Agreed on the first. That was an incredible sight, four lines of 8+ cars each, four abread streaming through the corners was cool.
And then. . .
Edited by Dilla, 08 October 2012 - 02:54.
Posted 08 October 2012 - 02:51
Agreed on the first. That was an incredible sight, four lines of 8+ cars each, four abread streaming through the corners was cool.
Edited by Dilla, 08 October 2012 - 02:54.
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 03:04
Germán motha****in Quiroga P8 baby!!!! Slim or some other Mexican millionaire get this guy a permanent seat!!!!!
Posted 08 October 2012 - 03:24
Posted 08 October 2012 - 04:37
Surprised JJ rode home on Jr., I thought you were required to take the ambulance to the medical center.
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 13:26
It shouldn't be that simple. You still have to maintain your pace when the yellow comes out. Therefore, those can't make it back to the finish line and those who straggle to it should be put behind.It's the order of the cars when the yellow comes out.
Posted 08 October 2012 - 13:34
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 14:46
I thought they did take that into account. Look at the picture above, I don't see any way that Biffle (#16) could have gotten up to 6th place by the time the yellow came out.It shouldn't be that simple. You still have to maintain your pace when the yellow comes out. Therefore, those can't make it back to the finish line and those who straggle to it should be put behind.
Edited by Watkins74, 08 October 2012 - 14:49.
Posted 08 October 2012 - 14:48
We missed your input! I confess to flipping back and forth from the races to the NFL at this time of year and I suspect I am not the only one.Sounds like I missed quite the weekend lads. Got back in at 1 this morning. I don't plan on getting out of bed today, so I'm going to try and catch some replays of the races if possible.
The truck race didnt seem to get much love on here, so ill say well done Kligerman on his first NCWTS win!
Posted 08 October 2012 - 14:57
That reminds me, football fans. Keep an eye out for a funny Van Heusen commercial during Superbowl, starring Jerry Rice, Steve Young and Matt Stafford.We missed your input! I confess to flipping back and forth from the races to the NFL at this time of year and I suspect I am not the only one.
The Truck race would have had my undivided attention if it where held on Friday night.
Posted 08 October 2012 - 15:43
I thought they did take that into account. Look at the picture above, I don't see any way that Biffle (#16) could have gotten up to 6th place by the time the yellow came out.
Posted 08 October 2012 - 17:20
Posted 08 October 2012 - 18:04
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 19:26
I think they are safe at these speeds. How many crashes are there per season? A hundred?
The last one that shocked me was Montoyas freak accident against the jet truck.
Posted 08 October 2012 - 19:31
Posted 08 October 2012 - 20:01
Jeff Gordon and Kyle Busch aren't even in the picture (they were behing Kahne in the 5) and they finished second and thirdI thought they did take that into account. Look at the picture above, I don't see any way that Biffle (#16) could have gotten up to 6th place by the time the yellow came out.
Posted 08 October 2012 - 20:26
Posted 08 October 2012 - 20:26
A few metres further along and he might not have been so luckyI know it's not sprint cup, but how the freaking **** Eric McClure only sat out 4 races after this. I will never understand!
This is the last one that really got me.
Posted 08 October 2012 - 21:04
Posted 08 October 2012 - 21:22
Same way it works everywhere, including NASCAR. Those cars who fail to finish the race are classified based on the relative order they were in during the last completed lap.But then we're back to racing to the line, but now with wrecked cars coming at different angles and speeds. And how do you decide amongst the immovable cars, who finished ahead?
Posted 08 October 2012 - 22:23
Do any of you guys seriously believe NASCAR is continuously lucking out on avoiding fatalities, or are the cars plain and simply incredibly safe and we're rarely close to serious injury or death anymore? I've been thinking about that on super speedway races the past year or two and I can't decide which of those two extremes is closer to the truth.
Posted 08 October 2012 - 22:49
Posted 08 October 2012 - 23:49
[ironic that this happened right in front of the "This is Talladega" sign ]
Posted 09 October 2012 - 00:15
If you are referring to my post Ross I was talking about the other photo, the one with the yellow was posted as I was typing it.That's Keselowski 4th and the 29 spinning up at the wall. I can't even see Ambrose and the 34.
Posted 09 October 2012 - 00:22
It's hard to hit anything in an F1 car.
Posted 09 October 2012 - 00:53
The 34 is the damaged car on the bottom lane in front of Truex.That's Keselowski 4th and the 29 spinning up at the wall. I can't even see Ambrose and the 34.
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Posted 09 October 2012 - 01:07
So in that sense as all-but-guaranteed as the incidents on plate tracks are, I don't see a risk to the drivers. Beyond the dice roll that eventually they will have a freak accident through sheer numbers.
Posted 09 October 2012 - 01:37
Posted 09 October 2012 - 02:30
As Talladega was on early Monday morning, I only saw the incident after reading comments, watching the replay on NASCAR.com. The initial parts of the replay showed the cars running around the track 4 wide. That was truly incredible, and no doubt very exciting live. But it wouldn't take a genius to see it was going to end in tears. All it would take is an engine to stutter, a tyre to let go, a driver to get ambitious, or one to try to block and it would all end in a wreck.
Posted 09 October 2012 - 02:36
You surf the waves, so to speak. Usually, the lines of cars like aren't running at the same speed, so there are opportunities to duck into a faster lane until you reach daylight. That's how Waltrip made it to the front in the end.While there is a lot of skill in running in a pack like that, where are the opportunities for drivers to try to improve their position?
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Posted 09 October 2012 - 03:39
You surf the waves, so to speak. Usually, the lines of cars like aren't running at the same speed, so there are opportunities to duck into a faster lane until you reach daylight. That's how Waltrip made it to the front in the end.
Posted 09 October 2012 - 06:42
Same way it works everywhere, including NASCAR. Those cars who fail to finish the race are classified based on the relative order they were in during the last completed lap.
Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:33
You don't see a risk to the drivers when one car gets sideways and upside down in a pack of 30 other cars all going 200 mph? Seriously?
When someone is hurt or killed in that scenario, you can't call it a freak accident. You can only call it a highly foreseeable event.
In the event of another fatality, NASCAR will look like idiots trying to say they thought it was safe. All the media has to do is play the tapes.
Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:49
Edited by goldenboy, 09 October 2012 - 11:49.
Posted 09 October 2012 - 12:32
Same way it works everywhere, including NASCAR. Those cars who fail to finish the race are classified based on the relative order they were in during the last completed lap.
Edited by JRodrigues, 09 October 2012 - 12:34.
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Posted 09 October 2012 - 12:35
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Posted 09 October 2012 - 17:50
Right, Trevor Bayne as 21st passed the line 44 minutes after Matt Kenseth
Posted 09 October 2012 - 18:01
It really is a joke. The drivers think its a joke, the fans who want to see legitimate racing think its a joke. Take the damn plates off and let them do 220mph laps around the track. The cars are safe enough for it these days.Earnhardt Jr. speaks about the restritor plate chaos:
"If this is what we did every week, I wouldn't be doing it, I will just put it to you like that," Earnhardt said after Sunday’s Good Sam 500 at Talladega Speedway. "If this is how we raced every week, I would find another job."
http://msn.foxsports...y-racing-100812
Posted 09 October 2012 - 18:42
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Posted 09 October 2012 - 22:37
I always assumed there was some kind of time limits for completing the last lap. After all, you wouldn't want to wait two weeks for a car to crawls to the finish line at 0.001 mph. Or it could be that the car crossed the s/f line on a wrecker, which I would've also assumed would not count.Right, Trevor Bayne as 21st passed the line 44 minutes after Matt Kenseth
Posted 09 October 2012 - 22:41
That's the real danger, IMO. I think a fan is going to get killed before a driver will in these wrecks, especially since the most dangerous part of the track is also the one most heavily populated by the spectators. We dodged the bullet with Edwards, but way too many things can go wrong in such accidents for us to ever be sure.The cars might bounce fine, but what if they flew into catchfences at those speeds?
Posted 09 October 2012 - 23:02
Edited by Watkins74, 10 October 2012 - 02:29.
Posted 10 October 2012 - 00:32
The cars are pretty safe but one problem is the thinner tubing that holds the rear panel together. I have seen that tubing come out of the cars multiple times. I would hate to see a section go through a drivers window or into the crowd.
Edited by whitewaterMkII, 10 October 2012 - 00:33.