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What happens to old parts?

Started by fosters35 , Aug 07 2012 08:28

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#1 fosters35

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 08:28

Just curious about this.

As the teams upgrade/develop and use new front wings, side pods etc, what happens to the old parts that are in perfect usable condition.
i'm guessing nothing can be recycled so what happens to them?

#2 Enkei

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 08:31

http://www.mclaren.c...ultimate-garage

#3 fosters35

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 08:33

http://www.mclaren.c...ultimate-garage

Wow! Didn't know about that. Cheers

#4 pUs

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 09:44

http://www.mclaren.c...ultimate-garage

Wow. That's mighty. A lot of great classics there.. :up:

#5 F1ultimate

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 09:51

How does Ron Dennis put that down as value on an annual report. That's some serious history his 19 years old daughter will inherit.

#6 Peat

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 10:32

I went around one team's facility a few weeks ago. They had rack after rack of development parts that had been tried, tested, rejected or run & superseded. I asked what happens to them and i was told that they are kept in quarantine for a year or so and then they are destroyed and recycled into various other crap (non-m'sport related).

#7 jimjimjeroo

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 11:19

I suppose a side pod developed in march may not work with the current front wing, but a July front wing may work better with an earlier side pod!?

Also the risk of it falling into enemy hands are greater if they are disposed off immediately 1 year on they're obsolete

#8 Disgrace

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 11:26

I suppose a side pod developed in march may not work with the current front wing, but a July front wing may work better with an earlier side pod!?

It doesn't matter when the cars aren't racing, for example the Red Bull bastard (show) car. I wonder what that looks like in a wind tunnel compared to a proper car.

#9 Dolph

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 11:32

#10 Atreiu

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 12:26

Another reason for spec chassis!

#11 B Squared

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 12:28

Dolph - I posted the photo above in the CART Indy Car history thread almost four years ago. It was taken during the "Bench Racing" weekend annually hosted by Jack Martin in March. Chris Economaki was the speaker at that years dinner. The Ganassi race shop visit was a part of the weekend, the wall display was impressive to say the least.

photo: B²
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#12 Murdoch

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 12:58

http://www.mclaren.c...ultimate-garage

I always assumed that 'unit 2' was their old facility in Sheerwater, the original base before the MTC was built? I still see McLaren vans/van with trailers going to a fro from there.

I might be wrong though.

#13 korzeniow

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 13:14

Another reason for spec chassis!

Are you serious? I couldn't detect sarcasm

#14 Atreiu

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 13:53

Totally serious.
Wings, EBDs, winglets, etc and so on don't interest me. Neither does it make any significant contribution to see Caterham, Marussia and HRT being dead stuck on the back of the grid indefinitely because they are always two or three steps behind while sharing the same engines. If we imagine a scenario with stable rules, why not allow customer chassis? That way STR could just be the Red Bull B it's supposed to be, where Newey could try radical parts or whatever and Marko could try youngsters on proven cars. And the whole grid would be better sharing development costs instead of letting money sucking black holes called wind tunnels and simulators become be all end all.
And then open up the engine regulations, because that's where the "souls" of the cars are, so to speak. "Frozen rev-limited V8s whose origins date to over a decade ago", you could fool someone into thinking those were GP2 or DTM engines or anything else except F1...

Edited by Atreiu, 07 August 2012 - 13:54.

#15 rossbrawn

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 13:55

Another reason for spec chassis!

Never!

Edited by rossbrawn, 07 August 2012 - 13:55.

#16 Bloggsworth

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 14:02

We fade away....... Oh! Parts.

#17 midgrid

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 14:28

When Swiss car enthusiast and museum owner Peter Monteverdi acquired the Onyx F1 team in 1990, it was rumoured that his collection of classic cars was scoured for spare parts that could be used on team's Grand Prix cars...

#18 Dolph

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 14:50

Dolph - I posted the photo above in the CART Indy Car history thread almost four years ago. It was taken during the "Bench Racing" weekend annually hosted by Jack Martin in March. Chris Economaki was the speaker at that years dinner. The Ganassi race shop visit was a part of the weekend, the wall display was impressive to say the least.

photo: B²

Its a nice photo.

#19 Anders Torp

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 17:27

Jordan GP used to sell some used parts. I bought a rear wheel from them.

#20 midgrid

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 19:18

Jordan GP used to sell some used parts. I bought a rear wheel from them.

Indeed, I also remember Toyota auctioning off a load of stuff when the F1 operation was closed down. The few dedicated motorsports shops that exist in the UK also tend to have the old car part - the (now-closed) shop in York had a Stewart SF-3 rear wing endplate and the shop formerly known as Alex Reade in London has/had a Leyton House-March nosecone.

#21 Jejking

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 20:58

What I'm curious about: what happens with used F1 tyres, re-melted?*

*copyright.

Edited by Jejking, 07 August 2012 - 20:58.

#22 Zippel

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 23:51

What I'm curious about: what happens with used F1 tyres, re-melted?*

*copyright.

One of the tyres Piquet used to win the 1990 Adelaide GP is on display at the State Library so there's one.

#23 gm914

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 00:10

We fade away....... Oh! Parts.

Beat me to it. I was going to say "They get jobs at the BBC".

#24 teejay

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 01:26

The Ganassi pic is impressive, but are they all the same years chasis?

#25 B Squared

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 01:49

The Ganassi pic is impressive, but are they all the same years chasis?

Not from what I remember, we were told that there were cars of Vasser, Zanardi, Montoya plus others. I took the photo in March 2005, so they are representative of the 04 model year chassis and back.

#26 pingu666

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 01:52

theres 15 visable, all same piantjob so unlikely i would of thought, but ive no idea how many chassis they used across a season. its still a thing in nascar to have a big inventory, but on f1 it seems to have become much less.

#27 teejay

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 02:48

Ah ok.

Vasser was 96, so 9 years of history there.

Having said that there wasnt massive changes through most of the late 90's.

You would presume each season would be 1 car per driver, 1 spare per driver, maybe a testing car?

#28 packapoo

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 04:58

What I'm curious about: what happens with used F1 tyres, re-melted?*

*copyright.

Better then that!
If you believe everything that Pirelli Paul waffles, even the UNUSED units from a F1 event are gathered up and carted back to the UK for 'recycling'.

#29 Black Widow

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 07:46

What happens to old farts?

They should die and go to ground gracefully.

Oh ****, did I miss read that!

Old farts, pre-twitter days, genuinely interested in winning but not always good enough.

Old farts post twitter days, interest in getting laid, but Sunday is holey!

New farts post twitter and everything else, man who gives a ****, that we be $20.00 please.

But, what, how?

It doesn't matter, I'll be right Jack!

P.S. Old parts --> great coffee table or unique faucet for shower, think about it)

P.S. No response necessary, way off in Pixi Land.

#30 DogEarred

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 11:21

You should see the skiploads of 50/60% scale wind tunnel model parts that get thrown out for destruction or recycling.
Composite, rapid prototyped, tooling block, moulds, jigs & aluminium expensively machined parts. Literally ten of thousands of rejected parts every year. (Slightly less so after the aero testing restrictions came into place.) They have them destroyed to avoid their precious little secrets being detected.

More than one Technical Director insists on all the bodywork being painted. Very pretty but labour intensive & of little practical use.

#31 SKL

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 12:07

We've got an old brake disc from one of Vasser's CART cars. They were selling old stuff at Road America and my son had to have it... of course, DAD didn't mind...I think it was $5.

#32 teejay

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Posted 08 August 2012 - 14:48

You should see the skiploads of 50/60% scale wind tunnel model parts that get thrown out for destruction or recycling.
Composite, rapid prototyped, tooling block, moulds, jigs & aluminium expensively machined parts. Literally ten of thousands of rejected parts every year. (Slightly less so after the aero testing restrictions came into place.) They have them destroyed to avoid their precious little secrets being detected.

More than one Technical Director insists on all the bodywork being painted. Very pretty but labour intensive & of little practical use.

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Who?

Of all the promo vids etc I have seen of scale windtunnel cars etc, never seen a single one painted