Vergne cheapshot on Kovalainen
#1
Posted 24 June 2012 - 15:10
Firing Alguersuari is making Helmut Marko look silly.
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#2
Posted 24 June 2012 - 15:12
#3
Posted 24 June 2012 - 15:12
#4
Posted 24 June 2012 - 15:15
Helmut Marko needs to reasses this guy. Cheapshot on Kovalainen and awful performances so far..
Firing Alguersuari is making Helmut Marko look silly.
The whole STR thing is making Helmut Marko look silly. I'm sorry for a potential team's drivers - miserable car where you can show zero performance. Look at FI and what they have achieved in what, 5 years?
Anyway, Vergne is a joke. I'm sure Alg would've wiped him out.
#5
Posted 24 June 2012 - 15:22
About the cheapshot, that was a complete wtf moment.
#6
Posted 24 June 2012 - 16:57
#7
Posted 24 June 2012 - 16:59
Now we're finding out whether these guys are the new superstars, and so far we've got very mixed signals. They were both excellent in Melbourne, Ricciardo has had some great qualifying with JEV some good races, but it's clear the car has fallen behind and with it some of the driver performance.
JEV is slow in qualifying which is disappointing, but this race is his first DNF, and first really bad weekend on his part.
Edited by Disgrace, 24 June 2012 - 17:00.
#8
Posted 24 June 2012 - 17:07
#9
Posted 24 June 2012 - 17:09
Had to laugh because basically Vergne's puncture was the one that sent out the SC which completely ruined Vettel's race. Won't impress Helmut of course.
Edited by fatd, 24 June 2012 - 17:11.
#10
Posted 24 June 2012 - 17:11
Such a shame that Jaime was replaced by Vergne. Both current drivers are overated as hell by Horner and Marko.
It's pretty disappointing to watch JEV. Ricciardo I think is ok, and has a good attitude, but watching Vergne just makes me sad.
#11
Posted 24 June 2012 - 17:12
Of course they must promote their young drivers, but they should have promoted just one, and them the next year promoted the other. I don't like this idea of putting two rookies together.There's no point of Red Bull having their young driver programme if they don't promote the best drivers in the system to F1. They're looking for the new Vettel, which the previous two drivers weren't.
Now we're finding out whether these guys are the new superstars, and so far we've got very mixed signals. They were both excellent in Melbourne, Ricciardo has had some great qualifying with JEV some good races, but it's clear the car has fallen behind and with it some of the driver performance.
JEV is slow in qualifying which is disappointing, but this race is his first DNF, and first really bad weekend on his part.
#12
Posted 24 June 2012 - 17:12
#13
Posted 24 June 2012 - 17:15
Of course they must promote their young drivers, but they should have promoted just one, and them the next year promoted the other. I don't like this idea of putting two rookies together.
Fair enough, I was personally not impressed at the dropping of Jaime myself after his great latter season last year. It also means no reference point for the team.
However, we have seen rookie lineups work in the past, Jordan in 1997 I always think of. The reference point also might not be as impressive as he should like Rubens last year against Pastor. I think it's worth the risk for a team whose sole purpose is to find the best drivers for the senior team.
#14
Posted 24 June 2012 - 17:16
Of course they must promote their young drivers, but they should have promoted just one, and them the next year promoted the other. I don't like this idea of putting two rookies together.
I think they decided that both Alg and Buemi are not on the RBR level. So, they picked up next drivers from their program to evaluate them.
#15
Posted 24 June 2012 - 17:19
I think they decided that both Alg and Buemi are not on the RBR level. So, they picked up next drivers from their program to evaluate them.
Yep, that was exactly it. I thought that dropping both drivers was brutal, but when you think about what the purpose of the Toro Rosso program is, it makes sense.
#16
Posted 24 June 2012 - 17:20
#17
Posted 24 June 2012 - 17:33
JEV via Twitter "All my apologies to @H_Kovalainen, rookie, not rookie, just my mistake and will learn from it..."
I guess someone finally showed him the video. In interviews he was going "uh, I just turned in for the corner and I was ahead...".
#18
Posted 24 June 2012 - 17:37
Maybe his debut came a bit too soon, after all, the original plan was to let Alguersuari or Buemi race alongside Ricciardo and let Vergne drive Friday sessions. Too bad his debut has been rushed.
Edited by DutchQuicksilver, 24 June 2012 - 17:38.
#19
Posted 24 June 2012 - 17:39
Helmut Marko needs to reasses this guy. Cheapshot on Kovalainen and awful performances so far..
Firing Alguersuari is making Helmut Marko look silly.
Will not be surprised if Vegne is waiting for Marko with his head in the chopping block.
His incident with Kovalainen triggered the Safety Car and arguably the outcome of the race.
Edited by fabr68, 24 June 2012 - 17:40.
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#20
Posted 24 June 2012 - 17:43
I think they decided that both Alg and Buemi are not on the RBR level. So, they picked up next drivers from their program to evaluate them.
That's all very well, but they told Alguersuari his seat was safe and then fired him when it was too late to find a seat elsewhere. He'd turned down offers because he thought he was staying with STR.
#21
Posted 24 June 2012 - 18:03
#22
Posted 24 June 2012 - 18:15
#23
Posted 24 June 2012 - 18:20
That's indeed the only thing I think off when I see him drive (perform) this year.He's still young but his comments about doing as good-a-job as Webber are starting to look even more silly than they were then.
Vergne is overrated, and the most by himself; He dared to say that everybody, and he himself particularly, could have done a better job at Red Bull in 2010. He makes the most stupid moves/crashes and always says he didn't do anything wrong but the other guy is at fault. After those stupid moves, he simply carries on doing stupid things (like driving his car into retirement today after the puncture).
Edited by F.M., 24 June 2012 - 18:21.
#24
Posted 24 June 2012 - 18:30
Personally I'm much more disappointed by STR as a team in general, and predictably it's impossible to say how much of it is down to the drivers since they didn't keep one from last year.
#25
Posted 24 June 2012 - 21:11
He's still young but his comments about doing as good-a-job as Webber are starting to look even more silly than they were then.
That comment was probably meant the RBR car ( Abu Dhabi Young Driver F1 test).. and note the STR ​​car he drives today.
If it´s someone as overrate Jean-Eric Vergne it´s not only Helmut Marko and Christian Horner you can add
Ian Morgan (Head of Race Engineering at Redbull Racing F1 Team). Trevor Carlin (Team principal Carlin Motorsport).
Personally I don't think he is overrated, and everyone can do mistakes in a race.
#26
Posted 24 June 2012 - 21:55
#27
Posted 24 June 2012 - 21:57
#28
Posted 24 June 2012 - 22:00
Edited by Toffeli, 24 June 2012 - 22:03.
#29
Posted 24 June 2012 - 22:02
Anyone has a video?
(the video isn't mine)
#30
Posted 24 June 2012 - 22:09
He's still young but his comments about doing as good-a-job as Webber are starting to look even more silly than they were then.
I'd forgotten about that. Good point!!
#31
Posted 24 June 2012 - 22:11
Here's couple
Thanks, that was fast
(the video isn't mine)
And well, nothing to add really, that was clearly a stupid mistake by Vergne...
#32
Posted 24 June 2012 - 22:23
That comment was probably meant the RBR car ( Abu Dhabi Young Driver F1 test).. and note the STR ​​car he drives today.
If it´s someone as overrate Jean-Eric Vergne it´s not only Helmut Marko and Christian Horner you can add
Ian Morgan (Head of Race Engineering at Redbull Racing F1 Team). Trevor Carlin (Team principal Carlin Motorsport).
Personally I don't think he is overrated, and everyone can do mistakes in a race.
It was a ridiculous claim, which he had no right to make and comes home to roost when he makes mistakes like he did today which put him out of the race and nearly put Kovalainen out too.
#33
Posted 24 June 2012 - 22:31
#34
Posted 24 June 2012 - 22:35
#35
Posted 24 June 2012 - 22:47
I have no clue what he was trying to do there but every driver has brain farts
#36
Posted 24 June 2012 - 22:53
Being a Canadian I watched the Formula Renault quite closely last year. Vergne was beaten to the championship by his team-mate - Robert Wickens, from Toronto. Who got the try in F1? Vergne. Give Wickens a chance.
I thought Wickens was dropped from the Red Bull programme.
#37
Posted 24 June 2012 - 22:55
They should've gone with Rob Wickens.
This.
#38
Posted 24 June 2012 - 23:15
#39
Posted 25 June 2012 - 00:00
Being a Canadian I watched the Formula Renault quite closely last year. Vergne was beaten to the championship by his team-mate - Robert Wickens, from Toronto. Who got the try in F1? Vergne. Give Wickens a chance.
Now he has his chance in the DTM, remember Di Resta?
Too bad he's terrible there.
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#40
Posted 25 June 2012 - 00:06
Edited by Andrew Hope, 25 June 2012 - 00:07.
#41
Posted 25 June 2012 - 00:15
I thought Wickens was dropped from the Red Bull programme.
Wickens was never in (as far as I know) the Red Bull drivers program - which I suppose explains why J-E V is in F1 and Wickens is in an uncompetitive DTM ride...
#42
Posted 25 June 2012 - 00:18
Now he has his chance in the DTM, remember Di Resta?
Too bad he's terrible there.
What team did DiResta race for? What team is Wickens racing for?
#43
Posted 25 June 2012 - 00:25
Erm, no, this was ******** from day one, they should never have binned both of their drivers and they are essentially starting from scratch with 3 years of proof showing that starting from scratch takes at least 3 years.
#44
Posted 25 June 2012 - 00:42
Edited by bourbon, 25 June 2012 - 00:44.
#45
Posted 25 June 2012 - 00:53
Unfortunately JEV's car was parked in the pit box of STR preventing him from getting a pit stop and declining him of points which is **** play from STR (how can you not think of that? before the safety car was even deployed I was screaming at the TV saying they better get his ****ing car out of the way.. Instead they were playing with the disintegrated rubber!)
Anyway, as a blatant Ric fan my opinion might not be taken seriously but atm I'd say JEV has more to prove (they are both doing a good job though, and I believe in the end both will be better than Alg and Buemi)
#46
Posted 25 June 2012 - 01:00
#47
Posted 25 June 2012 - 01:09
I still think Ric is actually very far ahead of Vergne. Most of the time Ric has actually had better race pace but STR often split the strategies, with Vergne coming out with the better more often (I question this motive - is this teams objective to score points or assess young drivers? assessing them should mean placing them on the same strategy, right?). In China or Malaysia, wherever Vergne scored points, they kept him out and brought Ric in. Opposites in Monaco, along with Ric's issues led him to be behind his teammate despite showing far better pace when both were at a similar stage in tyre wear. This race Ric actually got a decent start and was more confident in overtaking by the looks of it and it showed.
Unfortunately JEV's car was parked in the pit box of STR preventing him from getting a pit stop and declining him of points which is **** play from STR (how can you not think of that? before the safety car was even deployed I was screaming at the TV saying they better get his ****ing car out of the way.. Instead they were playing with the disintegrated rubber!)
Anyway, as a blatant Ric fan my opinion might not be taken seriously but atm I'd say JEV has more to prove (they are both doing a good job though, and I believe in the end both will be better than Alg and Buemi)
I'd agree about DR - I think he's worth keeping and has proved it. But Vergne need a head shake....
#48
Posted 25 June 2012 - 03:49
I still think Ric is actually very far ahead of Vergne. Most of the time Ric has actually had better race pace but STR often split the strategies, with Vergne coming out with the better more often (I question this motive - is this teams objective to score points or assess young drivers? assessing them should mean placing them on the same strategy, right?). In China or Malaysia, wherever Vergne scored points, they kept him out and brought Ric in. Opposites in Monaco, along with Ric's issues led him to be behind his teammate despite showing far better pace when both were at a similar stage in tyre wear. This race Ric actually got a decent start and was more confident in overtaking by the looks of it and it showed.
Unfortunately JEV's car was parked in the pit box of STR preventing him from getting a pit stop and declining him of points which is **** play from STR (how can you not think of that? before the safety car was even deployed I was screaming at the TV saying they better get his ****ing car out of the way.. Instead they were playing with the disintegrated rubber!)
Anyway, as a blatant Ric fan my opinion might not be taken seriously but atm I'd say JEV has more to prove (they are both doing a good job though, and I believe in the end both will be better than Alg and Buemi)
#49
Posted 25 June 2012 - 04:10
I still think Ric is actually very far ahead of Vergne. Most of the time Ric has actually had better race pace but STR often split the strategies, with Vergne coming out with the better more often (I question this motive - is this teams objective to score points or assess young drivers? assessing them should mean placing them on the same strategy, right?). In China or Malaysia, wherever Vergne scored points, they kept him out and brought Ric in. Opposites in Monaco, along with Ric's issues led him to be behind his teammate despite showing far better pace when both were at a similar stage in tyre wear. This race Ric actually got a decent start and was more confident in overtaking by the looks of it and it showed.
Unfortunately JEV's car was parked in the pit box of STR preventing him from getting a pit stop and declining him of points which is **** play from STR (how can you not think of that? before the safety car was even deployed I was screaming at the TV saying they better get his ****ing car out of the way.. Instead they were playing with the disintegrated rubber!)
Anyway, as a blatant Ric fan my opinion might not be taken seriously but atm I'd say JEV has more to prove (they are both doing a good job though, and I believe in the end both will be better than Alg and Buemi)
#50
Posted 25 June 2012 - 04:19
The other thing is the french aren't here to defend themselves against the aussies..