Its going to happen whether Mark wants it to or not. How he keeps motivated is beyond me and its a credit to him IMO.
Spirit.
Focus.
Ability.
Tenacity.
Aussie Grit.
Posted 13 October 2012 - 13:27
Its going to happen whether Mark wants it to or not. How he keeps motivated is beyond me and its a credit to him IMO.
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 13:31
Posted 13 October 2012 - 13:38
As they exit the first corner, Seb will be leading the race.Well, this thread is extremely relevant after today's qualifying session. What will happen tomorrow?
Posted 13 October 2012 - 18:06
And he's certainly the most likeable character of the two, but having such a talented teammate with so much support of the team must get to him a little in private. I'd be praying for a leg breaking accident for my chance to shine lol.Spirit.
Focus.
Ability.
Tenacity.
Aussie Grit.
Posted 13 October 2012 - 18:20
Posted 13 October 2012 - 18:29
Jenson Button is expecting Red Bull to play championship games on Sunday. Mark Webber has qualified on pole in Korea, having declared that he is not ready to start playing a supporting role for his title-vying Red Bull teammate Sebastian Vettel. But with Vettel now just four points behind championship leader Fernando Alonso, and two places ahead of the Spaniard on the grid, McLaren's Button senses Webber has an important spoiling role to play. "I don't think he (Webber) will, do you?" McLaren team boss Martin Whitmarsh told reporters in the McLaren hospitality area in Korea. "I do," nodded Button. Whitmarsh replied: "Well, I don't think he will, willingly."
Posted 13 October 2012 - 19:18
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Posted 13 October 2012 - 20:33
has a what to what?Excuse you, but Mark has a championship to win.
If Vettel wants to get past him, that's his problem. Hopefully Vettel can fight clean, though the last time these two were left to fight Vettel decided to emulate Schumi and come across...
Posted 13 October 2012 - 20:38
Posted 13 October 2012 - 20:41
Excuse you, but Mark has a championship to win.
If Vettel wants to get past him, that's his problem. Hopefully Vettel can fight clean, though the last time these two were left to fight Vettel decided to emulate Schumi and come across...
Excuse you, but Mark had a championship to win... in 2010
Posted 14 October 2012 - 08:18
Posted 14 October 2012 - 08:20
In my opinion webber chose not to challenge vettel today, except for the first few corners maybe.
Posted 14 October 2012 - 08:24
Take it easy, I'm not saying he had the pace to beat vettel, but it seemed he was able to turn the pace up pretty damn quickly whenever alonso got close.Rubbish. He didn't have the pace. You don't need to drop 10 seconds back to "not challenge" your teammate. Massa was "not challenging" from 2 seconds back.
Edited by goldenboy, 14 October 2012 - 08:25.
Posted 14 October 2012 - 08:25
Posted 14 October 2012 - 08:31
The championship battle is over for Webber so there is really no reason for him to challenge.
Posted 14 October 2012 - 08:49
In my opinion webber chose not to challenge vettel today, except for the first few corners maybe.
Posted 14 October 2012 - 10:57
I agree. Vettel only got the race victory and the championship lead. I am sure he would change his place with Webber in a heartbeat if he could.Bullsh*t. It's Mark. Of course he challenged Vettel. But after the attempt on the outside he then had to deal with Alonso which allowed Vettel to scamper off.
On the plus side, Mark got FL, and I'm sure that made Golden Boy cranky.
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Posted 14 October 2012 - 11:04
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I have to say that I have been wondering if there were team orders for the first corner, or Webber let it go on his own, but past the first corner he was controlling his P2, rather than challenging for P1. Reasons aren't clear, because simply either Seb got loose and lived in the world of his own, or Webber simply realized how fragile WDC situation is, and decided to play it safe, which I think was a wise and mature move.In my opinion webber chose not to challenge vettel today, except for the first few corners maybe.
Posted 14 October 2012 - 11:12
Edited by goldenboy, 14 October 2012 - 11:13.
Posted 14 October 2012 - 11:24
Posted 14 October 2012 - 11:33
The fact that Webber was able to turn the pace up when Alonso got closer doesn't mean he could have gone quicker than Vettel. I am pretty sure Vettel could have upped his pace, too, had it been necessary.
Posted 14 October 2012 - 14:29
Edited by H2H, 14 October 2012 - 14:31.
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Posted 14 October 2012 - 23:51
I have no idea why Webber says he pushed, wanted the win over Vettel, and was upset. Seriously, he has no business fighting with Vettel anymore. Red Bull should have a clear word with him.
Posted 15 October 2012 - 00:39
I completely agree. I feel the only time team orders should even be considered is when one of a team's drivers is mathematically out of the championship. Seb should have to fight Webber at least as long as he is in contention.*muttering to self* Don't feed the trolls, don't feed the trolls, don't punch them in the face...
OF COURSE HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIGHTING WITH VETTEL.
He is 63 points behind and there are 100 points maximum left on the table. Plenty of leeway.
Posted 15 October 2012 - 00:51
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Posted 15 October 2012 - 02:31
I am afraid that Webber has been supporting Vettel's title bid ever since his cold spell after the British GP. Once Vettel began to separate himself from Webber in the WDC standings, it was all RB needed to fully back Seb.
Posted 15 October 2012 - 02:36
You mean after he signed the contract extension? They are doing what it has to be done what I can't stand is the hypocrisy of denying it and the feeling of moral superiority they love to show.
Posted 15 October 2012 - 06:46
Posted 15 October 2012 - 09:32
Ahhh... the good old conspiracy theories are back.
Posted 15 October 2012 - 10:32
I think you should ask yourself how many people currently ragging on red bull above are mclaren fans rather than webber fans though.Indeed. Ignore the facts and carry on, is the daily slogan of some fans here.
Edited by goldenboy, 15 October 2012 - 10:34.
Posted 16 October 2012 - 03:38
I think you should ask yourself how many people currently ragging on red bull above are mclaren fans rather than webber fans though.
I don't think there was a conspiracy, but there is no problem with discussing whether or not webber didn't do all he could to challenge vettel. And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that if it was the case - webber cost himself a shot by being slow for too many races. But it's a fact that he was able to drop his laptime immediately when alonso got close. I also don't think in my opinion you can believe his post race remarks, I don't think it's something they would openly discuss, in fact I don't think you would find any team doing differently if that was the case. Pretty obvious really, but still only speculation on my behalf.
Don't get me wrong, I think vettel was faster and deserved the win, but I also believe webber was reargunning for him and could have been faster.
One thing that I would like to talk about is the laptime/delta each are given to manage their tyres, I find that one a bit fascinating, but will bring it up in the versus thread as it belongs there.
Posted 16 October 2012 - 10:27
I think you should ask yourself how many people currently ragging on red bull above are mclaren fans rather than webber fans though.
I don't think there was a conspiracy, but there is no problem with discussing whether or not webber didn't do all he could to challenge vettel. And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that if it was the case - webber cost himself a shot by being slow for too many races. But it's a fact that he was able to drop his laptime immediately when alonso got close. I also don't think in my opinion you can believe his post race remarks, I don't think it's something they would openly discuss, in fact I don't think you would find any team doing differently if that was the case. Pretty obvious really, but still only speculation on my behalf.
Don't get me wrong, I think vettel was faster and deserved the win, but I also believe webber was reargunning for him and could have been faster.
One thing that I would like to talk about is the laptime/delta each are given to manage their tyres, I find that one a bit fascinating, but will bring it up in the versus thread as it belongs there.
Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:17
Webber slip-streamed Vettel on the long straight and tried to overtake him on the outside into turn 3. He tried but was unsuccessful as Vettel had the inside line then. The consequence of that move was he nearly lost his 2nd place to Alonso, as Alonso had a better drive out of that corner.Well, if what Webber did in Korea is considered fighting then I'm sure everyone in Red Bull is ok with Webber fighting as much as he wants.
Posted 16 October 2012 - 13:10
Webber slip-streamed Vettel on the long straight and tried to overtake him on the outside into turn 3. He tried but was unsuccessful as Vettel had the inside line then. The consequence of that move was he nearly lost his 2nd place to Alonso, as Alonso had a better drive out of that corner.
That's more than could be said about Massa's challenge on Alonso eventhough the former was clearly faster on the last stint.
Posted 16 October 2012 - 13:14
If Webber would really want to fight for the first place why did he only go for fast laps each time that Alonso closed the gap?
Posted 16 October 2012 - 13:26
I'm sure Vettel was very worried about that "move". If Webber would really want to fight for the first place why did he only go for fast laps each time that Alonso closed the gap? Webber did an excellent job in Korea, the job he was asked for, and that's fine with me. A shame that, as expected, Horner is once more talking BS as we all were fools.
Posted 16 October 2012 - 13:31
The team was apparently worried about the tyres on both cars lasting until the end of the race.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 15:49
but it should be remembered too that without Karthikeyan driving into him, and two alternator failures Vettel would also have 50 points or so more.Listening to Horner on the radio to Mark after the race it was pretty clear he's already doing what he needs to do for the team. Webber and Red Bull's image is such that they will never be overt about it.
It should be remembered too that without Grosjean driving into him, two gearbox penalties, and the team messing up safety car strategy with him in Singapore he'd probably have 50 points or so more than he currently has, so it's not really fair to ask this of Mark when they've refused to do things the other way around when Seb had had misfortune.
Posted 16 October 2012 - 15:57
Posted 16 October 2012 - 16:04
People whining about team orders in a race Vettel first overtakes Webber from the dirty side on the start, then defends from him into the next corner before clearly beating him on pace? Not surprised.
I can't really see Webber accepting a team order to let Vettel through unless maybe for the last race and a deciding move, he doesn't seem to be a team player like that.