That is what I am doing this season. This time it might even be forever.
Is a come back in 2016 on the cards
Michael Schumacher Retires From F1 Confirmed
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:11
Is a come back in 2016 on the cards
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:11
Not truly unexpected but nevertheless a saddening news for us, his fans. Personally I imagined his retirement a bit different.
Hope he will not stay at Mercedes and further share their failure.
Thank you, Michael.
Hope he will not stay at Mercedes and further share their failure.
Thank you, Michael.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:15
Or 2019, as a 50 year old with his son or nephew (I hear Ralf's son is quite a talent in the lower formulae) in the same teamIs a come back in 2016 on the cards
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:15
Does Michael now hold the record of retiring the most times from F1 ?
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:16
No, no, no. Can't believe it.
Goodbye
He had a serious offer from Sauber according to motorsport-total.com
Goodbye
He had a serious offer from Sauber according to motorsport-total.com
Edited by Urawa, 04 October 2012 - 09:21.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:20
He couldn't win after his return but managed to take pole position in Monaco at his age was still quite an achivement to me. Weldone Michael and enjoy your life you're still very young 
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:24
Lots of respect to the man.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:25
Anyone think we might see him in a racing car again? I mean, a WEC schedule isn't quite as demanding as an F1 season, so might we be get Schumi at Le Mans sometime in the next few years?
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:26
No special Bridgestone tyres or special Shell fuel. Michael was always used to preferential treatment, so when he came back a lot had changed. It was no surprise that Rosco beat him fairly. Still, there were glimpses of the old Michael, but they were only glimpses. He had past his prime.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:29
Sad to se him go. The races were better with him in the field - not so much for his driving, but his presence alone.
I feel honored that I could follow the legend for so many years. The moment I'll remember after his comeback was when he tried to push Reubens into the wall in Hungary 2010. Video: http://www.viddler.com/v/975754ac
I'm glad he was not dominating this last period because then I would just do what I did last time it happened: I quit watching F1.
I feel honored that I could follow the legend for so many years. The moment I'll remember after his comeback was when he tried to push Reubens into the wall in Hungary 2010. Video: http://www.viddler.com/v/975754ac
I'm glad he was not dominating this last period because then I would just do what I did last time it happened: I quit watching F1.
Edited by ForeverF1, 04 October 2012 - 10:31.
Edited out the accusation the he tried to"kill Reubens".
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:31
Personally I think his comeback damaged his reputation. If he wanted to continue more time driving in F1 he should have signed with Merc in the summer, he delayed the descission too much.
I don't think so.
There was a period of over a decade in which no matter who had what car and what the feck Schumacher was doing, driving and starting from, you would NEVER count him out of anything. It was overwhelming and, once Ferrari got it right while the others dropped the ball, it became the most crushing domination F1 has ever seen and one of the greatest dominations motorsport has ever seen. It was not all Schumacher, he had a fantastic team and near perfect cars behind to race, but it would not have happened without him as well.
This Mercedes stint confirmed, to me, that Schumacher was also lucky to have arrived right with refueling and sprint format and suited him perfectly.
I think his reputation has only been trully damaged for those who thought he could walk on water and make a winner from a turd.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:33
He can't go on forever and his second career was rather a disappointment IMO. This was the right decision and I wish him all the best. 
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:33
I'm sad to hear this.
I really disliked him during the Ferrari years, but since his comeback with Mercedes, I wanted him to do well.
I think he is still competitive. Not as strong as in his first career, but I think he still had the potential to win races.
Hopefully he'll take a final victory, but with the car he has now, it seems unlikely.
Here's hoping for a wet weather demonstration, finishing a minute ahead of everyone else and taking a 92nd victory, which would be the same amount as Prost's and Senna's victories combined. That would be a fitting end to his career I think.
Also, I think the most impressive statistic is not his 91 wins or 7 titles, but the fact that he's been in F1 for around a third of the sport's history...
I really disliked him during the Ferrari years, but since his comeback with Mercedes, I wanted him to do well.
I think he is still competitive. Not as strong as in his first career, but I think he still had the potential to win races.
Hopefully he'll take a final victory, but with the car he has now, it seems unlikely.
Here's hoping for a wet weather demonstration, finishing a minute ahead of everyone else and taking a 92nd victory, which would be the same amount as Prost's and Senna's victories combined. That would be a fitting end to his career I think.
Also, I think the most impressive statistic is not his 91 wins or 7 titles, but the fact that he's been in F1 for around a third of the sport's history...
Edited by Orecaracing, 04 October 2012 - 09:35.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:33
A shame really... his comeback form was really alot better than what this dreary era was able to showcase...
Edited by fer312t, 04 October 2012 - 09:34.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:34
Totally gutted, I was so hoping for a Sauber drive next year.
F1 suddenly got even more boring
The only reason I will be watching in 2013 is to cheer for the DNF of the Mercs at every race. They way they have treated him, Ross Brawn in particular is disgusting and I hope the team go to hell.
F1 suddenly got even more boring
The only reason I will be watching in 2013 is to cheer for the DNF of the Mercs at every race. They way they have treated him, Ross Brawn in particular is disgusting and I hope the team go to hell.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:35
NoDoes Michael now hold the record of retiring the most times from F1 ?
Mansell retired more often than he raced...
Lauda, and Prost both genuinely retired twice
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:37
Anyone think we might see him in a racing car again? I mean, a WEC schedule isn't quite as demanding as an F1 season, so might we be get Schumi at Le Mans sometime in the next few years?
I doubt it , he wasn't a fan of Le mans iirc
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:39
I usually like to see sportsmen try to compete for as long as they can, as the sport is better off being disputed by the best available performers. Schumacher could have continued in the midfield or below. However with the large queue of youngsters that deserve a seat, I think it's a good thing he's going.
I was never a fan of him - the opposite in fact - but saying he damaged his reputation is nonsense. He was obviously past his peak which is what you'd expect from a driver in his 40s, yet was still strong, capable of matching his young near-top-driverish team-mate, during periods. That is remarkable for this stage of his career. Not his fault neither that the car wasn't great for these 3 years. And people won't forget the period of over a decade in which he was an absolutely dominant star.
A return to sportscars after over 20 years would be nice, although I remember quotes from him saying he never felt very well driving anything other than open-wheelers because he couldn't see the wheels and that upset his rhythm! That was a reason why DTM didn't work out for him in the early 90s. I don't think he'll want to commit to a full season of anything though, at least not for a while, I reckon the odd appearance here and there would satisfy his competitive streak however. Don't rule out for example him doing Le Mans once a year.
I was never a fan of him - the opposite in fact - but saying he damaged his reputation is nonsense. He was obviously past his peak which is what you'd expect from a driver in his 40s, yet was still strong, capable of matching his young near-top-driverish team-mate, during periods. That is remarkable for this stage of his career. Not his fault neither that the car wasn't great for these 3 years. And people won't forget the period of over a decade in which he was an absolutely dominant star.
A return to sportscars after over 20 years would be nice, although I remember quotes from him saying he never felt very well driving anything other than open-wheelers because he couldn't see the wheels and that upset his rhythm! That was a reason why DTM didn't work out for him in the early 90s. I don't think he'll want to commit to a full season of anything though, at least not for a while, I reckon the odd appearance here and there would satisfy his competitive streak however. Don't rule out for example him doing Le Mans once a year.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:40
Well, the day had to come and it was never going to be a fairytale ending but I am sad to see Michael go; the level of professionalism amongst the current crop of drivers is, in no small way, a result of the focussed physical and mental discipline he brought to the sport. I genuinely wish him all the best for his future endeavours. 
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:40
Thank you, Michael Schumacher, for all the exciting moments you have brought to racing and Formula One 
Godspeed and wishing you well in whatever new endeavor you may choose to undertake!
We will miss you
Godspeed and wishing you well in whatever new endeavor you may choose to undertake!
We will miss you
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I don't think so.
There was a period of over a decade in which no matter who had what car and what the feck Schumacher was doing, driving and starting from, you would NEVER count him out of anything. It was overwhelming and, once Ferrari got it right while the others dropped the ball, it became the most crushing domination F1 has ever seen and one of the greatest dominations motorsport has ever seen. It was not all Schumacher, he had a fantastic team and near perfect cars behind to race, but it would not have happened without him as well.
This Mercedes stint confirmed, to me, that Schumacher was also lucky to have arrived right with refueling and sprint format and suited him perfectly.
I think his reputation has only been trully damaged for those who thought he could walk on water and make a winner from a turd.
In 91, 92, 93 the refuelling wasn't there, and Schumacher was already great.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:46
Who is that Osama on the Jordan?
Yes, great. Clearly above the rest and able to mix it with Senna, Mansell, etc. But refueling and tyre changes suited him even better than anything else.
In 91, 92, 93 the refuelling wasn't there, and Schumacher was already great.
Yes, great. Clearly above the rest and able to mix it with Senna, Mansell, etc. But refueling and tyre changes suited him even better than anything else.
Edited by Atreiu, 04 October 2012 - 09:48.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:49
Why has he done this? Why has he left such a gap open? Red Bull comeback in 2014? A Renault/Sauber comeback in 2014?Is a come back in 2016 on the cards
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:50
No
Mansell retired more often than he raced...
Lauda, and Prost both genuinely retired twice
Only joint second! He needs to comeback and retire again.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:55
I dreaded this day when it comes, yet I have been privileged to see him through whole his long career, from storming entry, a few defeats, through pain and victories. He stands forever tall.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:57
A shame Mercedes were unable to build a quick and reliable enough car to match Schumi's talent.
Still, it was nice to have another 3 years of the 7 x World Driver Champion.
Well done Michael - you are still the M-F'ing man!
Still, it was nice to have another 3 years of the 7 x World Driver Champion.
Well done Michael - you are still the M-F'ing man!
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:59
I think you're over-analyzing and trying to find veiled attacks towards Mercedes that simply aren't there. He's offering an honest assessment of his time with Mercedes and is quite humble about it.BTW, does anyone else notice, in Schumacher's press statement, a lack of faith in Mercedes Benz ? I may just be a skeptic here but these comment to me looks like Schumacher was a bit disgruntled towards the end of it all :
To me it seems like this comeback is not all that memorable for him at all, since he is refering to the satisfaction with "the overall achievements" he has in F1.In the end, it is not my ambition to just drive around but to fight for victories; and the pleasure of driving is nourished by competitiveness.
I'm sad to hear this.
I really disliked him during the Ferrari years, but since his comeback with Mercedes, I wanted him to do well.
I think he is still competitive. Not as strong as in his first career, but I think he still had the potential to win races.
Also, I think the most impressive statistic is not his 91 wins or 7 titles, but the fact that he's been in F1 for around a third of the sport's history...
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 10:00
Osama Writing Instruments makes, as the name suggests, pencils and the like.Who is that Osama on the Jordan?
Edited by Nonesuch, 04 October 2012 - 10:02.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 10:00
Oh well its the right decision.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 10:02
1 year at Ferrari could have been great.... but oh well;
a few races left to go, lets hope every single one has rain because in the dry, the Merc uses its tires up faster than the HRT..........
RAIN RAIN RAIN!
a few races left to go, lets hope every single one has rain because in the dry, the Merc uses its tires up faster than the HRT..........
RAIN RAIN RAIN!
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 10:09
6 races left oh well, a new seat of high quality was never honestly open. Would have loved to see him sit in Massa's car for 2013 though.
If Rosberg matches Hamilton, at least his last 3 years won't look so bad.
oh well, a new seat of high quality was never honestly open. Would have loved to see him sit in Massa's car for 2013 though.If Rosberg matches Hamilton, at least his last 3 years won't look so bad.
Edited by Jimisgod, 04 October 2012 - 10:11.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 10:10
This is like 2006 all over again, as I'm feeling the same sadness all over again.
Though it will be sad to see Michael leave once more, I feel relieved that it's on better termst his time.
It's funny, he was my initial favourite driver when I started following F1, but then he non-stop winning with Ferrari turned me off a little bit and I started to want everyone to beat him as I grew tired of his success. In his last year I warmed up to him again and, over the past three years, I've been a bigger supporter of him than I ever was before. All we wanted was to see Michael stand on the top of the podium again. He didn't do this but, considering the car he had, he did a damn good job at times. Thanks for all the memories Michael.
Though it will be sad to see Michael leave once more, I feel relieved that it's on better termst his time.
It's funny, he was my initial favourite driver when I started following F1, but then he non-stop winning with Ferrari turned me off a little bit and I started to want everyone to beat him as I grew tired of his success. In his last year I warmed up to him again and, over the past three years, I've been a bigger supporter of him than I ever was before. All we wanted was to see Michael stand on the top of the podium again. He didn't do this but, considering the car he had, he did a damn good job at times. Thanks for all the memories Michael.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 10:11
In 91, 92, 93 the refuelling wasn't there, and Schumacher was already great.
More like very promising, definitely not great, yet.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 10:40
Greatest driver ever for me. I didn't think that before his comeback. He had a lot of courage to come back and risk tainting his legacy but despite not winning, or even getting regular podiums, I don't think he has tarnished his image at all. All I saw was a slightly old man wanting to continue the thing that he truly loved. I'd never seen him at a Grand Prix before so I'm glad I was able to watch him drive at the 2010 Belgian GP and 2011 British GP.
Thanks Michael, it's been a pleasure to watch you drive!
Thanks Michael, it's been a pleasure to watch you drive!
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 10:43
1994, 1995, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004
Der Meister!
Viel danke Michael!
(sorry for bad German if anyone got offended ;) )
Der Meister!
Viel danke Michael!
(sorry for bad German if anyone got offended ;) )
Edited by jeze, 04 October 2012 - 10:44.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 10:47
Its a good thing i saw michael at last race in singapore although it did not end well, it was a great and memorable experience for me considering that was my first gp im still lucky to have witnessed his presence on the track. I became an f1 fan becuase of michael since 95, i will leave a big hole in my heart. F1 will never be the same for me without michael. Thank you for having the courage to come back and giving it all every race. Good luck schumi!
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1994, 1995, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004
Der Meister!
Vielen DankeMichael!
(sorry for bad German if anyone got offended ;) )
Just helping out, not mocking you!
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 10:53
As others have said, I think retirement was Michael's best option.
In the eyes of many less knowledgeable fans, Michael Schumacher was the undisputed best ever driver in F1. In this respect, his time at Mercedes must have done some damage to the Schumacher legend.
There is no doubt that Michael was always very fast in a car but his time up against Niko ( who I don't think is an absolutely top class driver ), has confirmed what a lot of us always thought.
Many, including myself, regard Michael as one of maybe ten to fifteen great drivers including Vettel, Alonso and Hamilton from the modern era. I think it's impossible to definitively say more than that about him.
Michael became the most successful F1 driver in the history of the sport because he benefited from a unique situation which he helped to nurture and that can never be repeated :
After years in the doldrums, Ferrari assembled one of the best-ever design teams and a management structure that put winning above any consideration of good sportsmanship.
The team was further backed by a huge budget and fantastic facilities including their own test track which the rules permitted them to use to the full.
Fiorano alone gave them a substantial advantage over every other team, as did their privileged relationships with the FIA and Bridgestone whose tyres were designed very much with Ferrari in mind.
Michael was further helped by having clear No 1 status compared with the equal No 1 status given to drivers from the British teams like Williams and McLaren.
Comparisons of race wins with drivers from previous eras like Fangio, Jim Clark and Stirling Moss are not valid because Michael competed in far more F1 races in each season so that increased his opportunities to score wins and accrue an enormous tally of points over his long career.
Great improvements in safety. led by Sid Watkins, also paid their part here because many potentially great careers tragically ended early. ( Ronnie Petersen for one )
None of this is designed to detract from Michael's achievements, which were many, but they need to be appreciated and put into perspective against this background.
Michael continues to be lucky, he has a strong family, the money and status to have a wonderful life and nothing more to prove.
I hope he comes to appreciate this, puts racing behind him and has a well deserved, long and happy retirement.
In the eyes of many less knowledgeable fans, Michael Schumacher was the undisputed best ever driver in F1. In this respect, his time at Mercedes must have done some damage to the Schumacher legend.
There is no doubt that Michael was always very fast in a car but his time up against Niko ( who I don't think is an absolutely top class driver ), has confirmed what a lot of us always thought.
Many, including myself, regard Michael as one of maybe ten to fifteen great drivers including Vettel, Alonso and Hamilton from the modern era. I think it's impossible to definitively say more than that about him.
Michael became the most successful F1 driver in the history of the sport because he benefited from a unique situation which he helped to nurture and that can never be repeated :
After years in the doldrums, Ferrari assembled one of the best-ever design teams and a management structure that put winning above any consideration of good sportsmanship.
The team was further backed by a huge budget and fantastic facilities including their own test track which the rules permitted them to use to the full.
Fiorano alone gave them a substantial advantage over every other team, as did their privileged relationships with the FIA and Bridgestone whose tyres were designed very much with Ferrari in mind.
Michael was further helped by having clear No 1 status compared with the equal No 1 status given to drivers from the British teams like Williams and McLaren.
Comparisons of race wins with drivers from previous eras like Fangio, Jim Clark and Stirling Moss are not valid because Michael competed in far more F1 races in each season so that increased his opportunities to score wins and accrue an enormous tally of points over his long career.
Great improvements in safety. led by Sid Watkins, also paid their part here because many potentially great careers tragically ended early. ( Ronnie Petersen for one )
None of this is designed to detract from Michael's achievements, which were many, but they need to be appreciated and put into perspective against this background.
Michael continues to be lucky, he has a strong family, the money and status to have a wonderful life and nothing more to prove.
I hope he comes to appreciate this, puts racing behind him and has a well deserved, long and happy retirement.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 10:58
Here's a clip of michael's speech. You can see michael grinning with a smile while saying that his retirement "might be forever"
http://www.f1talks.p...la-schumachera/
I dont want to read in any of those gestures, but i would Love to see him race again in other motorsports.
http://www.f1talks.p...la-schumachera/
I dont want to read in any of those gestures, but i would Love to see him race again in other motorsports.
Edited by Fildischum, 04 October 2012 - 10:59.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 10:59
Bye bye Schumi, still number 1 4ever!
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:00
The writing was on the wall since 2010. He seems to be a more balanced individual than first time around although he still has had his arsehole moments like at the Hungaroring a couple of years back. Unspectacular on his return and looked like he was out of his depth when dealing with the new generation (much more competitive than the mid-1990's) but hopefully he can utilise his experience for the good of motorsport in the future.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:02
Ouch.. I kind of wanted this, but now it's here, it still feels bad 
I can't be bothered to reply to any of the ignorant haters on such a day.
I can't be bothered to reply to any of the ignorant haters on such a day.
Edited by DS27, 04 October 2012 - 11:03.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:13
He was like Dick Dastardly in my book in his first career, but came across as a different man altogether when he returned.
I found myself liking him much more than I thought possible, and I will miss him now he's going off for good.
You liked him more because he wasn't winning anymore.
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The writing was on the wall since 2010. He seems to be a more balanced individual than first time around although he still has had his arsehole moments like at the Hungaroring a couple of years back. Unspectacular on his return and looked like he was out of his depth when dealing with the new generation (much more competitive than the mid-1990's) but hopefully he can utilise his experience for the good of motorsport in the future.
Like defending successfully lap after lap at Monza last year? Putting the Merc on pole at Monaco this year? Outqualifying his much younger team mate this year? Out racing him much of last year, as the majority of this?
He's out of his depth dealing with GP2 crashkids, but then so are many other front running drivers when lumbered with a shitbox donkeymobile and thus shoved back into the chaos of the pack.
I'm sad to see him retire, but reading some of his speech I can't help feeling Merc somewhat demotivated him (through failing year after year to deliver on their DC like "this year is.. no, wait, next year will be" promise), and though he's most likely got at least one, probably two decent years left in him, he would probably rather not spend them continually getting caught in the midfield carnage when he's a proven race and title winner.
I'm going to guess that a) the rumours of him saying "I'll take any seat, I need F1, I must drive" were media bullshit to try and demean his reputation (ie champion turned desperate), and either Sauber couldn't come through with ebnough promise, and/ or Ferrari don't have the second seat spare after all. A shame his career has ended this way, but I can't help pinning more of the blame on Mercedes than Schumacher being past it after seeing how he's been treated of late, not to mention how they repeatedly failed him (and themselves) time after time.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:23
Very sad, but I could see it coming. The comeback has not been as successful as I thought...
Bye Michael, best of luck...we'll miss you!
Bye Michael, best of luck...we'll miss you!
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:33
Driver of the century ... and technically last century too!
Indisputable!
Indisputable!
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:43
Mercedes gave him 3 years where his disappointing results would have got him nowhere anywhere else. Ross Brawn made it clear Schumacher had not committed to next year and the team needed a solution. Hamilton approached Merc and they snapped him up like any team would in that position. If you are only going to watch the sport to encourage your inner bitterness then maybe its time you gave it up for your own sake. Lifes too short to follow something you don't enjoy.Totally gutted, I was so hoping for a Sauber drive next year.
F1 suddenly got even more boring
The only reason I will be watching in 2013 is to cheer for the DNF of the Mercs at every race. They way they have treated him, Ross Brawn in particular is disgusting and I hope the team go to hell.
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:45
I will miss you Michael, but I thank you very much these fantastic seasons. I can watch your F1 carrier since the beginning, it was a great honor...
You was the best, you are the best and you will be the beat alwasy and forever...
Edited by Tarzaan, 04 October 2012 - 11:48.
