Interesting quote from Hamilton...

Edited by stanga, 28 October 2012 - 17:58.

The teams must be forced to make a compromise between qualy and race. That's the essence of good racing. It is all great to have long-lasting tyres that last the entire race. But there should be some downside to heat it up in qualy. If we did not have compulsory two-compound rule, some teams may have tried the whole race distance on hards. That would have pitted some one-stoppers against non-stoppers. There has to be some compromise.

Yet some drivers were so much faster on the last lap that I dont think they were all driving on the limit this race ... even though they could on these tyres today.

That was the real tragedy today IMO ... they are so aclimatised to the cheese tyres that now dont push even when they can

Edited by Disgrace, 28 October 2012 - 20:02.

Wow, did anyone see Hamilton's post race interview with the BBC? He was positively beaming, mainly on account of the tyres holding up, enabling him to push the whole race.

I thought it was to do with beating Button

They have to build tyres, that work longer and better the more you push

I'm beginning to think we should reduce the amount of live info that is available to the team. Let's see the drivers adjust the clutch bite point by, uh, using the clutch paddle. Let's see them figure out the tire target laptime by driving the car. Etc.

If it's too figured out, it becomes driving-by-numbers.

"Still, I loved it out there today – I can't remember the last time I've pushed so far, so hard, for so long, right on the limit – it felt great."

Anyone else see this as a sad indictment of the formula? After hearing comments earlier in the season from other drivers about driving at 70% capability, the whole spectacle seems a bit neutered, with the odd flutter of excitement. For me at least, the balance of the sport is a little out of kilter.

I don't know what the answer is though...

"Still, I loved it out there today – I can't remember the last time I've pushed so far, so hard, for so long, right on the limit – it felt great."

Anyone else see this as a sad indictment of the formula? After hearing comments earlier in the season from other drivers about driving at 70% capability, the whole spectacle seems a bit neutered, with the odd flutter of excitement. For me at least, the balance of the sport is a little out of kilter.

I don't know what the answer is though...

We are in a predicament - either have 1 stop 2010 style races, or multiple stop drivers pussyfooting it all over the place with Pirellis made from cheese.

Neither of which is exciting.

Lewis can't have pushed in his rookie session. Every other weekend he trots out the "I ragged the car like never before/ I've never pushed so hard in my life" line or equivalent.

Yeah he was finally 'racing the car'.

It's very sad to see in the current Formula that racers are too scared to push because of cheese tyres that will fall apart with 5 laps of driving on the limit.

The tyres should be made to allow 20 laps of pure hard driving on the limit and then start to give up.

Currently its like 1-2 hard laps, 20 laps of conserving the tyre driving to a delta time, and then facing the cliff anyway.

Lewis can't have pushed in his rookie session. Every other weekend he trots out the "I ragged the car like never before/ I've never pushed so hard in my life" line or equivalent.

Quite.

There are few certainties in life, but the ones we have are:

1 - You're born
2 - You're taxed
3 - You die
4 - Lewis Hamilton will claim he raced his heart out or some-such after each race.

I have no doubt he does race his little heart out each and every lap of every race...but I don't doubt it of the other drivers either. But they, refreshingly, don't feel the same need to constantly remind us.

Edited by PretentiousBread, 28 October 2012 - 23:24.

We are in a predicament - either have 1 stop 2010 style races, or multiple stop drivers pussyfooting it all over the place with Pirellis made from cheese.

Just wait til he gets his hands on that Mercedes. That will wipe the smile off his face.

am sure you know how horrible the Mercedes is compared to Hamilton...geez when would you guys stop all these ignorant "wait till he drives the Benz blah blah blah" comments,he knows more about what is going on with the Mercedes than you would ever know so am sure he knows the reality that he is going to face in 2013......normal people make long term investments,Rome was not built in a day.
i personally don't understand the move but the reality is that it's not for me to understand,you can't understand something you don't know about.

Edited by Seanspeed, 29 October 2012 - 03:13.

There's lots of reasons to believe he'll be in a much worse place at Mercedes. Especially if his big complaint is tire wear.

He's about to have a seriously rude awakening and will probably quickly realize how good he had it at Mclaren.

The Bridgestones were almost like that. The faster you went, the more hysteresis occurred, offering up more chemical grip the harder you pushed. Pirelli is the opposite - the harder you push the more they degrade and the slower you go.

He hasn't had it "good" since Ron Dennis was TD.

There's lots of reasons to believe he'll be in a much worse place at Mercedes. Especially if his big complaint is tire wear.

He's about to have a seriously rude awakening and will probably quickly realize how good he had it at Mclaren.

We are in a predicament - either have 1 stop 2010 style races, or multiple stop drivers pussyfooting it all over the place with Pirellis made from cheese.

Neither of which is exciting.

Edited by Snic, 29 October 2012 - 09:14.

Lewis can't have pushed in his rookie session. Every other weekend he trots out the "I ragged the car like never before/ I've never pushed so hard in my life" line or equivalent.

Edited by Kvothe, 29 October 2012 - 09:19.

Lewis can't have pushed in his rookie session. Every other weekend he trots out the "I ragged the car like never before/ I've never pushed so hard in my life" line or equivalent.

Edited by alframsey, 29 October 2012 - 09:46.

Quite.

There are few certainties in life, but the ones we have are:

1 - You're born
2 - You're taxed
3 - You die
4 - Lewis Hamilton will claim he raced his heart out or some-such after each race.

I have no doubt he does race his little heart out each and every lap of every race...but I don't doubt it of the other drivers either. But they, refreshingly, don't feel the same need to constantly remind us.

I'm beginning to think we should reduce the amount of live info that is available to the team. Let's see the drivers adjust the clutch bite point by, uh, using the clutch paddle. Let's see them figure out the tire target laptime by driving the car. Etc.

If it's too figured out, it becomes driving-by-numbers.

Interesting; are you familiar with "Godwin's Law"? Its a loose internet standard that says "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1." Well, you perfectly illustrate the Autosport equivalent in that as any discussion grows longer, the probability of it devolving into a "Hamilton Bashing Discussion" approaches 1.




for ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Edited by 3011969, 29 October 2012 - 13:01.

Or we reduce the amount of dirty air by reintroducing ground effects.. but we've been over that one before

From watching the onboards the drivers didn't look like they were at the limit.. The drivers still look **** scared of getting any oversteer at all in case the cheese melts, the lack of opposite lock in f1 these days is a crime

It is indeed very telling, this quote. And I think mixing pirelli with refuelling would be an alternative worth thinking about.

No self respecting race driver likes driving to delta times. No matter how hard some try to convince us it is the real mastercraft nowadays.

2010 Was one of the greatest seasons the sports has seen.