PS: Does anyone know if Ron Dennis is speaking to him yet?
huh?
Posted 26 September 2012 - 21:48
PS: Does anyone know if Ron Dennis is speaking to him yet?
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Posted 26 September 2012 - 21:48
Okay, you have a point. And you made it fairly, concisely and in a balanced manner. I don't think anyone has a problem with that. Do I agree with you think he's embarrassing himself? No but I'm sure we could sit down the pub together and discuss it.
The difference with that article is it's in no way balanced, has an agenda and is the worst kind of trolling, indeed unlike you and I down the pub having a nice chat and debating I'm sure this guy would get a punch in the face if he acted the way he writes.
Posted 26 September 2012 - 21:49
huh?
Posted 26 September 2012 - 21:51
Darren is the photographer who stuck his camera into DC's car at the Luxembourg GP of 97 and found McLaren's trick brake pedal. Dennis was pretty damn angry.
Posted 26 September 2012 - 21:54
Ah! Thanks
I find Darren's blog and tweets suprising given how he appeared in person (I had about a 20 mins chat with him at an exhbition of his photos, seemed like a really good guy).
Buxton loved his blog btw.
Posted 26 September 2012 - 21:57
again 90% of his achievements did not happen because he cheated. Yes he tried to take JV out in 97 he paid the price. Same in Monaco in 06. Australia 94. Was Damons own fault in my opinon and people will argue about that until the end of time. Even if you exclude 94. That is still 6 world championships which he won fair and square.
Posted 26 September 2012 - 21:57
Posted 26 September 2012 - 22:00
ha ha I am a british and Schumacher is my favorite of all time. I aimed my previous comment at the British media, because its true.
Posted 26 September 2012 - 22:13
He was hardly punished at all for Jerez 97! He never even missed a single event where at least a two season ban would have been reasonable.
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Posted 26 September 2012 - 22:43
The problem I have with the article is it's easy to be jumping on the bandwagon after an awful race with a silly mistake, had he written it after say Belgium it would have come across as a little bit more respectful and dare I say less "personally directed".
However, it is written by someone who frankly if he were to put the same thing down here would be sanctioned for trolling, he has a known history of dislike for Schumacher and it's clear that like some other unfortunate journalists & posters he merely waits for a "down weekend" to jump in and cast aspersions against all aspects of Schumachers career. The agenda is obvious unfortunately and that detracts from what could have been a solid piece of writing. There is no need to bring up anything from 91-06, deal with the 3 year return, and yes, 2010 he got slapped silly, sometimes in 2011 he showed good signs and in 2012 the general consensus has been he's been up to & maybe better on more occasions than his reasonably highly rated team-mate.
In fact, it's been mentioned here that this season despite NR winning his 1st race, his stock is significantly lower because he's only on a par with a 43yr old relic!
Maybe I should go back and check his blog for entries about Canada 2008 - god knows what he'd have made of that race and the driving errors by 2 drivers both much younger than MS is.
Poorly directed, poorly timed and woefully personal imo. Could do much better would be my report card for him.
Posted 26 September 2012 - 22:50
It's curious how much people who have a history of not having favourable views of Schumacher seem to worry about his 'legacy' and career statistics.
Posted 26 September 2012 - 22:56
Posted 26 September 2012 - 23:01
The problem I have with the article is it's easy to be jumping on the bandwagon after an awful race with a silly mistake, had he written it after say Belgium it would have come across as a little bit more respectful and dare I say less "personally directed".
However, it is written by someone who frankly if he were to put the same thing down here would be sanctioned for trolling, he has a known history of dislike for Schumacher and it's clear that like some other unfortunate journalists & posters he merely waits for a "down weekend" to jump in and cast aspersions against all aspects of Schumachers career. The agenda is obvious unfortunately and that detracts from what could have been a solid piece of writing. There is no need to bring up anything from 91-06, deal with the 3 year return, and yes, 2010 he got slapped silly, sometimes in 2011 he showed good signs and in 2012 the general consensus has been he's been up to & maybe better on more occasions than his reasonably highly rated team-mate.
In fact, it's been mentioned here that this season despite NR winning his 1st race, his stock is significantly lower because he's only on a par with a 43yr old relic!
Maybe I should go back and check his blog for entries about Canada 2008 - god knows what he'd have made of that race and the driving errors by 2 drivers both much younger than MS is.
Poorly directed, poorly timed and woefully personal imo. Could do much better would be my report card for him.
PS: Does anyone know if Ron Dennis is speaking to him yet?
Posted 26 September 2012 - 23:51
Posted 26 September 2012 - 23:53
Damn straight...Vettel's first race and a legend was born. Nobody has more poles, wins and WDC's since then!I don't disagree with Darren's blog one bit. Schumacher is washed up in his second career.... Known for being a hack with the illegal benneton and also the fast and fancy red car whose team mate pulled over for him in the first career.... True again LOL.
F1 was a sham in the early 2000's, the turning point to something exciting I think was 2005 thanks to Alonso and Kimi. Since then the racing has been off the hook. Then 2007 happened and now f1 is
Posted 26 September 2012 - 23:57
Perhaps because people fundamentally dislike cheaters and poor sportsmanship, and don't like to see the undeserving accepting accolades they have not earned?
Posted 27 September 2012 - 00:43
Isn't this the same man who decodes engine maps by simply listening to a car's noise?
Posted 27 September 2012 - 00:46
Agreed. He was only stripped of his WDC points, but allowed to keep his wins on record.
Edited by halifaxf1fan, 27 September 2012 - 00:47.
Posted 27 September 2012 - 01:22
Posted 27 September 2012 - 01:24
Great photographer & blessed with an amazing eye for capturing all that is great about F1 with neutrality and impartiality....
.....followed by the exact equal and polar opposite as a journalist........shame..
Posted 27 September 2012 - 02:28
Drivers weren't banned though...Considering that Flavio and Symonds each were banned three years for Singapore 08, Schumacher should have gotten a multiseason suspension (plus it was a repeat offense after Aus 94).
Posted 27 September 2012 - 02:55
Drivers weren't banned though...
Edited by halifaxf1fan, 27 September 2012 - 03:11.
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Edited by bourbon, 27 September 2012 - 03:33.
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Posted 27 September 2012 - 05:15
Agreed. He was only stripped of his WDC points, but allowed to keep his wins on record.
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Posted 27 September 2012 - 05:19
So Schumacher rarely won in a legal car?Good article. Nice to see than when somebody tells the truth.
Edited by D.M.N., 27 September 2012 - 08:35.
remove "Successful troll. :wave: :up:"
Posted 27 September 2012 - 07:17
It doesn't matter how epic Schumacher's achievements are. He will always be known as the dangerous, amoral, cheating **** who twice drove at opponents to win the world title and ushered in an abyssal low in driving standards.As I thought, bitter British trying to undermine Schumacher's epic achievements. Write little men, write! Maybe you can make everyone forget about 7 titles, keep trying!
Posted 27 September 2012 - 07:40
Nobody here seems to think 9/11 was an inside job... I share his opinion and unfortunately there will always be that doubt.haha that just seals the deal
Posted 27 September 2012 - 07:42
David Coulthard almost killed Alex Wurz at Melbourne and didn't even get so much as a grid penalty. He's now the man who likes to sit there and roar with disapproval every time Schumacher makes a mistake.
It's just sad that people still dribble on about Adelaide though. Never has the British bias of English-speaking F1 media been so obvious. Completely overlooks Hill's impatience, the fact he drove over the inside of the kerb on a line that would never make it through the corner even if Schumacher wasn't there, the fact he was behind, the fact he effectively took Schumacher out were it not for Schumacher's damage, etc.
Darren Heath is everything that's wrong with nationalism in sports journalism. Had it been two Italian teams fighting for the title with two foreign drivers, it would go down in history as a Senna vs Prost moment, instead of the one sided pantomime people make it out to be.
Posted 27 September 2012 - 07:48
Known to whom?It doesn't matter how epic Schumacher's achievements are. He will always be known as the dangerous, amoral, cheating **** who twice drove at opponents to win the world title and ushered in an abyssal low in driving standards.
And you don't have to be British to appreciate that. Just intelligent.
Posted 27 September 2012 - 07:53
Hatred is the wrong word. Detestation and deprecation are better.Known to whom?
I guess to those who want to have a reason to hate the man. And ... hatred is not an intelligent thing.
Posted 27 September 2012 - 07:56
So Schumacher rarely won in a legal car?
Posted 27 September 2012 - 07:57
I don't disagree with Darren's blog one bit. Schumacher is washed up in his second career.... Known for being a hack with the illegal benneton and also the fast and fancy red car whose team mate pulled over for him in the first career.... True again LOL.
F1 was a sham in the early 2000's, the turning point to something exciting I think was 2005 thanks to Alonso and Kimi. Since then the racing has been off the hook. Then 2007 happened and now f1 is
Posted 27 September 2012 - 08:12
Edited by FenderJaguar, 27 September 2012 - 08:13.
Posted 27 September 2012 - 08:13
Nailed it for me
Posted 27 September 2012 - 08:19
Have you guys seen this?
http://www.darrenhea...ow-when-fold-em
Edited by aditya-now, 27 September 2012 - 08:31.
Posted 27 September 2012 - 08:23
This whole "the best driver can manage whatever kind of random acting tyres he is given" mantra is bs.
Posted 27 September 2012 - 08:26
You must be an ideal person.Hatred is the wrong word. Detestation and deprecation are better.
And without having a reason such feelings of course betray a lack of intelligence. But when you DO have a VERY good reason...or, even better, number of reasons...
Posted 27 September 2012 - 08:50
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Posted 27 September 2012 - 09:46
It doesn't matter how epic Schumacher's achievements are. He will always be known as the dangerous, amoral, cheating **** who twice drove at opponents to win the world title and ushered in an abyssal low in driving standards.
And you don't have to be British to appreciate that. Just intelligent.
Posted 27 September 2012 - 09:53
What does a post like that says about you?It doesn't matter how epic Schumacher's achievements are. He will always be known as the dangerous, amoral, cheating **** who twice drove at opponents to win the world title and ushered in an abyssal low in driving standards.
And you don't have to be British to appreciate that. Just intelligent.
Posted 27 September 2012 - 10:07
It doesn't matter how epic Schumacher's achievements are. He will always be known as the dangerous, amoral, cheating **** who twice drove at opponents to win the world title and ushered in an abyssal low in driving standards.
And you don't have to be British to appreciate that. Just intelligent.
Posted 27 September 2012 - 10:11
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