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Who deserves a 1 race ban? Grosjean or Maldonado

Started by Pendejo , Sep 02 2012 16:48

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Poll: Who deserves a 1 race ban? (179 member(s) have cast votes)

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Grosjean (25 votes [14.04%])
Percentage of vote: 14.04%
Maldonado (29 votes [16.29%])
Percentage of vote: 16.29%
Both (114 votes [64.04%])
Percentage of vote: 64.04%
Neither (10 votes [5.62%])
Percentage of vote: 5.62%

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#1 Pendejo

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 16:48

Grosjean: Involved in 7 first lap crashes in 12 races so far.
Maldonado: Punished by the FIA for 12 separate incidents in 12 races so far.

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#2 SR388

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 16:49

Can I be candid?

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#3 Disgrace

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 16:51

Grosjean: Involved in 7 first lap crashes in 12 races so far.
Maldonado: Punished by the FIA for 12 separate incidents in 12 races so far.

You are focussing on the wrong aspect on Maldonado. His racing errors do not warrant race bans.

The question is; what deserves punishment, Grosjeans lack of spatial awareness leading to numerous early crashes in racing conditions, or Maldonado deliberating ramming drivers in non-racing conditions?

The fact that the former has been punished to this extent before the latter is a joke.

Edited by Disgrace, 02 September 2012 - 16:55.

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#4 Muppetmad

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 16:53

Out of all this, one question remains in my mind: what more does Maldonado have to do to get the race ban he's deserved since this race last year? Will the stewards give him a free pass if he drives the wrong way through Parabolica next week?

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#5 SR388

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 16:59

Out of all this, one question remains in my mind: what more does Maldonado have to do to get the race ban he's deserved since this race last year? Will the stewards give him a free pass if he drives the wrong way through Parabolica next week?

I think at this point Pastor will need to punch Charlie Whiting to get a ban.

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#6 DanardiF1

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 17:01

I think at this point Pastor will need to punch Charlie Whiting to get a ban.

Can we arrange that somehow? No offence to Charlie, but whatever is needed to get rid of Maldonado is perfectly warranted IMO.

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#7 SR388

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 17:02

Can we arrange that somehow? No offence to Charlie, but whatever is needed to get rid of Maldonado is perfectly warranted IMO.

I will make some phone calls.

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#8 Andrew Hope

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 17:02

Neither deserve a race ban, I'd be happy with dropping 10 grid spots at Monza for both of them.

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#9 britishtrident

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 18:06

Add Schumacher's name to the list his nasty pit entry stunt was well out of order, but being Schumacher he got away with it.

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#10 King Six

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 18:13

Add Schumacher's name to the list his nasty pit entry stunt was well out of order, but being Schumacher he got away with it.

I wouldn't ban someone for the odd incident here and there. Even though that's happened before, but Grosjean and Maldonado display serious failures along the same lines again and again...

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#11 MinT

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 18:54

I race ban for Grosjean deserved.

On the other hand Maldonado should not be in F1 at all.......

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#12 ivand911

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 18:58

Add Schumacher's name to the list his nasty pit entry stunt was well out of order, but being Schumacher he got away with it.

"Red Bull Racing admitted to the stewards that their instruction to the driver of car #1 [Vettel] was to 'do the opposite of car #7 [Schumacher]'. Therefore when car #7 headed for the pit entry car #1 aborted its entry to the pits," said the officials' statement.

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#13 PayasYouRace

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 19:04

I'd say Pastor deserved a ban after what he did at Monaco. I'm not sure giving him one now would be correct though as so much time has passed. He doesn't deserve a ban for the race incidents he's been in since then.

Grosjean was reckless at the start today and caused a huge crash. It was entirely his fault and yes, I think he deserves a ban.

So I'll vote both, but for Pastor I really mean that he deserved a ban after Monaco.

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#14 BernieEc

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 19:06

They both deserve a racing ban......but Maldonado also deserves a prison sentence due to the fact he uses his car as a weapon to cause grievous body harm.......Thats GBH and its punishable by at least 18 months in prison

Edited by BernieEc, 02 September 2012 - 19:06.

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#15 Rakaman

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 19:14

They both deserve bans to be honest, but Grosjean's move was just stupid.

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#16 BigCHrome

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 19:27

I don't think it's fair for Maldonado to get a penalty for the next race for jumping the start.

Grosjean deserved the penalty because he's been way too careless at the starts.

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#17 William Hunt

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 21:52

Maldonado doesn't deserve a ban at all, ridiculous, he is already getting enough penalties that are far too harsh

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#18 gm914

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 21:54

Maldonado doesn't deserve a ban at all, ridiculous, he is already getting enough penalties that are far too harsh

Is your emoticon box not working? I can't see your :lol:

's and

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#19 Leyser

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 21:56

Where's the option of "one race for Grosjean and rest of season for Maldonado"?

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#20 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 22:03

I don't think it's fair for Maldonado to get a penalty for the next race for jumping the start.

Grosjean deserved the penalty because he's been way too careless at the starts.

They obviously felt they had to penalise him somehow for jumping the start though. Had he not retired then obviously he would've got a drive through penalty, and so they obviously felt that to not punish him for it just because he retired wouldn't be right.

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#21 F1ultimate

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 22:09

Maldonado is probably ******* bricks now. Let this ban be a warning to him. He is walking on thin ice now.

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#22 SB

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 01:50

1 race for GRO and 3 race ban for Mal. Thanks.

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#23 paulogman

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 02:02

grosjean deserves the ban,
maldonado is just under the microscope now because he is a pay driver and folks here like a good wind up.
I love all the crap about maldonado being dangerous too.
he's not any more dangerous than any other driver there.
and why should he be banned for monaco?
trying to pass a little early?
he's never going to be perfect, to old already to write this off as rough edges, but he is displaying the speed in the williams chassis and that's all that matters to me.
keep on crying about maldonado deserving a ban, it's hilarious

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#24 Dmitriy_Guller

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 03:47

Maldonado may yet get his race ban, it's just a matter of waiting for a pretext. You know that a driver is not a favorite of stewards when he gets a grid spot penalty for jumping a start. No one else on the grid would get such a bullshit of a penalty.

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#25 travbrad

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 06:09

Maldonado deserves a race ban more in my opinion because some of his incidents have clearly been malicious intentional crashes, or him being too hot-headed. That wasn't the case in this particular race, but I do feel a race ban was deserved the Perez crash in Monaco for example.

I can't argue against Grosjean getting a race ban either though. It may have just been a mistake, but these "mistakes" are happening far too often at the start of races. These are supposed to be the best drivers in the world so they should be able to handle a race start without crashing all the time.

and why should he be banned for monaco?
trying to pass a little early?

Perez was completely off the racing line moving slowly to let Maldonado past. There was absolutely no reason for Maldonado to swerve on to that part of the track other than to "scare" or crash in to Perez. I have watched 33 Monaco GPs and never seen anyone use that part of the race track other than to let a car past (while being lapped for example). You obviously no nothing about racing lines if you think he was just "passing a little early".

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#26 redbroccoli

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 06:20

I say starting from the pits for the rest of the year for GRO would be more appropriate penalty.
How in the world one can be involved in 7 crashes out of what, 12 races at the start?

MAL deserves a penalty, but not a race ban for Spa incidents.
Should have been 20 place grid penalty (10 for the jump start and another 10 for ramming GLO from behind), though.

For the entire season, I'd say both deserves a race ban for at least 1 GP.

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#27 Henrik B

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 06:23

Well the case with Maldonado is that FIA didn't catch his act last season. I still maintain that he was more to blame than Lewis for their Monaco clash but at that point in the season Lewis was automatically assumed guilty. Even more so in Spa, where I think FIA simply couldn't fathom that Maldonado did what he did. They simply assumed Lewis must've done something stupid (as he had done so many times earlier that season!).

With more penalties to his name last season I think he would've gotten a race ban after Monaco.

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#28 tabovilla

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 09:44

I say starting from the pits for the rest of the year for GRO would be more appropriate penalty.
How in the world one can be involved in 7 crashes out of what, 12 races at the start?

I've never read a more suiting penalty for RG, fits like a glove :up:

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#29 TFLB

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 12:21

I like him but Grosjean probably does deserve the ban, he's caused some massive crashes this year. Maldonado has had small crashes that didn't really endanger anyone to such an extent as Grosjean's. That said, he must be on the verge of a ban. Hopefully Grosjean's ban will serve as a warning to him. Both will be excellent drivers who can run at the front if they calm down.