Marko; "Sauber perhaps the best car in the field" [split]

Helmut Marko: 2012 Sauber 'Best Car On Grid'

Guess Perez won't be getting a Red Bull drive any time soon, at any rate...

Edited by Mauseri, 22 August 2012 - 21:55.

Helmut Marko: 2012 Sauber 'Best Car On Grid'

Edited by HP, 23 August 2012 - 08:02.

Besides, Button's quotes in that article are very suspect to me. Maybe Button said them, but in light of his year at McLaren, and only recently overcoming his setup issues, something doesn't add up. Button was interfering his car wasn't up to the job, while all the while he wasn't up to properly setup the car, and use the tire as best as he could. Really a cheap shot from Button on Perez, if indeed he said this.

Edited by KnucklesAgain, 23 August 2012 - 10:59.

Edited by maverick69, 23 August 2012 - 11:18.

Not a lot of context in that article (if any).

For example, if you were to say to me that the Sauber was the best car at managing its tyres over a race distance then I would probably agree with you..... with Lotus right up there too.

Ironically, I think that the best overall car is the one that Marko primarily oversees. Defo would prefer to be sitting in a RB8 this year than any other car...... and the WCC standings reflect that.

I think in this case all he's saying is that Pérez is driving the Sauber in the way it needs to be driven, and that you could not drive the Macca that way. (Conversely, Button could not drive the Sauber the way he needs to drive the Macca.) Doesn't say anything bad about Pérez, IMO

Edited by Mauseri, 23 August 2012 - 11:28.

The WCC reflects that the Red Bull pair is the strongest pair and are the only pair consistently performing. Far from having the best car.

The Mclaren is the best car by a margin IMO.

If Massa was replaced now by Perez, I don't think it would help Ferrari in any way.

I do think that we probably need just one thread where we can put all the stupid crap that comes out of Marko's mouth together.

The WCC reflects that the Red Bull pair is the strongest pair and are the only pair consistently performing. Far from having the best car.

The Mclaren is the best car by a margin IMO.

I think if you take away these crazy tyres, I reckon Mclaren have the best package, even better than Redbull.

It probably wouldn't help them, simply because Perez has no experience or knowledge of how the Ferrari works (both to drive and setup-wise). I think any driver would struggle when jumping in to a completely different car mid-season. If Perez actually had proper preperation I'm pretty sure he'd fare better than Massa has this year though.

I think if you take away these crazy tyres, I reckon Mclaren have the best package, even better than Redbull.

Edited by sailor, 23 August 2012 - 13:21.

Even if it were, Sauber is IMO good at spoting talent, but moving those talents forward isn't their forte. I do think if Sauber wants to improve, then they need to improve at their work on race weekend.

Also Sauber needs someone in their ranks to encourage and coach their drivers and the team to reach for the stars. IMO we'd seen less rookie and other mistakes, but more solid top results. And if that were so, Perez wouldn't want to move to Ferrari anyway.

Besides, Button's quotes in that article are very suspect to me. Maybe Button said them, but in light of his year at McLaren, and only recently overcoming his setup issues, something doesn't add up. Button was interfering his car wasn't up to the job, while all the while he wasn't up to properly setup the car, and use the tire as best as he could. Really a cheap shot from Button on Perez, if indeed he said this.

Edited by Sakae, 23 August 2012 - 13:30.

that is pretty crazy thing for marko to say

If you stuck 2010 Bridgestones on the cars McLaren would certainly be more competitive, probably Mercedes too, but Sauber would be nowhere imo

Just couple of races back J. Stewart suggested (via media) coaching Romain Grosjean, only to be brushed off (via media) by “no coaching is required”.

Sorry. But it is very well proven that the McLaren has an operating window, with these tyres, that is the size of a pea. Ergo a quality driver like JB being all at sea. Sure it may have the most latent speed over one lap - but it's hard to extract...... and it can end up falling out of that window quite a few times during the race..... which is not the best car is it? There's a wealth of articles and discussions on this - least of all from McLaren themselves. I'd much, much rather be sitting in a RB8 - especially that they are getting a handle on things.

Edited by PretentiousBread, 23 August 2012 - 14:25.

The WCC reflects that the Red Bull pair is the strongest pair and are the only pair consistently performing. Far from having the best car.

Looking at how every Marko recruit since Vettel has done, I can't take his words too seriously.

If you stuck 2010 Bridgestones on the cars McLaren would certainly be more competitive, probably Mercedes too, but Sauber would be nowhere imo

Edited by KnucklesAgain, 23 August 2012 - 21:37.

Edited by Alexandros, 24 August 2012 - 00:08.

Marko's comment is making Ferrari think twice about hiring Perez for next season, who is definitely a future star. Helmut doesn't want Ferrari to have their "Vettel" for the future, thus they try to ruin his credibility. Guys, don't you see it? He's obviously playing (somewhat sneakily) mindgames.

Marko's comment is making Ferrari think twice about hiring Perez for next season, who is definitely a future star. Helmut doesn't want Ferrari to have their "Vettel" for the future, thus they try to ruin his credibility. Guys, don't you see it? He's obviously playing (somewhat sneakily) mindgames.

Edited by BetaVersion, 09 September 2012 - 14:14.

Well, I was right about Spa, in my last post in here, and most importantly to this thread, Marko was not entirely wrong

Edited by Jovanotti, 09 September 2012 - 14:16.