Speed channel to no longer carry F1 in USA
#51
Posted 12 October 2012 - 20:10
Hopefully the North American races are on NBC.
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#52
Posted 12 October 2012 - 20:13
Blame Bernie and his high fee. They had to spam it with commercials just to make ends meet (presumably).
It's not Bernie this time, from what I understand the Speed Channel is going away by the end of the year - no more automotive sports channels for fox.
I really hope NBC doesn't get it, I'd rather see Velocity get it. NBC will do delayed airings I fear, just like fox.
#53
Posted 12 October 2012 - 20:14
#54
Posted 12 October 2012 - 20:30
I beg to differ. ESPN was the first one to broadcast a lot of motorsports regularly, but it's by far the worst at it.ESPN has done a great job with NASCAR. I figure they could do F1 proud.
#55
Posted 12 October 2012 - 20:31
ESPN had F1 from the 80's through to 1997. ESPN aired commericals for the season opening Australian GP without confirming their contract. They simply took it for granted. Fox swept in at the last minute, negotiated a deal and got it.ESPN has done a great job with NASCAR. I figure they could do F1 proud.
So, they showed commericals for a race, right up to a few hours before, that did not air on their network.
ESPN did NOT send its commentary crew to races in later years either. And prior to that, Varsha and Hobbs were seated in the back of a mini-van in the infield watching a couple of small monitors (they showed this once at Imola). Amazing they did as well as they did under those circumstances.
And, for anyone equating "good football coverage" with anticipation of "good" auto racing coverage
#56
Posted 12 October 2012 - 20:32
Riding along on past glories and no one has a higher opinion of themselves.I beg to differ. ESPN was the first one to broadcast a lot of motorsports regularly, but it's by far the worst at it.
They weren't even first, but they'll tell you they were.
#57
Posted 12 October 2012 - 20:35
Well, yeah I can because the middle is "infomercials" which could be bumped and which SPEED airs and even ESPN did at one time. The outdoor programs might be carry over from the networks earlier days. I have no idea what contract those are under.I wasn't kidding earlier. Speed was already getting pretty ridiculous with the content of their motorsport programming, but it's nothing compared to NBC Sports.
let's take next Sunday for example:
Speed: http://www.speedtv.c...date/2012-10-14
NBC Sports: http://affiliate.zap...mp;stnNum=15952
can you imagine the usual european GP being inserted in the NBC Sports morning lineup there? or in the middle of the night? if the ratings were bad on Speed, this will be something else.. lol
SPEED is going away, NBC Sports is adding motorsports programming. If they add one or two more, they'd probably surpass SPEED.
#58
Posted 12 October 2012 - 20:39
They were the first to make it a regular event rather than an occasional show, AFAIK.Riding along on past glories and no one has a higher opinion of themselves.
They weren't even first, but they'll tell you they were.
#59
Posted 12 October 2012 - 20:41
ESPN had F1 from the 80's through to 1997. ESPN aired commericals for the season opening Australian GP without confirming their contract. They simply took it for granted. Fox swept in at the last minute, negotiated a deal and got it.
So, they showed commericals for a race, right up to a few hours before, that did not air on their network.
ESPN did NOT send its commentary crew to races in later years either. And prior to that, Varsha and Hobbs were seated in the back of a mini-van in the infield watching a couple of small monitors (they showed this once at Imola). Amazing they did as well as they did under those circumstances.
And, for anyone equating "good football coverage" with anticipation of "good" auto racing coverage
You do know that Speed don't send Varsha and Hobbs either.
If any of you all watch the NASCAR coverage you would know that ESPN blows Fox out of the water. I know it's subjective but I don't see how anyone could disagree.
F1 needs ESPN to cover it, if they want to succeed in the US market.
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#60
Posted 12 October 2012 - 20:47
F1 is going to get stuck on NBC sports. And you know who has NBC sports? A lot less people than ESPN.
If ESPN picks up F1, that means F1 will get the full treatment: spots on SportsCenter, Commercials, the possibility to air on ABC, plus WatchESPN. Now tell me you would not want to be able to watch F1 on your phone in the US.
If F1 is serious about being a big name in the US, they will take whatever ESPN offers them, if they are lucky enough to receive an offer from ESPN.
#61
Posted 12 October 2012 - 20:53
Yes, well aware it. Pointing it out to those posters who apparently believe that practice began with SPEED.You do know that Speed don't send Varsha and Hobbs either.
If any of you all watch the NASCAR coverage you would know that ESPN blows Fox out of the water. I know it's subjective but I don't see how anyone could disagree.
F1 needs ESPN to cover it, if they want to succeed in the US market.
Sorry, I just agree with Dmitriy on principle I just don't like ESPN's self-inflated view of itself. I used to greatly enjoy the broadcast team of Punch, Ned Jarrett and Benny Parsons. They do many things well, just not as well as they think. And, yeah, that is even considering how bad FOX and TNT are/can be. For example, when ESPN lost NASCAR, they trashed it. Nice folks.
Since ESPN once covered F1...and we're having this discussion, doesn't that kind of disprove your point?
ESPN is not the end all and be-all of sports, but they've done a damn good job of convincing many people otherwise
#62
Posted 12 October 2012 - 21:00
But, that's the point, ESPN had F1 into the 90's and all the "treatment" on SportsCenter was "highlights" of crashes with a notoriously anti-auto racing TV personality providing his own mean-spirited and derisive commentary. Either that or the same "highlights" read by someone who had not the foggiest clue of anything about racing. Usually it was simply joke city, with the crew practicing their attempts at catch phrases. And all of that usually came 50 minutes in, unless there was a spectacular crash...then it moved forward.Here's the problem with NBC.
F1 is going to get stuck on NBC sports. And you know who has NBC sports? A lot less people than ESPN.
If ESPN picks up F1, that means F1 will get the full treatment: spots on SportsCenter, Commercials, the possibility to air on ABC, plus WatchESPN. Now tell me you would not want to be able to watch F1 on your phone in the US.
If F1 is serious about being a big name in the US, they will take whatever ESPN offers them, if they are lucky enough to receive an offer from ESPN.
The first part is true, but clearly NBC plans on building the network, likely through the same means as ESPN did.
Edited by Jim Thurman, 12 October 2012 - 21:10.
#63
Posted 12 October 2012 - 21:07
NBC intends to do pretty much the same as Speed did....NBC plans on building the network, likely through the same means as ESPN did.
http://www.sportsbus...edia/F1-TV.aspx
#64
Posted 12 October 2012 - 21:09
But, that's the point, ESPN had F1 into the 90's and all the "treatment" on SportsCenter was "highlights" of crashes with a notoriously anti-auto racing TV personality providing his own mean-spirited and derisive commentary. Either that or the same "highlights" read by someone who had not the foggiest clue of anything about racing. Usually it was simply joke city, with the crew practicing their attempts at catch phrases. And all of that usually came 50 minutes in, unless there was a spectacular crash...then it move forward.
The first part is true, but clearly NBC plans on building the network, likely through the same means as ESPN did.
I will take your word for it. Maybe NBC is going to really put forth the effort on this. I just feel as though ESPN would get F1 in front of a lot more eyes.
#65
Posted 12 October 2012 - 21:20
#66
Posted 12 October 2012 - 22:27
Actually I have basic cable and I get NBCSP but not SPEED so I for one welcome this changeProblem with NBC Sports is that it's typically on the most expensive cable/satellite packages out there. I have a feeling ratings will drop. (Not that they aren't that high to begin with)
Hopefully the North American races are on NBC.
#67
Posted 12 October 2012 - 22:38
Actually I have basic cable and I get NBCSP but not SPEED so I for one welcome this change
That is strange. You live in NC?
Also that picture of Stewart is horrifying.
#68
Posted 12 October 2012 - 23:00
From SportsBusinessDaily.Com
F1 is close to signing a multiyear U.S. rights deal with NBC Sports, according to several sources. The deal could be signed as early as this afternoon. NBC is expected to make a formal announcement early next week. Terms of the deal are not yet known, but sources said NBC outbid Fox. Sources valued Fox' previous deal in the low seven figures annually. The move ends a 16-year relationship between Fox and F1, as the racing circuit first sold its U.S. rights to Fox in '96. In the ensuing years, Fox showed a handful of races every year on its broadcast network, but the majority were on Speed. Fox Sports VP/Communications Lou D'Ermilio said, "It's disappointing to learn that F1 has elected to move forward with a different media partner. Speed has been the U.S. voice of F1 since the mid '90s, and it is a passion for many people at the network. Fox Sports Media Group made what we believed to be a fiscally responsible bid based on the sport's current viewership levels, but F1 has elected to go in another direction. We wish them well." NBC and F1 have agreed to a similar deal to what the racing circuit had with Fox, with the broadcast net carrying a small number of races each year and NBC Sports Network carrying the bulk of the schedule. The move helps NBC as it looks to build up the programming lineup on NBCSN with more live sports. The move also fits Fox Sports' strategy, as it is in the process of switching its Speed cable channel into an all-sports channel called Fox Sports 1. That channel would carry programming like MLB, college football and UFC. There is less of a need for racing programming like F1.
Edited by FSA, 12 October 2012 - 23:01.
#69
Posted 12 October 2012 - 23:24
Don't know what all the talk about ESPN is for.
They ain't doing it.
Jp
#70
Posted 12 October 2012 - 23:54
The three amigos might not be everyone's favorite but considering what they have had to work with I think they have done a fair job. I have actually come to enjoy listening to them.
Rest in peace Speedvision.
#71
Posted 12 October 2012 - 23:57
Doing this in full view of the public on Twitter is utterly unprofessional and naive. Buxton only has himself to blame if he is out of work next year. From the sounds of the comments here though no one is going to miss his reports from the track and I can second that.Let's take your job away and see how long you wish to delay to secure an income. Moronic post.
#72
Posted 13 October 2012 - 00:13
As for the ads, it's about 16 min an hour. That's regular for ad based TV in the US, including some subscription channels. Some subscription channels don't carry ads, HBO and Showtime to name a couple but most of the sports channels do carry ads.
Edited by loki, 13 October 2012 - 00:15.
#73
Posted 13 October 2012 - 00:13
#74
Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:22
MD Suburbs of DC on Xfinity.That is strange. You live in NC?
Also that picture of Stewart is horrifying.
#75
Posted 13 October 2012 - 02:27
Any word what Varsha will be doing? I cannot help, but this guy had a calming effect on me. Intelectual, sensitive to multi-cultural differences, a gentleman.
My bet is that those frigging Barrett/Jackson auctions will be getting a lot more air time now---as if they don't get enough as it is--so Varsha will still have plenty of work.
Unfortunately my prediction may well come true. I HATE those auctions!!
#76
Posted 13 October 2012 - 03:04
My bet is that those frigging Barrett/Jackson auctions will be getting a lot more air time now---as if they don't get enough as it is--so Varsha will still have plenty of work.
Unfortunately my prediction may well come true. I HATE those auctions!!
I'd bet that the auctions won't be part of the new network. Perhaps they'll find a home at Velocity like Mecum has or another basic cable outlet. FWIW, the auctions and reality programming made a lot more money for Speed than F1.
#77
Posted 13 October 2012 - 22:36
I need my Varsha!!!!
#78
Posted 13 October 2012 - 23:25
Doing this in full view of the public on Twitter is utterly unprofessional and naive. Buxton only has himself to blame if he is out of work next year. From the sounds of the comments here though no one is going to miss his reports from the track and I can second that.
Thank You..
Jp
#79
Posted 13 October 2012 - 23:36
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#80
Posted 14 October 2012 - 00:14
It's a little bittersweet to see Speed go for me. I'm probably being stubborn but I still feel like an all (or at least predominant) motorsports channel could work. They just never seemed strike the right balance.
#81
Posted 14 October 2012 - 00:31
Edited by FSA, 14 October 2012 - 00:40.
#82
Posted 14 October 2012 - 00:31
#83
Posted 14 October 2012 - 00:39
There has to be a good chance NBC will try to hire the Speed F1 commentary team to start their coverage, supplementing it with some appearances from ex-F1 drivers who are known in the States (of which there are plenty racing Indycars/Nascar now).
My guess is at least Hobbo and Matchet. I don't see how Varsha will fit in at Fox Sports 1 when they go to more stick and ball sports. Perhaps he can do F1 as well.
#84
Posted 14 October 2012 - 02:19
#85
Posted 14 October 2012 - 03:03
I do like the 'sound only' streams, but they're not always on when I can watch them. European races usually mean 4/5AM streams for FP1 and FP3. I'm an early bird, but not that early. And for the Eastern races, it means 9-10PM on Friday and Saturday, which I'm often out for or have people over. It'd be nice to have a TV broadcast that I can record and watch when its convenient for me.
totally agree.....
#86
Posted 14 October 2012 - 03:33
Back in the Speed Vision days, the owner plainly said that showing F1 was a labor of love, and not profitable. I doubt if it's any different today. Especially with Burn-in-hell-ie E ramping up the fees. And I kind of liked the Speed broadcast. It was like I was in the club. They didn't have to dumb it down for casual viewers (like on fox). I loved the tone of their comments - natural, informative.
And I don't understand the nostalgia for ABC-ESPN coverage. Espn never understood racing. Never knew what to do with it, or how to present it. It was like they were embarrassed to show it. I remember one race that started out with a rap-up of sports scores. And they gave away the results of the race they were about to show! The jerks giggled about it, and went on. A'holes!
And, commercial time will go down, when they had to outbid Speed for the rights? I don't think so. Neither does Bernie!
I've been watching F1 on TV since it was a 15 minute segment on 'wide world of sports', in the e60's. Personally, I will mourn the passing of the Speed F1 team. F1 was their passion - not just a paycheck they had to show up for, as needed.
Thanks for the show, Bob, David, Steve, Sam - even Will. It was a good ride!
#87
Posted 14 October 2012 - 05:18
As much as I despise ESPN on many levels, for many things, it should be pointed out that when ESPN was at its best racing wise, was when Roger Werner was COO or CEO. He was a racing fan, even did some club racing himself. Werner left ESPN and started...SpeedVision. Also, they did do some things right, for example, someone at ESPN made the call to team Varsha and Hobbs.Back in the Speed Vision days, the owner plainly said that showing F1 was a labor of love, and not profitable. I doubt if it's any different today. Especially with Burn-in-hell-ie E ramping up the fees. And I kind of liked the Speed broadcast. It was like I was in the club. They didn't have to dumb it down for casual viewers (like on fox). I loved the tone of their comments - natural, informative.
And I don't understand the nostalgia for ABC-ESPN coverage. Espn never understood racing. Never knew what to do with it, or how to present it. It was like they were embarrassed to show it. I remember one race that started out with a rap-up of sports scores. And they gave away the results of the race they were about to show! The jerks giggled about it, and went on. A'holes!
The incident you mention of the "jerks" giving the result of the race to follow and then laughing. Yep, remember that well and it involved the A**hole of all A**holes. The same fellow I was referring to in my post who would read the "highlights" on SportsCenter while making derisive remarks. He absolutely hates auto racing and goes out of his way to make opportunities to attack it.
#88
Posted 14 October 2012 - 05:41
Yep, remember that well and it involved the A**hole of all A**holes. The same fellow I was referring to in my post who would read the "highlights" on SportsCenter while making derisive remarks. He absolutely hates auto racing and goes out of his way to make opportunities to attack it.
Who was that, btw? Olbermann?
#89
Posted 14 October 2012 - 23:26
@JennaFryer: Intent is to show all live. RT @digger3210: @JennaFryer Any idea on how many live?
@JennaFryer: Qualifying and practices sessions are scheduled for NBC Sports Network. Everything will be streamed live online.
#90
Posted 14 October 2012 - 23:38
Matching blazers The big question is what color?Hopefully NBC Sports can afford some matching blazers for the broadcast crew
Who was that, btw? Olbermann?
He doesn't deserved to be mentioned here, but...yes.
#91
Posted 14 October 2012 - 23:41
Sounds good to me.@JennaFryer: NBC Sports Group signs 4-year deal for #F1 US rights. 4 races on NBC, 16 on NBC Sports Network.
@JennaFryer: Intent is to show all live. RT @digger3210: @JennaFryer Any idea on how many live?
@JennaFryer: Qualifying and practices sessions are scheduled for NBC Sports Network. Everything will be streamed live online.
#92
Posted 15 October 2012 - 00:28
Edited by Afterburner, 15 October 2012 - 00:28.
#93
Posted 15 October 2012 - 00:50
#94
Posted 15 October 2012 - 01:07
#95
Posted 15 October 2012 - 01:49
I am in the camp that will be happy to see SPEED lose the coverage but am unhappy that the broadcast team may not be carried over to the new network.
#96
Posted 15 October 2012 - 02:04
Edited by Chomsky, 15 October 2012 - 02:05.
#97
Posted 15 October 2012 - 02:40
I don't know what the obsession with Varsha is. He comes off as a slightly absent minded snob. I hope NBC hires Hobbs and Matchett but not Varsha. Leigh Diffey, Varsha's replacement for some races, is way better.
imo,
1. Matchett
2. Hobbs
3. Buxton
4. Varsha
I would prefer not to see Robin Miller doing to broadcasts but Im sure alot of people would like to see him on the coverage.
#98
Posted 15 October 2012 - 03:16
I'd say they are better than the Sky and BBC crews.
#99
Posted 15 October 2012 - 03:21
No need to worry about Robin Miller. He's an Indycar guy, doubt he'd be interested in F1 other than as a one-off.imo,
1. Matchett
2. Hobbs
3. Buxton
4. Varsha
I would prefer not to see Robin Miller doing to broadcasts but Im sure alot of people would like to see him on the coverage.
And, besides, those other countries don't have Steak N' Shake.
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#100
Posted 15 October 2012 - 03:29
It's a matter of personal taste, really. I can't stand Diffey's loud, shouting style of commentary, and I much prefer Varsha's usually calm tone when calling the race--I don't need a screaming, fast-talking commentator to help me get excited about what's going on. It's for this same reason I could never really stand Derek Daly and Ralph Sheheen's stints on CBS. They were perhaps the worst commentary team I've listened to in my time watching.I don't know what the obsession with Varsha is. He comes off as a slightly absent minded snob. I hope NBC hires Hobbs and Matchett but not Varsha. Leigh Diffey, Varsha's replacement for some races, is way better.
Credit to Sheheen, though, he called practice in Monza for Speed last year and did a job that was overwhelmingly better than his previous effort. Wouldn't want him as a regular, though.