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Home GP wins: Legends find a way

Started by nordschleife , Jun 24 2012 19:31

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#1 nordschleife

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 19:31

Winning one's home GP appears, by all accounts, to be the most special moment of a driver's career. The championship is a greater test and measure than whatever can happen on one day however you can't argue with the genuine reaction of those who deliver before their countrymen and receive their immediate approval. It must be the ultimate commendation yet humbling.

SCHUMACHER Michael Germany 9

PROST Alain France 6

CLARK Jim Great Britain 5
MANSELL Nigel Great Britain 5

FANGIO Juan Manuel Argentina 4

ALONSO Fernando Spain 2
ASCARI Alberto Italy 2
MOSS Stirling Great Britain 2
STEWART Jackie Great Britain 2
FITTIPALDI Emerson Brazil 2
PIQUET Nelson Brazil 2
SENNA Ayrton Brazil 2
COULTHARD David Great Britain 2
SCHUMACHER Ralf Germany 2
MASSA Felipe Brazil 2

ANDRETTI Mario USA West 1 (+ Italy, just to be sure)

FARINA Giuseppe Italy 1
BROOKS Tony Great Britain 1
COLLINS Peter Great Britain 1
SCARFIOTTI Ludovico Italy 1
PACE Carlos Brazil 1
SCHECKTER Jody South Africa 1
HUNT James Great Britain 1
VILLENEUVE Gilles Canada 1
JABOUILLE Jean-Pierre France 1
WATSON John Great Britain 1
ARNOUX René France 1
LAUDA Niki Austria 1
de ANGELIS Elio Italy 1
PATRESE Riccardo Italy 1
HILL Damon Great Britain 1
HERBERT Johnny Great Britain 1
HAMILTON Lewis Great Britain 1
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When talk turns to motor racing's supposed triple crown or grand slam or comparing this career to that one I think that home GP records should also be noted as they are exceptional motivators. The legends wouldn't be denied.
Would it not be appropriate to regard a home GP win as an achievement equal to a Le Mans or Indy 500 win?
*And, yes, it's unfair that many drivers don't have a home GP available to them. C'est la vie.

Edited by nordschleife, 25 June 2012 - 14:13.

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#2 scheivlak

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 20:01

It looks like you've counted Alonso winning the European GP today as a home win - no problem, but then you have count Michael Schumacher 5 (I think) European GP wins in Germany as well.
So that would give him 9 home GP wins.

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#3 lustigson

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 20:05

It looks like you've counted Alonso winning the European GP today as a home win - no problem, but then you have count Michael Schumacher 5 (I think) European GP wins in Germany as well.
So that would give him 9 home GP wins.

Good point.

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#4 PayasYouRace

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 20:09

MANSELL Nigel Great Britain 5

1985, 1986, 1987, 1991, 1992

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#5 nordschleife

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 20:19

Thanks all, you bet they count.

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#6 TheWilliamzer

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 20:22

Nothing like Nigel winning in Britain then the crazy crowd surrounds him!

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#7 PayasYouRace

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 20:46

Mansell used to drive at a whole other level when the crowd was behind him. He fed off their energy to produce something special.

IIRC Ralf won at the Nurburgring in 03 and at Hockenheim in 01 so there's another one.

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#8 Les

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 20:51

Of course Prost could have had 7 home wins as Arnoux broke a team order in 82 to 'steal' the win from him.

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#9 jeze

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 21:05

Yeah of course drivers from Finland have had lots of chances of home wins :wave:

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#10 BRK

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 21:05

Home GP wins are always crazy and emotional, none more so than at the Brazilian GPs.

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#11 CONOSUR

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 22:17

Yeah of course drivers from Finland have had lots of chances of home wins

Very treu...

But, there is still a valid point to make for the OP.

As regards the Finns, they just haven't had the opportunity, so their lack of results in the standings should, at least, require an *asterisk to the table.

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#12 nordschleife

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Posted 24 June 2012 - 23:10

Before anyone brings this up, can you give me a break and leave Monaco residency out of this. :wave:

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#13 Henrytheeigth

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 01:44

Just wish Mark would win at the Australian GP. Will it ever happen?

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#14 Jimisgod

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 04:33

Just wish Mark would win at the Australian GP. Will it ever happen?

He performs at a whole lower level there. Something bad always arrives for old Mark.

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#15 PayasYouRace

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 07:34

It's interesting how some drivers just seem to feel the pressure at home, while others thrive of the home support. Jenson Button also seems to have poor results at home.

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#16 Rob

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 08:10

Patrese and de Angelis won once each at the San Marino GP, which counts as a home race for Italians.

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#17 santori

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 08:16

Nelson Piquet also won the 1982 Brazilian GP (and collapsed on the podium) but he and second placed Rosberg were controversially disqualified, giving the victory to Prost. (They'd taken advantage of a loophole in the rules but, as far as I remember, hadn't actually done anything illegal. This was during the FISA-FOCA war and led the FOCA teams to boycott the San Marino Grand Prix, accidentally leading to the Villeneuve-Pironi rift). Piquet still counts his home victories as three, I think, and Rosberg's also said that the disqualification was nonsense.

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#18 PayasYouRace

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 09:02

Probably best not to get into controversial disqualifications. The record books show they were disqualified so that's that. Same reason James Hunt's 1976 Brands "win" shouldn't be counted.

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#19 OfficeLinebacker

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 11:45

Yeah of course drivers from Finland have had lots of chances of home wins

Good point.

Was there a Swedish GP when Ronnie Peterson was racing?

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#20 Risil

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 11:48

Yep, and it stopped after his (and Gunnar Nilsson's) death.

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#21 zepunishment

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 12:37

Yep, and it stopped after his (and Gunnar Nilsson's) death.

Was it Anderstorp where the police were equipped with dogs and batons and weren't too friendly?

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#22 nordschleife

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 12:45

I believe that was the Dutch GP at Zandvoort where Clark and Chapman were held.

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#23 nordschleife

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 13:17

Probably best not to get into controversial disqualifications. The record books show they were disqualified so that's that. Same reason James Hunt's 1976 Brands "win" shouldn't be counted.

Hmm. Let's tease the question out a little. In such circumstances the eventual winner gets the satisfaction of knowing that he won under the rules and that's what history will show. However, the temporary winner "drank the milk" (as Graham told Jimmy at Indy). Standing there on the top step with the wreath around your neck or whatever before a sea of your homies must be unforgettable, even if the cheque doesn't clear. Whether the ruling was justified or not the temporary winner would tend to discount the case against the win and believe his eyes. That driver could be wrong telling himself that he won but he would be right telling himself "that was my day." And that's the feeling at the core of this thread. The list is provided to supplement the discussion with facts. The truth lies beyond that.

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#24 Risil

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 13:27

Was it Anderstorp where the police were equipped with dogs and batons and weren't too friendly?

I think that description would qualify for just about everywhere in Europe in the '70s and '80s.

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#25 montoyasminion

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 13:29

He performs at a whole lower level there. Something bad always arrives for old Mark.

Exactly like Rubens was in Brazil. You know either he will be slow or if he's up front something bad will happen.

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#26 Juggles

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 12:21

I just realised something vaguely interesting.

We have just started what I would call the 'second third' of the season, i.e. the six straight European races of Valencia, Silverstone, Hockenheim, Budapest, Spa and Monza, before Singapore signals the beginning of the home stretch (7 flyaway races). The first 7 races suggested that this championship will likely be between Alonso, Hamilton and Vettel, and despite Vettel and Hamilton retiring there was little that happened at Valencia to suggest this won't be the case.

So, how fitting would it be if after Alonso became the first repeat winner of 2012 in his home country, Hamilton is able to win the British Grand Prix at the next race and then Vettel is able to win the German Grand Prix at the race after that. Could there be a more perfect way to set the stage for the second half of season battle between these three titans of the sport?

The most exciting thing about it is that I think there is genuinely a reasonable chance of it happening. The McLaren should be strong at Silverstone with its excellent aero (provided Red Bull aren't really as far ahead as they seemed to be in Valencia) and who would bet against Vettel at Hockenheim?

It would be a nice little piece of history if it did happen. Fingers crossed.

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#27 HistoryFan

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 13:08

If we count also non wc grand prix and the grand prix before 1906 we had this list:

Tazio Nuvolari (ITA) 11
Rudolf Caracciola (GER) 9
Jim Clark (GBR) 9
Stirling Moss (GBR) 9
Michael Schumacher (GER) 9
Alberto Ascari (ITA) 8
Juan-Manuel Fangio (ARG) 7
Jackie Stewart (GBR) 7
Achille Varzi (ITA) 7
Alain Prost (FRA) 6

There were many races in one country at the early time.