Which car is quickest at this point of the season? Please vote in this pool. Only quali and race pace matters, don't include tyre management, reliablity etc.
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Jep, it's a complete picture to decide which car gets to the line first. Drivers ignored, on outright pace the McLaren has it in the bag in the dry. In the wet Ferrari is usually very good. But on tyre management the Ferrari and Red Bull are better than the Maccas. There is no real fastest at the moment, it's circuit-dependant.
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Overall, Red Bull for me. Their Valencia pace can't be ignored.
Posted 23 August 2012 - 21:35
After engne map ban it can
Posted 23 August 2012 - 21:46
The lotus.
While all the top cars have their strengths, I feel that Kimi's poor qualifying and Romain's failure to make it beyond the first lap on a consistent basis is flattering everyone else to an extent.
Posted 23 August 2012 - 21:49
But the quickest in qualy doesn't have to be the quickest in raceWhich car is quickest at this point of the season? Please vote in this pool. Only quali and race pace matters
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Mclaren is the fastest car at the moment. But this moment can change anytime and come Spa we might see some one else having the fastest car. Lotus comes a close second. If only for their improved qualifying they could have been the fastest package for the weekend. And then it's a tussle between RBR and Ferrari.The Melbourne Australian GP has more often than not been a good indicator of who has the fastest car on the grid where both cars qualify 1 & 2.
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I think Red Bull drivers have got the most out of an average car.So.
1. RedBull 1,9
2. Ferrai 2,6
3. Mclaren 3,1
4. Lotus 3,4
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 08:36
The lotus.
While all the top cars have their strengths, I feel that Kimi's poor qualifying and Romain's failure to make it beyond the first lap on a consistent basis is flattering everyone else to an extent.
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But on an overall basis the Lotus has been mighty quick on a variety of tracks, more so than any other team. I would put the Ferrari right up there as well since Spain.There is no out-and-out fastest car. There are several fastest cars dependant upon how certain tyres work on certain tracks in certain conditions. Tyres is everything.
Yes, the car is great (race performances) the drivers are shite (qualifying performances especially Räikkönen), most people get that.
What do you want to hear? That the car is rubbish and that the drivers, especially Raikkonen, are flattering it... Or that Raikkonen is doing the best he can...Hahaha. Finally some one spoke the non sense people like to hear.
But this is just it. When the car does perform well in qualifying then Grosjean sticks it where it belongs, only to mess it up in the race with an incident or poor pace. Kimi is the opposite, no pace in qualifying but fast in the race.
That car should have won multiple races already, that it hasn't is testament to the drivers being poor in one form or the other. I see nothing wrong with what Piquet Jr said.
Posted 24 August 2012 - 09:52
Yes, the car is great (race performances) the drivers are shite (qualifying performances especially Räikkönen), most people get that.
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Hardly but would you expect two drivers, one basically a rookie to be getting the maximum out of the car straight after they come back?
Posted 24 August 2012 - 10:17
There is no out-and-out fastest car. There are several fastest cars dependant upon how certain tyres work on certain tracks in certain conditions. Tyres is everything.
But on an overall basis the Lotus has been mighty quick on a variety of tracks, more so than any other team. I would put the Ferrari right up there as well since Spain.
What do you want to hear? That the car is rubbish and that the drivers, especially Raikkonen, are flattering it... Or that Raikkonen is doing the best he can...
I've said this before:
Not to mention the Andrew Benson piece where Raikkonen admits to under performing in qualifying for Hungarian GP. This cost him the victory and might have in other races as well like Valencia and Bahrain. As I've said that car should have won multiple races already but anything other than blowing Raikkonen's trumpet is frowned upon here. Always searching for crazy reasons for his under performance when the answer is staring them right in the face.
Posted 24 August 2012 - 10:49
In this instance yes, because we have one driver in the team putting the car in great places on the grid when the car is capable and the other not. In the race it is the reverse...So it has to be one way or other, either the drivers suck and car is great or the car is rubbish and drivers are magicians? Must be nice in your black and white world where's no nyances, reasons, charasteristics etc.
One qualifying? You must be joking... Grosjean has often been at the sharp end while Mr. Raikkonen has been further back... What are the excuses for this?That's one qualifying where they admittedly made error with the set up and qualified in terrrrrible slot number 5. Maybe you get frowned upon here because your over simplified statements like car should've won multiple races but it's only because Kimi underperforming that they havent.
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0 votes for Merc and some people rating Williams and Sauber better than Merc.
Seems like Merc top bosses had seen this thread via a time warp and decided to withdraw before facing the forum humiliation.
Edit Someone vote for Merc dammit
Posted 24 August 2012 - 10:58
In this instance yes, because we have one driver in the team putting the car in great places on the grid when the car is capable and the other not. In the race it is the reverse...
One qualifying? You must be joking... Grosjean has often been at the sharp end while Mr. Raikkonen has been further back... What are the excuses for this?
Qualified 11th in Bahrain, had race winning pace... 5th in Spain but had race winning pace... Same in Valencia... Same in Hungary... In all these instances he qualified behind his teammate and in Bahrain and Hungary it was with a sizeable advantage.