May 2012 - 21:16
Mid-June in Mexico? Yikes. I doubt it.
Posted 30 May 2012 - 22:13
Mid-June in Mexico? Yikes. I doubt it.
Posted 30 May 2012 - 22:27
The circuit as it stands isn't suitable for contemporary F1.
Posted 30 May 2012 - 22:31
It's not that hot, remember we're on high altitude. And there's also some smog keeping the sunshine at bayIf you're okay with melting into the aluminum, then it is fine, but for 99.9% of people on earth, not a great time for any race, let alone an F1 race.
Posted 31 May 2012 - 07:07
Bloody hell! And we are discussing if Peralta is too dangerous even with a first gear chicane right before...I say bring the walls up to the track, safer barriers and live with it.Here's some racing from the 1990 Grand Prix.
Posted 31 May 2012 - 07:23
Here's some racing from the 1990 Grand Prix.
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Posted 31 May 2012 - 08:30
My lasting memory was Prost winning from 13th on the grid.
Posted 31 May 2012 - 10:05
SSH ! You are not supposed to mention that, he was managing the tyres, and driving to a delta the whole race, something which has only been invented this year, according to the Pirelli haters.
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Probably they are still trying to find that safe labelled «obscure government funds» for Bernie.I'm still not seeing any confirmation of this in the press. Highly doubting there is any truth to it.
Posted 31 May 2012 - 12:29
I'm still not seeing any confirmation of this in the press. Highly doubting there is any truth to it.
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Posted 17 November 2012 - 20:59
Posted 17 November 2012 - 21:20
Carlos Slim Jnr talking to two designers of the COTA circuit, and Hermann Tilke. Another Tilke circuit in Mexico?
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 08:12
In that case I don't want a race in Mexico. Only if they race in Mexico City with Peraltada not being butchered.
Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:51