Korean Grand Prix Build-up

Was waiting for this,lets talk about Korea,you think Lewis can get pole and a win this weekend.

Was waiting for this,lets talk about Korea,you think Lewis can get pole and a win this weekend.

For the Championship I'm hoping for a Lewis, Kimi 1-2 with Nando and Seb dnf-ing.

Desperation has set in in the House of Red.
Expect anything , even more crashes from Alonso trying too hard is not without possibility.

Heck - I wouldnt even count out a Macca style fallout between the team and the favored one.
Lets see.

Really obvious when a post is built from wishful thinking.

All those wanting drivers to crash or DNF are embarrassing.
Shame you're relying on other to lose it rather than your man to win it.

All those wanting drivers to crash or DNF are embarrassing.
Shame you're relying on other to lose it rather than your man to win it.

It's easier to say that when you're man is the favourite and in the fastest car. Unfortunately I'm in the position whereby the driver I support (Alonso) can only really win if misfortune hits Vettel. I don't want him to crash but at the same time I can't deny I'll smile if the alternator goes. If he has no problems the I'll applaud Vettel and Red Bull for doing a better job. Essentially I'd rather Ferrari was faster than Red Bull but if we can't have a pace advantage the I hope for an advantage somewhere else, and if that's reliability or trackside operations then so be it.

It's easier to say that when you're man is the favourite and in the fastest car. Unfortunately I'm in the position whereby the driver I support (Alonso) can only really win if misfortune hits Vettel.

How many of Alonso's victories have been inherited after his main rival suffers some problem of reliability issues?
I would like my driver to win because he proved he was best, not because the other guy had to step aside for reasons outside of his control.

Who ever wins this race will win the championship. FACT.

This is an attitude that really annoys me, a great F1 car must be both fast and reliable. If the guy winning the race breaks down he is no more unlucky than the guy sitting in P11 who doesn't have a car quick enough to score points. One of them has a car that isn't reliable enough and one of them has a car that isn't quick enough. It seems reliability is seen as luck yet the team is help responsible for the pace of the car. If Alonso's rivals have been unlucky to break down from a few races then I put it to you that he has been even unluckier to have been given cars that are no match for his rivals on pace since 2008. At the end of the day the constructor/driver combination that can complete the race distance in the quickest time deserves to win.

This is an attitude that really annoys me, a great F1 car must be both fast and reliable. If the guy winning the race breaks down he is no more unlucky than the guy sitting in P11 who doesn't have a car quick enough to score points. One of them has a car that isn't reliable enough and one of them has a car that isn't quick enough. It seems reliability is seen as luck yet the team is help responsible for the pace of the car. If Alonso's rivals have been unlucky to break down from a few races then I put it to you that he has been even unluckier to have been given cars that are no match for his rivals on pace since 2008. At the end of the day the constructor/driver combination that can complete the race distance in the quickest time deserves to win.

Grosjean and Webber will be in the press conference

Where did I say "luck" in the post you quoted?
And you certainly didn't answer my question...

And now that you mention it, that is part of what goes into having a good car. Speed+reliability. Having a car that puts you p1 but breaks down is NOT a good car; the car who puts you in P2 and then inherits P1 is the BEST car. Judging just part of the picture when labelling a "good" car and a "snail" is just not correct. The best car is the car that is fast and can make it to the end. This year, McLaren and RedBull have proven they are fragile, and Ferrari's race pace is equal, or better, to them...

i'm sooo gonna watch that.

CALL OF DUTY - press warfare

Who ever wins this race will win the championship. FACT.

That's not a fact at all and shouting doesn't make it so.

"I would like my driver to win because he proved he was best, not because the other guy had to step aside for reasons outside of his control."

"Luck: fortune (whether bad or good) which occurs beyond one's control"

You pretty much defined luck there, all I am saying is that he is no more unlucky to break down than he was to find himself in a car capable of being in P1. If he was in P11 and broke down then nobody would care even though he has been even more unlucky - to have a slow and unreliable car.

I'm not going to discuss Ferrari's pace this season because clearly we aren't going to agree on that.

Who ever wins this race will win the championship. FACT.

This is an attitude that really annoys me, a great F1 car must be both fast and reliable. If the guy winning the race breaks down he is no more unlucky than the guy sitting in P11 who doesn't have a car quick enough to score points. One of them has a car that isn't reliable enough and one of them has a car that isn't quick enough. It seems reliability is seen as luck yet the team is help responsible for the pace of the car. If Alonso's rivals have been unlucky to break down from a few races then I put it to you that he has been even unluckier to have been given cars that are no match for his rivals on pace since 2008. At the end of the day the constructor/driver combination that can complete the race distance in the quickest time deserves to win.

Desperation has set in in the House of Red.
Expect anything , even more crashes from Alonso trying too hard is not without possibility.

Heck - I wouldnt even count out a Macca style fallout between the team and the favored one.
Lets see.

Edited by ali.unal, 10 October 2012 - 12:28.

What if Button or Rosberg wins??...does it still apply

Yeah cause Alonso has a habit of crashing.

Your post appears to be the only thing resembling desperation.

All those wanting drivers to crash or DNF are embarrassing.
Shame you're relying on other to lose it rather than your man to win it.

he did show desperation in 2007 mclaren year, he misjudged both canada and catalunya first corners trying to overtake, also he made mistakes trying to push in Fuji. (i'm not trying to be sarcastic, just stating the facts, so don't get worked up )

Edited by Seanspeed, 10 October 2012 - 13:01.

he did show desperation in 2007 mclaren year, he misjudged both canada and catalunya first corners trying to overtake, also he made mistakes trying to push in Fuji. (i'm not trying to be sarcastic, just stating the facts, so don't get worked up )

Edited by Ferras, 10 October 2012 - 13:55.

My first post on the forum =)
Hoping to see a good race here

My first post on the forum =)
Hoping to see a good race here

Desperation has set in in the House of Red.
Expect anything , even more crashes from Alonso trying too hard is not without possibility.

Heck - I wouldnt even count out a Macca style fallout between the team and the favored one.
Lets see.

he did show desperation in 2007 mclaren year, he misjudged both canada and catalunya first corners trying to overtake, also he made mistakes trying to push in Fuji. (i'm not trying to be sarcastic, just stating the facts, so don't get worked up )

Neither of which resulted in a crash.

Neither of which resulted in a crash.

That is probably the *only* positive thing about Canada'07... I think that has to be the worst race by a top driver in recent years: to have what was the best car on the grid overtaken by the worst car (by far) in F1 just shows how much Alonso was affected by having his teammate being really fast there.

That is probably the *only* positive thing about Canada'07... I think that has to be the worst race by a top driver in recent years: to have what was the best car on the grid overtaken by the worst car (by far) in F1 just shows how much Alonso was affected by having his teammate being really fast there.

I don't know. Spa 2010 was grim.... very

and that's not Alonso I'm talking about

Good point... Spa 2010 or Canada 2007... which one was worst?

Spa 2010 was one bad move from Vettel that ended his (and Button's) race, and gave him the hype of "can't overtake" (together with the not-so-gentle squeeze by Webber and his early chop in Turkey).

Canada 2007 was a sequence of mistakes, from lap 1 to the very end of the race...

China 2005 was a very painful show by Schumacher (crashing on his way to the grid...) but at least, the F2005 was a really bad car! (probably, the last truly bad car built by Maranello).

Hamilton has had quite a few poor showings, but I cannot recall a single one that stands out.

So anyway, I cannot decide which one was worst: the single, very costly move by Vettel at Spa'10, or the sequence of mistakes and erratic driving by Alonso at Canada'07. Probably still Alonso's. Unlike Seb, he was a 2xWDC by that time, and was a fixture of F1 by then. But it is a close call indeed.

Edited by fabr68, 10 October 2012 - 19:31.

That is probably the *only* positive thing about Canada'07... I think that has to be the worst race by a top driver in recent years: to have what was the best car on the grid overtaken by the worst car (by far) in F1 just shows how much Alonso was affected by having his teammate being really fast there.

on the lighter side .... finally we've found ...

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Sorry but Lotus is winning the crashing championship this year. Groshean is on first place.