Vettel reprimanded for Alonso incident [split]

Where the heck was Seb supposed to go? To the right and really destroy Freddie's lap - stop altogether that his Holiness had the entire lap to himself?

how about go faster?

Where the heck was Seb supposed to go?

Edited by Nonesuch, 06 October 2012 - 13:24.

Oh do shut up please. That's old, boring and not based in reality.

Edited by Burtros, 06 October 2012 - 13:32.

The yellow flag obviously clouds the picture, but Alonso was only a tenth away from Perez, so it arguably cost him a place. And again, ignorance of what is happening behind him is no excuse. You said it yourself, he blocked him.

Wasn't too bad tbh, didn't cost Alonso much if anything - reprimand probably a fair call. But it does show one thing however, that Alonso kept his cool and didn't start waving his hands about and acting like a **** like Senna did, which probably cost Bruno getting through to Q2 more than Vergne did...

Denials of it are not based in reality I am afraid.

Im not one for conspiracy theories but time and time and time again, Ferrari get decisions for them that others simply wouldnt. Call it what you will, but for me Ferrari International Assistance is a term I have been using for something like 7 years now. I saw someone mention Alonso causes the penalties - thats wrong. Alonso got some stinging penalties when he was racing for Renault against Ferrari. Italy 2006 being the most ridicuous among them. Theres only one common beneficary - Ferrari.

I havent seen what happened here, but it seems clear there was some risk of the ugly bias again. Its a legitimate fear, although in this case it does look like its been dealt with in the appropriate way.

I missed the forum debate as I was abroad on holiday for Monza this year, watched in a bar without commentary. But I can tell you, on the face of it the Vettel penalty there sums up perfectly for me what other teams face when dealing with a Ferrari on track.

Indeed, a reprimand at most. This kind of thread reminds me why I do not visit this forum more often. So many whiners and so many calls for penalties that one does wonder what this sport has become.

HPT is right. After watching the video it's clear to me that what happened is Vettel was caught out on Alonso coming up to him, he probably thought he was far enough ahead or didn't know he was there. By the time he realised it was too late to pull to the left or suddenly slow down. What he ended up doing was in the end the correct decision and it wasn't really much of a block like some other ones we saw.

There is however no excuse to not be aware of other cars and your team should let you know as well, which is why they were reprimanded.

They don't save fuel now but rather save tyres. There was a rule introduced several years back about a minimum delta time to keep when on a return lap. When they qualified with full tanks and IIRC it was Malaysia GP which prompted the change. Don't know whether it's still active.

how about go faster?

Edited by bourbon, 06 October 2012 - 16:19.

You have to take the yellow flag conditions into consideration - especially in light of the tyre situation and what both have traditionally meant in terms of qualifying this season. We can ignore that, but apparently the stewards took note of it.

Taking a tighter line and braking earlier than he wanted to... I'd say it cost him half a second.

Unlikely. The best S3 time of Alonso was 17.767 (which was right in that lap despite Vettel impeding him according to other posters). The best S3 time of all drivers was 17.602 (Vettel). I do not think he could have done this sector that much faster than all others (especially if you look how close all cars are in that sector).

http://en.mclarenf-1...e...;s=7100&p=3

Yes, he did. And he got a reprimand for it. I don't think he could've complained about a 3-place grid drop like Vergne got, but a reprimand seems appropriate as well.

Logically, if the yellows ruined his lap times more, shouldn't Kimi be penalized?

Come on, try to be at least funny

Are you sure his best sector time was set on that lap? (It could be from Q1 or Q2.) If he really did a 17.7 on that lap, then you're absolutely right.

As someone has said, had that been Leeis, he would have copped a penalty. It was blatant, results fixing at its finest. They should just let Vettel change his gearbox without penalty too cos he'd somehow gain no advantage.

Logic isn't always funny.

Oh please. What's the last time Hamilton even got a penalty?

Alonso had a green 17.7 on his Q3 lap, so yes, that would be the 17.767.

Considering he was always going to lose some time in that sector because of his lower speed on the straight leading to 130R (yellow flags in the corner before -> lower corner exit speed), he never lost more than a few hundreds of a seconds because of Vettel. Far from enough to gain a place on the grid

Thanks for confirming that. I stand corrected.

I thought Alonso looked very slow from the onboard. After all, he has carried a lot of speed into the chicane this weekend and really attacked the kerb. It suprises me that he still managed a 17.7.

lets be honest.

if it were michael all hell to pay - nice boy seb and whilst technically he did get in the way as harsh as it may have been lets let him go. lets ignore that a 10 grid slot kills your next race or that a 5 grid penalty took away a monaco pole - because seb was the fastest and hes the one we have to let him off.

fia wants a new hero and seb has been appointed.

Seb got those 34 Poles of his own merit - if he is considered a hero for that, so be it. But FIA didn't give him even one of those - they were all hard earned in an truly amazing effort by a 25 year old with just on 5 years under his belt in the sport.

In fact, he has broken nearly every important record in the sport, so I find it a bit disingenuous to call him "appointed" - as if those records and accolades were sent to him via DHL by the FIA. Those records are his due to his tremendous talent, determination and effort on his part. It is always car + driver in equal parts, imo, but the team and crew does not create the driver...

Perhaps you'd better think about that a little harder and consider a revision to your theory - there's been a lot of test-passing-flexi-areo-devices built into the RB and they might have also made a contribution.

Edited by Nitropower, 07 October 2012 - 02:25.

lets be honest.

if it were michael all hell to pay - nice boy seb and whilst technically he did get in the way as harsh as it may have been lets let him go. lets ignore that a 10 grid slot kills your next race or that a 5 grid penalty took away a monaco pole - because seb was the fastest and hes the one we have to let him off.

fia wants a new hero and seb has been appointed.

The only thing I know is Vettel already had pole position and he and Red Bull knew it. He went out, what for? Only one slow lap, no time set, what for? Be a moving chicane. Nothing else. Impede a direct rival in the championship. It reminds me of a certaing parking lot at La Rascasse, only more cleverly disguised this time. No matter how you look at it he impeded another driver, slowed him down, made him lose around 0,3-0,4 seconds and 2-3 places in the grid, yet he got away with it with "a reprimand" while Vergne got a 3-place grid penalty and Hamilton has been getting tones of penalties for all kind of things. If it was Maldonado or Grosjean I can imagine what would've happened.

The only thing I know is Vettel already had pole position and he and Red Bull knew it. He went out, what for? Only one slow lap, no time set, what for? Be a moving chicane. Nothing else. Impede a direct rival in the championship. It reminds me of a certaing parking lot at La Rascasse, only more cleverly disguised this time. No matter how you look at it he impeded another driver, slowed him down, made him lose around 0,3-0,4 seconds and 2-3 places in the grid, yet he got away with it with "a reprimand" while Vergne got a 3-place grid penalty and Hamilton has been getting tones of penalties for all kind of things. If it was Maldonado or Grosjean I can imagine what would've happened.

The only thing I know is Vettel already had pole position and he and Red Bull knew it. He went out, what for? Only one slow lap, no time set, what for? Be a moving chicane. Nothing else. Impede a direct rival in the championship. It reminds me of a certaing parking lot at La Rascasse, only more cleverly disguised this time. No matter how you look at it he impeded another driver, slowed him down, made him lose around 0,3-0,4 seconds and 2-3 places in the grid, yet he got away with it with "a reprimand" while Vergne got a 3-place grid penalty and Hamilton has been getting tones of penalties for all kind of things. If it was Maldonado or Grosjean I can imagine what would've happened.

Perhaps you'd better think about that a little harder and consider a revision to your theory - there's been a lot of test-passing-flexi-areo-devices built into the RB and they might have also made a contribution.