Raikkonen's post Japanese GP Qualifying comments [split]
#151
Posted 06 October 2012 - 14:23
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#152
Posted 06 October 2012 - 14:25
Calm down guys?
#153
Posted 06 October 2012 - 14:27
The justification that a certain drive's personality is x,y and z. and therefore this should be expected from him but not others is boloney..
Double standards is what irks most people and why sensible discussions are difficult to have with people who constantly apply these double stadards when talking about racing matters about other drivers.
We have this going on throughout the season, alonso was bashed endlessly for complaining about Vettel in Monza but when Kimi did the exact same thing early on in the season the topic was never discussed or critiziced.
#154
Posted 06 October 2012 - 14:35
This thread is not really about the action itself but the expression of those who are not impressed with the double standards, specifically applied to Kimi, myself included.
I still don't see the need for people to be name calling a driver over a comment he made while he as obviously still very annoyed with himself for making the mistake.
I'm sorry that F1 drivers aren't always bothered with corporate talk 24/7...but meh who cares really, he didn't say it in an official press release it was just an off hand comment.
It is just coming across like some of you are looking for any tiny reason to call the guy childish names.
#155
Posted 06 October 2012 - 14:36
We have this going on throughout the season, alonso was bashed endlessly for complaining about Vettel in Monza but when Kimi did the exact same thing early on in the season the topic was never discussed or critiziced.
Yeah, this topic shows without any doubt how Räikkönen's actions/words are never criticized.
Seriously, you should go bed.
#156
Posted 06 October 2012 - 14:37
This thread is not really about the action itself but the expression of those who are not impressed with the double standards, specifically applied to Kimi, myself included.
The justification that a certain drive's personality is x,y and z. and therefore this should be expected from him but not others is boloney..
Double standards is what irks most people and why sensible discussions are difficult to have with people who constantly apply these double stadards when talking about racing matters about other drivers.
We have this going on throughout the season, alonso was bashed endlessly for complaining about Vettel in Monza but when Kimi did the exact same thing early on in the season the topic was never discussed or critiziced.
Well imo people should stop moaning and making such a big deal out of everything. For instance instead of bashing both Kimi and Alonso people should bash neither. I don't buy into the argument that so and so would get vilified so let's vilify everyone, imo that's the wrong attitude.
#157
Posted 06 October 2012 - 14:38
Well, why should he care?
I can only look at myself, but if I spin during a qual-run in any type of motorsport I'm doing. I don't care if others are having problems because of it.
Sorry, but that's the attitude of a complete tool. Remind me never to run in the same event as you.
On the rare occasion ive been the cause of a yellow flag due to a spin or a red flag due to dropped oil (once), ive been completely mortified that i'd resulted in others losing track time due to an action of mine.
It's a shame kimi's so jaded that he thinks ****ing up (almost) everyone else's final run wasn't worth a more conciliative acknowledgement.
#158
Posted 06 October 2012 - 14:43
Hes racing in F1. Not in junior football team where the other kids feel sad when the best player is dominating and doesnt pass the ball.Sorry, but that's the attitude of a complete tool. Remind me never to run in the same event as you.
On the rare occasion ive been the cause of a yellow flag due to a spin or a red flag due to dropped oil (once), ive been completely mortified that i'd resulted in others losing track time due to an action of mine.
It's a shame kimi's so jaded that he thinks ****ing up (almost) everyone else's final run wasn't worth a more conciliative acknowledgement.
#159
Posted 06 October 2012 - 14:45
I still don't see the need for people to be name calling a driver over a comment he made while he as obviously still very annoyed with himself for making the mistake.
I'm sorry that F1 drivers aren't always bothered with corporate talk 24/7...but meh who cares really, he didn't say it in an official press release it was just an off hand comment.
It is just coming across like some of you are looking for any tiny reason to call the guy childish names.
I'd like to add that those people also use these opportunities to call his fans childish and ugly names too
#161
Posted 06 October 2012 - 14:49
If you reread what I wrote carefully you would realize that it is not Kimi who I am criticizing . My other post on this thread where I expressed my oponion about this incident was that Kimi was simply pissed off.. The point is other drivers get pissed off all the time too but when they do you have a full mob of people labeling and critizicing to no end.I still don't see the need for people to be name calling a driver over a comment he made while he as obviously still very annoyed with himself for making the mistake.
I'm sorry that F1 drivers aren't always bothered with corporate talk 24/7...but meh who cares really, he didn't say it in an official press release it was just an off hand comment.
It is just coming across like some of you are looking for any tiny reason to call the guy childish names.
#162
Posted 06 October 2012 - 14:52
I should have made that clearer maybe.
#163
Posted 06 October 2012 - 14:58
Likely to be down to Alonso v Vettel with Fernando in a crippled shitbox.
#164
Posted 06 October 2012 - 15:05
I bet Natalie felt like what did I do to deserve this haha
#165
Posted 06 October 2012 - 15:14
#166
Posted 06 October 2012 - 15:14
Hehe. Kimi looked angry
http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be
This is what all the hand wringing is about??
#167
Posted 06 October 2012 - 15:16
I'm amazed people are finding a way to defend him here. I dont think its as big a deal as some are making it out to be, but its hard to deny that its not what you want to hear from a sportsman.
I completely agree. It's not the end of the world, but it is common courtesy.
#168
Posted 06 October 2012 - 15:26
#169
Posted 06 October 2012 - 15:28
I'm amazed people are finding a way to defend him here. I dont think its as big a deal as some are making it out to be, but its hard to deny that its not what you want to hear from a sportsman.
It's exactly what many people want to hear, hence the defending.
As people have pointed out he didn't do it on purpose so he had no reason to apologize. Plus he wouldn't expect an apology if he was on the receiving end.
If he said he did care he would be lying which is worse.
#170
Posted 06 October 2012 - 15:40
but its hard to deny that its not what you want to hear from a sportsman.
Would you really rather hear a filtered comment made hours later that is only made to keep the sponsors and other drivers happy?
Or a genuine comment said during a real moment of frustration for a driver who is fighting for the championship?
I'm sure people like Hamilton, Alonso and Vettel will be able to get over the horror of hearing another passionate driver venting his frustration.
Aren't moments like this what we remember from other drivers years later, not the teams making stilted press releases thanking the sponsors for paying their wages.
#171
Posted 06 October 2012 - 15:51
1) To you, but I am convinced that you do not set the standards for all F1 supporters. So yes, you can bet that some people think he is "cool".
2) Alonso has often been sincere and brutally honest, and has been dissed by some people who have no problems when it is somebody else who does so.
3) I am not a Raikkonen hater, and I think he is rude. Which is not surprising, given his personal background, and hence nothing to dismiss him for - but again, there is a big difference between not using it against him, and thinking that replying "I was having a s**t" is the epithomy of coolness.
4) Gross generalisation, totally biased and hence totally inappropriate. Have you asked every single person here who thought Raikkonen was rude which driver they support, or are you passing a personal opinion as a fact? And by the way, I am not saying he should apologise: I am saying that he was neither awesome nor cool in his comment.
#172
Posted 06 October 2012 - 15:53
#173
Posted 06 October 2012 - 15:55
I can imagine what F1 weekends could be if, for each yellow flag, the causing driver had to go and excuse himself with everybody else
Unsportmanship? For a yellow flag? If he had crashed into somebody and didn't want to say sorry... okay. But for a yellow flag? He went off, spun and waited patiently out the track, till the cars behind him on a hot lap went by, before re-entering and driving the rest of the lap. Period. Once he made the mistake that cost him the lap, he chose the option that would have a smaller effect on the others.
Let's be realistic, the guy is not the most friendly out there and when he's in a bad mood, he IS in a bad mood. Some people like it and some people hate it, that's right with me, each one of us like different kind of people, and that's why we all have different friends.
But asking for excuses for a yellow flag is making a drama out of sand corn.
#174
Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:03
#175
Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:15
I think we have no stats to prove that those people who consider Kimi's comments cool or fine are the exact people who criticize x,y,z for whatever accidents or gestures they made to other drivers. So ur statement is unjustified.People, who consider Kimi's comments cool and/or fine, should never-ever criticize people like Hamilton, Vettel, Alonso giving comments/gestures in the heat of the moment either. Like Alonso waving to Petrov after Abu Dhabi 2010, Vettel being mad at Karthikeyan after Malaysia, Hamilton accusing stewards after Monaco 2011, etc.
Also, Kimi did not cause other drivers to have accidents and didn't apologize to them, example his crash with Sutil & he apologized. He only caused a yellow flag.
#176
Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:23
Kimi what happenned?
" I Spun"
It was like the most useless answer you can give to a question. Everybody knew he had spun so what was the point of giving a stupid answer?
I like Kimi, but he can be very cocky sometime.
It was a stupid question to begin with.
#177
Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:24
It wasn't a nice thing to say that's for sure, but we've seen it before: the answers right after any F1 incident are always pretty similar unless someone has taken someone out. That's when you need to be sorry. Like Michael was at Singapore.
When he gets a thread for this kind of short interview answer and there are 5 pages already, I don't really understand these comments like : "Kimi has nothing to give for F1 etc.". C'mon he's giving you something to talk about at the moment.
I'm sure that someone will turn all this against me calling me a "fanboy" and stuff. It's just what fans do so I get it. I am a huge F1 fan. I really enjoy arguing about these things
Edited by Miggeex, 06 October 2012 - 16:25.
#178
Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:31
#179
Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:32
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#180
Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:36
I'm amazed people are finding a way to defend him here. I dont think its as big a deal as some are making it out to be, but its hard to deny that its not what you want to hear from a sportsman.
defend him from what exactly?
the only thing he did wrong was spinning, and that was a mistake no one is defending.
There is nothing else he would need defense for, he doesnt care about others, that's an opinion, not an action, it doesnt matter if he cares or doesnt care, it doesnt change a thing...
if you wanna judge if someone is a sportsman, look at his action and his record.
it doesnt matter what you or anyone want to hear, what matters are his actions on the track, and there he is among the fairest drivers.
You dont have to pretend to care about other drivers lap times in order to be fair and sportsmanlike...
and that's the only difference there is compared to other drivers, he is just not pretending.
not for a second do I believe that any driver actually really cares about the lap times of the others, especially not after spinning and ruining their own lap.
Edited by beute, 06 October 2012 - 16:39.
#181
Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:39
defend him from what exactly?
the only thing he did wrong was spinning, and that was a mistake no one is defending.
There is nothing else he would need defense for, he doesnt care about others, that's an opinion, not an action, it doesnt matter if he cares or doesnt care, it doesnt change a thing...
if you wanna judge if someone is a sportsman, look at his action and his record.
it doesnt matter what you or anyone want to hear, what matters are his actions on the track, and there he is among the fairest drivers.
You dont have to pretend to care about other drivers lap times in order to be fair and sportsmanlike...
and that's the only difference there is compared to other drivers, he is just not pretending.
not for a second I believe that any driver actually really cares about the lap times of the others, especially not after spinning and ruining their own lap.
#182
Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:40
This is what all the hand wringing is about??
Let the drama queens rant!!!
This thread is pure comedy!!! I have been laughing out loud since the first page!
#183
Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:40
#184
Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:46
#185
Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:46
An excellent reply to a really stupid question is what it was....he is one of the fairest drivers on the grid and you now have people complaining he didnt say sorry.
Kinda reminds me of those F.Massa comments after his injury in 09..''Kimi didnt even send me a card''
And that is so incredibly cool or what?
Edited by marcoferrari, 06 October 2012 - 16:55.
#186
Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:47
#187
Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:55
#188
Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:56
People, who consider Kimi's comments cool and/or fine, should never-ever criticize people like Hamilton, Vettel, Alonso giving comments/gestures in the heat of the moment either. Like Alonso waving to Petrov after Abu Dhabi 2010, Vettel being mad at Karthikeyan after Malaysia, Hamilton accusing stewards after Monaco 2011, etc.
Why? That is the way things are done in all fan bases. Heavily praise your favs and criticize the rest.
There is no fair in the fanzone...
#189
Posted 06 October 2012 - 16:57
#190
Posted 06 October 2012 - 17:00
#191
Posted 06 October 2012 - 17:02
Wasn't it the opposite? That when journos went pestering Massa trying to get some headline statements, telling him how Räikkönen had not gone to visit him, Massa told them that Räikkönen had not visited him but sent him a card, that Kimi had written-or whatever- by himself, and that, since he knew Kimi, he could appreciate it in what it was worth and it was okay with him?An excellent reply to a really stupid question is what it was....he is one of the fairest drivers on the grid and you now have people complaining he didnt say sorry.
Kinda reminds me of those F.Massa comments after his injury in 09..''Kimi didnt even send me a card''
Or did I just make that up?
That's how I remember it but, since I never pay much attention to that kind of stories, I might be completely and absolutely wrong.
#192
Posted 06 October 2012 - 17:05
a) the media questions are extremely 'boring' nowadays in the pen and every race it is asking the same thing. There are no risky questions, or potentially controversial questions, the questions are always safe, or in some cases stupid. There's no real attempt to 'deviate'.
b) the drivers are too media trained for their own good. Therefore having Raikkonen say what he feels, although some may disagree with what he actually said, is a good thing. The "PR happy" world of Formula 1 grates a lot when you see drivers say exactly what they feel twenty years ago. The standard answers I think also has to do with the media pen in Formula 1 in that they get asked the same types of questions three times in a row to the point where it gets boring for the drivers. Very rarely does something controversial or interesting get noted in the pen, and instead only interesting things get noted after the event has happened.
PS - back on topic please.
#193
Posted 06 October 2012 - 17:06
#194
Posted 06 October 2012 - 17:10
People, who consider Kimi's comments cool and/or fine, should never-ever criticize people like Hamilton, Vettel, Alonso giving comments/gestures in the heat of the moment either. Like Alonso waving to Petrov after Abu Dhabi 2010, Vettel being mad at Karthikeyan after Malaysia, Hamilton accusing stewards after Monaco 2011, etc.
And because you said this you should never be allowed to drink milk again or cross a road alone.
#195
Posted 06 October 2012 - 17:16
I second that. If Kimi should slow down because of yellow flags, he would be the first to say that these things happen in racing and there's nothing you can do about them.He is one of the fairest drivers out there, if not the fairest. Sportsmanship argument does not sell at all.
#196
Posted 06 October 2012 - 17:18
But people are acting as if they heard Kimi say " i dont care " for the first time. Actually inital days his response to 90 % questions were those 3 syllables.I completely agree. It's not the end of the world, but it is common courtesy.
And those who like Kimi like him inspite of this apparent rude behaviour OR precisely because of this attitude. Thats the reason I dont understand the outrage.
And on top of it , its bloody TRUE. I couldnt care less what other drivers faced. When i heard Nat ask the question that was my first thought - " who the f... cares abt the rest"
Ditto when i saw him spin - i was like sh!t Kimi lost a golden opportunity to trim the points lead to Nando bigtime
Edited by sailor, 06 October 2012 - 17:24.
#197
Posted 06 October 2012 - 17:40
This is what all the hand wringing is about??
Was just going to say the same.
Think there might be a local shortage of paper hankies judging by the crying going on here.
Edited by Clatter, 06 October 2012 - 17:43.
#198
Posted 06 October 2012 - 18:02
#199
Posted 06 October 2012 - 18:05
Beit of eh disaster for youhh and eh few others with the yellow flags!?
What the hell do you mean? Are you xxxing chiding me for causing yellow flags for others? How the hell do I care? xxxx off
Beit of eh disaster for youhh and eh few others with the yellow flags!?
Yeah.
Does that sound better?
I love his answer to such a rude question. Spot on, I think!