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Hamilton/Rosberg qualifying Incident [merged]

Started by tarmac , Jun 23 2012 15:53

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Should Lewis be penalised?

Yes (18 votes [22.78%])
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No (32 votes [40.51%])
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#1 tarmac

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 15:53

https://twitter.com/...557600785956864

Lewis Hamilton could be in trouble with race stewards again - he's just been called to answer Rosberg's charge that LH ruined his lap..

#2 pinkypants

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 15:55

Oh for god's sake.

#3 olliek88

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 15:55

#4 Anomnader

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 15:55

Wasn't they both on the same type of lap just that lewis was in front?

#5 Anomnader

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 15:56

If Lewis gets a penalty for this after some of the things let go recently that I'll think Lewis comment in 2011 will be correct.

#6 Kvothe

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 15:57

https://twitter.com/#%21/tedkravitz

Ted Kravitz ‏@tedkravitz Lewis Hamilton could be in trouble with race stewards again - he's just been called to answer Rosberg's charge that LH ruined his lap..

To explain: Lewis slowed down at the end of his out lap to make a gap ahead. That backed Nico into him, compromising the Merc's lap.

I thought I'd save DMN the trouble of splitting my post off to create a new thread. Lewis Hamilton has been called to the stewards and could potentially face a penalty.

Personally I think the onus was on Rosberg to leave himself adequate space in front, and not rely on everything being perfect especially on a street circuit like Valencia.

Your thoughts?

Edited by Kvothe, 23 June 2012 - 16:01.

#7 jrg19

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 15:57

Both on out laps.

#8 Juggles

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 15:57

What is the maximum penalty that could be applied? I assume we just need to triple that to work out what Hamilton's going to be hit with.

#9 Disgrace

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 15:58

We saw it live in the broadcast. Rosberg caught Hamilton just before the last corner.

If Hamilton is penalised, then we can safely write off McLarens weekend at this awful circuit.

This is very boring, it has to be said, I hope he isn't penalised but I suppose it might come down to how much space there was in front of Hamilton when he started to back off.

Edited by Disgrace, 23 June 2012 - 16:01.

#10 Anomnader

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 15:59

Both on out laps.

They've never before given a penalty for two drivers both being on outlaps and the one in front making space. I'll be shocked, amazed, disgusted if they do this time.

#11 ZooL

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 15:59

Should be no penalty.

BOTH of them were on warming up laps. Finding a gap is part and parcel of quali. There were only 10 cars and this is a massive long track with a time of 1m40, so Rosberg shouldn't have found it so hard.

I've never seen this punished before on warm up laps because the driver behind does the same thing.

Looks like Hamilton might be setting another new precedent in F1?

Oh and you have to slow down at corners.

Edited by ZooL, 23 June 2012 - 16:01.

#12 jrg19

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 15:59

They'll probably take away all his timed laps again.

#13 Kvothe

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 15:59

Ted:

At other tracks that wouldn't be a punishable offence, but due to turns 21 to 25 being blind at VLC, drivers aren't allowed to go slow there

Edited by Kvothe, 23 June 2012 - 16:00.

#14 Anomnader

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 15:59

We saw it live in the broadcast. Rosberg caught Hamilton just before the last corner.

If Hamilton is penalised, then we can safely write off McLarens weekend at this awful circuit.

This is very boring, it has to be said, I hope he isn't penalised but I suppose it might come down to how much space there was in front of Hamilton when he started to back off.

Yeah but they was both on outlaps! You're supposed to give yourself space to account for this

#15 xAtarigeekx

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:00

Ted Kravitz ‏@tedkravitz
To explain: Lewis slowed down at the end of his out lap to make a gap ahead. That backed Nico into him, compromising the Merc's lap..

Ted Kravitz ‏@tedkravitz
At other tracks that wouldn't be a punishable offence, but due to turns 21 to 25 being blind at VLC, drivers aren't allowed to go slow there

#16 peroa

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:01

They've never before given a penalty for two drivers both being on outlaps and the one in front making space. I'll be shocked, amazed, disgusted if they do this time.

They will, you'll see, it's Lewis Hamilton after all.

#17 Massa_f1

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:02

Yeah but they was both on outlaps! You're supposed to give yourself space to account for this

If Rosberg was on a outlap i can't see Hamilton being punished.

#18 Zava

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:02

https://twitter.com/#%21/tedkravitz

I thought I'd save DMN the trouble of splitting my post off to create a new thread. Lewis Hamilton has been called to the stewards and could potentially face a penalty.

Personally I think the onus was on Rosberg to leave himself adequate space in front, and not rely on everything being perfect especially on a street circuit like Valencia.

Your thoughts?

Rosberg doesn't agree:
"We know it's tricky in the last sector here and there is an agreement in place to stop things like this happening so it's frustrating."

disclaimer: I'm not rooting for a penalty.

#19 Disgrace

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:02

Yeah but they was both on outlaps! You're supposed to give yourself space to account for this

Quite, but we were watching whoever it was coming up behind them, finishing their lap (can't remember who at this point). If they slowed any more, they would have impeded someone on an actual hot lap.

#20 Theturkeyprize

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:02

Oh oooo..... Guess we wont get that Vettel vs Lewis round 3 lineup tomorrow?

#21 northanmonkee

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:02

nothing the stewards or fia do when lewis is involved ever comes out in his favour

#22 gincarnated

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:02

Will everyone else who posted the same or a slower time in that sector on their out laps be penalized along with Lewis?

#23 MortenF1

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:03

"aren't allowed" is probably pushing it to an extreme, 'cause I think it's just a "gentlemans agreement" settled at the first drivers meeting.
I can't see how this can be judged a wrong-doing from Hamilton. It was Rosberg who was the clumsy one.

#24 mgs315

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:03

Have the stewards never seen the queue that develops at Rascasse at Monaco every year when qualifying?

#25 Muppetmad

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:03

If they were both on outlaps, then any penalty applied would be absolutely ludicrous and unjust. If Rosberg was on a lap though, then the penalty would be warranted. I'm quite certain it was the former though, as does everybody here.

The qualification that "due to turns 21 to 25 being blind at VLC, drivers aren't allowed to go slow there" is pathetic. Surely one should apply such logic to suggest that one can't go slow on any part of the Monaco circuit.

#26 Kelateboy

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:03

Nico - "We know it's tricky in the last sector here and there is an agreement in place to stop things like this happening so it's frustrating."

Haug - "While Nico's first run in Q3 put him P1, his second ended in traffic as he caught a car in the final sector where you are not allowed to slow down."

If there is an agreement in place that nobody should slow down in sector 3, then Hamilton deserves a penalty.

#27 Kvothe

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:04

Rosberg doesn't agree:
"We know it's tricky in the last sector here and there is an agreement in place to stop things like this happening so it's frustrating."

disclaimer: I'm not rooting for a penalty.

Of course Rosberg doesn't agree.

#28 Jelinski619

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:04

Lewis Hamilton was born under investigation.

#29 peroa

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:04

Quite, but we were watching whoever it was coming up behind them, finishing their lap (can't remember who at this point). If they slowed any more, they would have impeded someone on an actual hot lap.

Not they, Rosberg would've.
Rosberg had the option and the duty to let Maldonado (who was on a hot lap) past if he wanted a clean lap, he chose not to.

Edited by peroa, 23 June 2012 - 16:05.

#30 TheWilliamzer

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:04

Urgh... *Jenson's voice*

Well, then Pastor should protest against Rosberg for the same reason.

#31 Theturkeyprize

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:05

No video, so I really cant make a decision...

#32 ZooL

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:05

Have the stewards never seen the queue that develops at Rascasse at Monaco every year when qualifying?

Don't talk such common sense.

#33 jrg19

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:05

Will everyone else who posted the same or a slower time in that sector on their out laps be penalized along with Lewis?

Some were probably slower than Lewis through that sector but doubt that will be looked into.

#34 Zava

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:06

Of course Rosberg doesn't agree.

I quoted him because he mentions some sort of agreement.

#35 jrg19

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:06

Is this official or is this speculation?

I think its Ted with his SkySports hat on. :lol:

#36 Kerch

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:07

What if a driver is sandwiched between cars such that speeding up on the out lap will ruin his flying lap? They can't seriously expect drivers to sacrifice their own lap so the person behind gets a clean run.

#37 MortenF1

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:07

Both were on out-laps, there is no question around that.

#38 windtravels

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:07

They were both on outlaps. Its rosbergs fault as much as anything, he should have backed off much earlier to make a gap.

Surely, surely no penalty can be given. maybe a token reprimand. A penalty would be laughable / deplorable / abhorent / everything wrong with f1 / etc

#39 Juggles

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:07

Is this official or is this speculation?

The second part of Kravitz's tweet shows it's official: "he's just been called to answer Rosberg's charge that LH ruined his lap.."

#40 peroa

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:07

But Ted is right, Lew ruined Rosberg's lap, problem is, it was just his outlap.

#41 Anomnader

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:08

No other twitters???

#42 Kelateboy

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:08

Urgh... *Jenson's voice*

Well, then Pastor should protest against Rosberg for the same reason.

Pastor should protest if his lap was compromised by Rosberg.

#43 Kvothe

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:08

I quoted him because he mentions some sort of agreement.

Of course, but is there a precedent for a driver's agreement leading to a penalty by the stewards?

#44 Zava

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:09

Lewis Hamilton was born under investigation.

: DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD today's 25 point punchline!

#45 Disgrace

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:09

Not they, Rosberg would've.
Rosberg had the option and the duty to let Maldonado (who was on a hot lap) past if he wanted a clean lap, he chose not to.

Surely it would be up to his team to let him know that he was behind him. By the point Maldonado was close enough, had Rosberg tried to let him through, he would have to sit still on the exit of the fast right-hander leading to the hairpin.

I feel you're being hasty in apportioning blame to the drivers, it looked to me just how things work out with traffic, which wasn't actually a big deal as two of them were on outlaps.

Edited by Disgrace, 23 June 2012 - 16:10.

#46 silversurf3r

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:10

Does anyone know the actual wording of the rules on this? If its never been specified by the FIA they can't dish out punishments. Or are they gonna start writing separate rules for Hamilton in hindsight of incidents.....

#47 Mc_Silver

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:10

If they were both on outlaps, then any penalty applied would be absolutely ludicrous and unjust. If Rosberg was on a lap though, then the penalty would be warranted. I'm quite certain it was the former though, as does everybody here.

The qualification that "due to turns 21 to 25 being blind at VLC, drivers aren't allowed to go slow there" is pathetic. Surely one should apply such logic to suggest that one can't go slow on any part of the Monaco circuit.

This.

Rosberg and Hamilton were on outlaps, you cannot say Lewis slowed rosberg and ruined his lap. These things happen in qualifying we all know that and no one penalized for such a thing before.

#48 Kvothe

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:10

: DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD today's 25 point punchline!

yeah I've already added it to my quote hall of fame.

#49 jjcale

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:10

The second part of Kravitz's tweet shows it's official: "he's just been called to answer Rosberg's charge that LH ruined his lap.."

I realised after I hit post ... and deleted... buy you guys are on the ball

Its bloody unbelievable ... isnt it.

Edited by jjcale, 23 June 2012 - 16:13.

#50 cilurnum

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Posted 23 June 2012 - 16:10

Can of worms. All drivers jockey for position on outlaps.

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Should Lewis be penalised?

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