http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/19532651
LDM suggesting GP's are too long currently and could be split into two races to try and find a younger audience. Also suggesting some summer races should be held in the early evening rather than just after lunch to find more viewers.
Good idea? I like the thought of two races but it's such a big change to the culture and how F1 operates.. i'm not sure how they'd do it really. Plus his three car teams idea never did seem to go anywhere.. so perhaps this is more of the same.
Luca di Montezemolo suggests cutting GP's into two smaller races
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 20:18
Too much like GP2.
Like Ecclestone, it's time for the retirement home for him.
Like Ecclestone, it's time for the retirement home for him.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 20:19
Endurance is part of what distinguishes F1 from other forms of motorsport.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 20:21
Also suggesting some summer races should be held in the early evening rather than just after lunch to find more viewers.
In the UK we have been told that number of viewers is unimportant, only that they are willing to pay.
Good idea? I like the thought of two races but it's such a big change to the culture and how F1 operates.. i'm not sure how they'd do it really. Plus his three car teams idea never did seem to go anywhere.. so perhaps this is more of the same.
Well F1 seems destined to cater to the lowest common denominator, and the current races are about 3x the attention span of those they are trying to attract with the current set of gimmicks.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 20:28
Shut-up, Luca. Go away.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 20:31
Well F1 seems destined to cater to the lowest common denominator, and the current races are about 3x the attention span of those they are trying to attract with the current set of gimmicks.
That's sad. F1 shouldn't try to attract the Kenny Block flat-brimmed cap crowd.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 20:38
Just because this is Italian GP weekend this guy thinks he is somehow entitled to give statements. Most of his ideas are stupid. Then, cut wind tunnel modeling, but let's have lot of in-season testing, let's cut down a lot of aero, let's have three cars and kick away the bottom third. Whatever is good for him and his team must be good for F1!
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 20:40
all nonsense.
he mustve hit his head badly during his summer vacation.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 20:42
No. 2 shorter races just turns it into a quicker verson of more or less any formulae below F1. Some races (this included) barely last 90mins on a dry day with no SC's anyway.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 20:43
It's called Grand Prix not Deux Petite Prix.
(excuse my crappy French if it's incorrect)
(excuse my crappy French if it's incorrect)
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 20:43
Idiotic. Even more idiotic to actually consider it.
Edited by Cyanide, 08 September 2012 - 20:43.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 20:43
Oh yeah, and one of them the wrong way around the circuit, and with the grid reversed. Also add two 0s after the score of each driver, 2500 points sounds better than 25 after a win.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 20:45
I'm all for a 20 lap race in F1- if it's on the Nordschliefe.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 20:49
No. No. No.
Although on the point of having races in the evening, since we're already shifting the Asian races to suit the European audience, why not go the full stretch and hold them at three in the morning local time?
Although on the point of having races in the evening, since we're already shifting the Asian races to suit the European audience, why not go the full stretch and hold them at three in the morning local time?
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 20:50
Two smaller races would make F1 boring. 20 laps would not be enough time for f1 cars to change much from the grid order. F1 is all about endurance and go last the 1 and half hours race.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 20:51
What a total horse's ass.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 20:52
"improve the show" - I hate that phrase.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 20:58
I hate this idea, but I get really worried with the way F1 has been going (DRS, bubblegum tyres) that shorter races are a very real possibility.
Apparently modern audiences aren't able to deal with anything that demands patience or concentration to extract enjoyment from, it all has to be wham bam action otherwise people will get bored.
I actually think this is nonsense and 'younger audiences' (what does this even mean? Didn't most of us get into F1 when we were younger?) are no cognitively different to audiences of the last 1/2 million years or so.
I want a 'sport', not a show, and F1 should be the most challenging of single seater racing series in every aspect. Sadly I think the idea of F1 as a sport died a long time ago in the hearts and minds of those that organise it.
Apparently modern audiences aren't able to deal with anything that demands patience or concentration to extract enjoyment from, it all has to be wham bam action otherwise people will get bored.
I actually think this is nonsense and 'younger audiences' (what does this even mean? Didn't most of us get into F1 when we were younger?) are no cognitively different to audiences of the last 1/2 million years or so.
I want a 'sport', not a show, and F1 should be the most challenging of single seater racing series in every aspect. Sadly I think the idea of F1 as a sport died a long time ago in the hearts and minds of those that organise it.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 20:59
It's called Grand Prix not Deux Petite Prix.
And no doubt Pirelli would introduce tyres that last for a single lap so the cars pit every lap? And what about brakes that melt above a certain temperature so they need changing regularly too? Why stop there. Make the drivers change-over every 5 laps so we can have some mid-race interviews too.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 20:59
I bet all these ideas we hear sometimes are an inside joke. Bernie and his medals won the thing last time. Good try Luca.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 21:01
Some of the things he says are right though, there's too much aero dependence. If they homologate things like wings and allow a new design every ~5 races and decrease wind tunnel running that will leave the teams with more money to fund engine development (which everyone agrees needs to be important).
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 21:27
Three years ago:
"We rather prefer to have even shorter races in which there is really competition between drivers, between technology, between teams, between cars, between technicians."
Q & A with Luca di Montezemolo
By Jonathan Noble
Sunday, April 26th 2009, 11:28 GMT
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/74865
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 21:38
Endurance is part of what distinguishes F1 from other forms of motorsport.
Endurance in what respect? Having to drive slow enough to conserve their tyres?;) The cars are hardly pushed these days.. engine failures are rare. And the drivers get out of the cars looking fresh most of the time.. bar a few really hot races each year. But other than that the only endurance imho is the tv viewer resisting the temptation not to fall asleep.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 21:40
He needs putting into a retirement home, this is an idiotic suggestion as are his other 'ideas'.
Poor guy is obviously senile
Poor guy is obviously senile
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 21:40
no, I like the long races, makes it more interesting and challenging for the drivers/teams as well.
I'm hardcore though cause even races that are on in the night in the UK I make sure to be awake for and watch all of! love F1 <3
I'm hardcore though cause even races that are on in the night in the UK I make sure to be awake for and watch all of! love F1 <3
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 21:43
Endurance in what respect? Having to drive slow enough to conserve their tyres?;) The cars are hardly pushed these days.. engine failures are rare. And the drivers get out of the cars looking fresh most of the time.. bar a few really hot races each year. But other than that the only endurance imho is the tv viewer resisting the temptation not to fall asleep.
Pirelli are perfectly capable of building a tyre that can be pushed hard and fast during a race - they've just been told not to. If the race is shorter the organisers would still try to find ways to 'spice up' the 'show'. Likewise I'm sure the teams could make cars that go faster for 90 minutes - they are just restricted, and I don't see how a shorter race format would lift that restriction.
By and large the races have been exciting this year, or at the very least interesting with plenty going on. If an hour and a half of that makes you fall asleep then maybe f1 isn't the sport for you? How do you cope with other sports that last 90 minutes, or films for that matter?
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 21:43
Good to see luca's still a tw#t
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 21:49
He's a parody of himself nowadays -seeing him in the Ferrari garage in Valencia patting Alonso's head for the camera and today walking into the McLaren garage and groping Ron Dennis' face - he's a character, but how can you take him seriously, he's a joke.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 21:52
If he keeps talking like this he might be a suitable candidate for Ecclestone's replacement. 
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 21:52
because obviously NASCAR is struggling with their race lengths ... 
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 21:58
You might get a new audience but lose the audience you already have, me included, utter rubbish
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 21:59
Shut-up, Luca. Go away.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 22:08
http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/19532651
LDM suggesting GP's are too long currently and could be split into two races to try and find a younger audience. Also suggesting some summer races should be held in the early evening rather than just after lunch to find more viewers.
Good idea? I like the thought of two races but it's such a big change to the culture and how F1 operates.. i'm not sure how they'd do it really. Plus his three car teams idea never did seem to go anywhere.. so perhaps this is more of the same.
As a young person I find your two paragraphs too long. Please consider reducing your posts to one paragraph in future.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 22:13
2 short races worked so well for fia gt1, i can see why he wants to copy that... 
i quite like the idea of racing into the evening though
, maybe only 1-2 races
i quite like the idea of racing into the evening though
, maybe only 1-2 races
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 22:25
because obviously NASCAR is struggling with their race lengths ...
Well. They are. It is increasingly more and more talk about shortening the races over there.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 22:29
It's called Grand Prix not Deux Petite Prix.
(excuse my crappy French if it's incorrect)
Deux Petits Prix
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 22:35
nascar cup races can be 3hours or more, easily, plus the laid back tv commentary makes things seem to drag abit perhaps. the radio commentary is very different.
cup races often have a just drive around for awhile then we ramp it up at the end style too
cup races often have a just drive around for awhile then we ramp it up at the end style too
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 22:48
Luca di Montezemolo suggests
I stopped reading here.
Just get this clown away from F1.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 23:04
http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/19532651
LDM suggesting GP's are too long currently and could be split into two races to try and find a younger audience. Also suggesting some summer races should be held in the early evening rather than just after lunch to find more viewers.
Good idea? I like the thought of two races but it's such a big change to the culture and how F1 operates.. i'm not sure how they'd do it really. Plus his three car teams idea never did seem to go anywhere.. so perhaps this is more of the same.
Dear oh dear.
He should stick to the strategy for their road car division, which is going very well.
Please stay away from making suggestions to FOM!
If anything the races could be longer, as the stars of the 1930s were required to slug it out in their 600 hp V16 supercharged beasts for around 600-800 km driving solo.
Edited by V8 Fireworks, 08 September 2012 - 23:06.
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I stopped reading here.
Just get this clown away from F1.
When did Jerry Seinfeld get so fat? =O
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 23:34
That's sad. F1 shouldn't try to attract the Kenny Block flat-brimmed cap crowd.
Please educate me on this guy, who is he and why do I need to see him in WRC? He usually looks out of his element and looks like he belongs in the high desert area of Southern California where the meth labs are.
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 23:40
Ken Block is in the WRC because the WRC is almost completely invisible and there are only 4-5 drivers who get paid to race.
Either he pays for his car, or there is one fewer car in the field. Pretty simple. Surely you cannot begrudge him that.
If would be nice if he would provide it for free for a youngster to drive a fully sponsored car , but he is hardly obliged to do that!!!!
Either he pays for his car, or there is one fewer car in the field. Pretty simple. Surely you cannot begrudge him that.
If would be nice if he would provide it for free for a youngster to drive a fully sponsored car , but he is hardly obliged to do that!!!!
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Ken Block is in the WRC because the WRC is almost completely invisible and there are only 4-5 drivers who get paid to race.
Either he pays for his car, or there is one fewer car in the field. Pretty simple. Surely you cannot begrudge him that.
If would be nice if he would provide for free for a youngster to drive a fully sponsored car with all his sponsors, but he is hardly obliged to do that!!!!
Either he pays for his car, or there is one fewer car in the field. Pretty simple. Surely you cannot begrudge him that.
If would be nice if he would provide for free for a youngster to drive a fully sponsored car with all his sponsors, but he is hardly obliged to do that!!!!
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Posted 08 September 2012 - 23:54
He needs putting into a retirement home, this is an idiotic suggestion as are his other 'ideas'.
Poor guy is obviously senile
And he is the boss of Ferrari you are ?
It's sad to read this really.
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Posted 09 September 2012 - 00:04
It was an idiotic suggestion when it was suggested in the past, and it's an idiotic suggestion now.
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Posted 09 September 2012 - 00:11
It's called Grand Prix not Deux Petite Prix.
(excuse my crappy French if it's incorrect)
Idiotic. Even more idiotic to actually consider it.
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Posted 09 September 2012 - 00:13
Like many of the people that are part of the F1 circus, he's realised that F1 has milked the fans, the circuits the tv companies, the sponsors, etc. to the maximum and the gravy train is over unless they find someone else to fleece.
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Posted 09 September 2012 - 01:30
Shut-up, Luca. Go away.
This.
