Bernie: More European races will go

Ecclestone though told Sky Sports that we'll likely lose "two or three" more races from the continent.

"We'll keep trying to move forward. We're a world championship," said the 81-year-old.

"We'll probably lose two or three more races in Europe as we have to sort of move on," he added.

When asked if that would leave just four races in Europe, he replied: "Who knows?"

It's time to put the greedy criminal behind bars for stealing government money in way too many Asian countries. Sorry but that's just the way it is.

Edited by Sakae, 27 October 2012 - 17:43.

Edited by Sakae, 27 October 2012 - 19:32.

I am still thinking about that big push for big savings while hauling all that heavy and expensive gear around the world, while your office-base is located in Europe. Effect of budget cuts to pay for that travelling luxury with under-developped cars sooner or later will have to show up somewhere in some form. Human resources will also need to be probably increased to offset strained primary team, and there will be more impact along the way. I hope this man knows what he is doing, even as I scratch my head.


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Just recall what RD said a few years ago on this subject, that he thought (and it was before RRA), that 18 races were max what he/McLaren could handle, and races weren't spread around the globe as they are today.

The thing is with so many new race tracks being built all over the world the European tracks & facilities do look old and outclassed.

Why? Why should so much favouritism be given to European circuits?

Exporting expertise, resources, and work elsewhere is shortsightedness which, I was hoping, should have been clarified by now.

Because we can be fairly clear that European tracks were not built by indentured slaves.

(Apart from the Nurburgring, of course.)

Edited by SpaMaster, 27 October 2012 - 20:00.

Agreed, but if new tracks were built that provided good racing opportunities I wouldn't mind so much.

Are you saying European states haven't enslaved/colonized others in the past? Were all those structures purposefully destroyed? Are all those resources returned back to the colonized countries? I don't know why you want to go down this route.

Go away to race in Asia, oil-countries & Russia Bernie. The sooner the better, then I can watch something else than your Red Bull parades

The thing is with so many new race tracks being built all over the world the European tracks & facilities do look old and outclassed.

Edited by travbrad, 27 October 2012 - 20:25.

am just wondering which ones will go if they cut euroean races....

Am pretty sure they will like to keep the following


Spa ....considered by many to be a classic
Monza....same as above
Monaco........no way they will drop this......
and maybe barcelona.......obviously its becoming a favourite these days as well


Hungary, German.....british......seem to be the likely culprits that will be chopped

Why? Why should so much favouritism be given to European circuits? Sure, some are good. But are they really better than outside tracks? It's a global sport. It has a right to go to any place. Wanting European weightage is a backward idea, in my opinion. I don't agree with unsustainable F1 business like we see in Korea or China. But, if sustainability criterion is satisfied, the sport should be free to go anywhere. I don't agree with this expectation that it should stay in Europe. Europe as a continent can remain as the one with most races, but that's about it. It may be 6 while others may get a max of 4, but it does not have to be 8, 9 or 10.

Yes, European tracks are almost always better. Also a majority of F1 fans are from Europe, all teams are based in Europe, and the majority of team members are from Europe.

The thing is with so many new race tracks being built all over the world the European tracks & facilities do look old and outclassed.

Yes those new garages look spectacular. I'm seriously looking forward to newer and even classier garages next year.

I agree Bernie, it is a World Championship - so please stop making non-european countries start their races at times to suit European audiences...

1992: 10 races in Europe, 6 races elsewhere. European races 63%
2012: 8 races in Europe, 12 races elsewhere. European races 40%

Hardly a disaster rigth now if you look at it that way. European races reduced by 2, elsewhere +6.

true, but Bernie only cares for the £, frankly the man would rename the sport "Corporate Funds Racing" if you offered him enough.

money is ruining F1 like it ruins everything in this world, when we kill our own species off over pieces of paper and markets we made, we have only ourselves to blame, I just feel sorry for the other species who live on this planet, they must really ****ing hate what we are doing to it and to ourselves.

I agree Bernie, it is a World Championship - so please stop making non-european countries start their races at times to suit European audiences...

Edited by Nonesuch, 27 October 2012 - 22:05.

I agree Bernie, it is a World Championship - so please stop making non-european countries start their races at times to suit European audiences...

true, but Bernie only cares for the £, frankly the man would rename the sport "Corporate Funds Racing" if you offered him enough.

money is ruining F1 like it ruins everything in this world, when we kill our own species off over pieces of paper and markets we made, we have only ourselves to blame, I just feel sorry for the other species who live on this planet, they must really ****ing hate what we are doing to it and to ourselves.

Why? Why should so much favouritism be given to European circuits? Sure, some are good. But are they really better than outside tracks? It's a global sport. It has a right to go to any place. Wanting European weightage is a backward idea, in my opinion. I don't agree with unsustainable F1 business like we see in Korea or China. But, if sustainability criterion is satisfied, the sport should be free to go anywhere. I don't agree with this expectation that it should stay in Europe. Europe as a continent can remain as the one with most races, but that's about it. It may be 6 while others may get a max of 4, but it does not have to be 8, 9 or 10.

I wouldn't care - if - they actually took F1 to countries where they actually give a shit about the sport / and or the locals can actually afford to attend the race.

Look at some of the additions to the calendar - China, India, Abu Dhabi, Bahrain, and South Korea.... can anyone actually say any of these races have added to the appeal of F1? With the possible exception of China since its races at least seem to be entertaining sometimes, what has the sport gained? Empty grandstands... local apathy....tedious races...dismal circuits....? For some reason the Singapore GP seems popular with fans too, but I can't understand why, the actual race is invariably boring beyond belief?

If for one second Ecclestone was genuine about F1 being a world championship, then why is there only one South American race, Argentina and Mexico are obvious candidates, Brazil could easily support a second race, why not return to Kyalami? How can a world championship avoid an entire continent?

Personally I'm growing increasingly tired of F1, while its always been a 'rich' sport, the business aspect of it is now far too great IMHO, and while I often doubted the 'sport' element of it, I fail to see any sport at all in modern F1. I can't be bothered with another tedious Vettel lights to flag snoozefest on another crappy circuit tomorrow, I'll be watching something else....

Short-sightedness to who? We are living in a "global" world. There is no place for local jingoism. When you have a global market, economics are going to dictate a global operation. It's not like only Europeans can design car, have mechanical skills or do mathematics. Anyone skillful can do that, and the skill can be present anywhere. I won't bet against a team operating out of India, Japan or Singapore in the future.

Are you saying European states haven't enslaved/colonized others in the past? Were all those structures purposefully destroyed? Are all those resources returned back to the colonized countries? I don't know why you want to go down this route.

Bernie... He's creaming his kick backs from Tilke for commissioning these bits and pieces tracks that have no soul, tracks that will almost certainly be unused by F1 cars in a decades time.

Spa which is the best Euro based circuit, why are they losing spectators there?

Edited by Sakae, 28 October 2012 - 08:41.

Ecclestone says more European races will go

This completely ignores the fact that F1 is predominately a European/South American/Australasian sport, always has been, and remains so. Your argument is analogous to telling India that half its cricket matches will henceforth be held in Bolivia.

And sadly for your argument, most European F1 venues are vastly better than the dross we see in S.Korea, India, Abu Dhabi, etc.....