Hamilton:" Vettel misses 4 apexes and still gets pole"

Obviously you can afford errors if your car is quick enough relative to the competition. Probably more truth to it last season than this, but Vettel is still the best over one lap.

I don't think you understand how this works.

Lewis made a claim. You can't then demand proof of that claim from other people.

I don't think you understand how this works.

Lewis made a claim. You can't then demand proof of that claim from other people.

Of course I can demand a proof from THE PEOPLE SUPPORTS THIS STATS.

Or maybe if Lewis says it´s rainning at Abu Dabi when it´s not you will support him... that´s BLINDNESS fanboyism.

When his car allows, earlier in this season I didn't see Vettel the best over one lap.

This. Where were his fans then?

That video missed the corner of the straight which he misses then the end of the straight which he misses then the last corner which you could argue he misses.

When his car allows, earlier in this season I didn't see Vettel the best over one lap.

Casually... again, and again, and again: PROVE IT.

Again, can you prove he missed apexes???

Please answer me and prove it, without proves your or Lewis stats are simply nonsense.

Please can anyone who said such nonsense things prove at least what they are saying or simply rubbish to downplay Seb?

Thought somebody would raise that. On balance, he is the best over a lap- that's not to say he's infallible or superhuman. Eg- put him, Hamilton and Alonso in the same car over a 20 race season and I'd expect quali to be 10-6-4, Vettel-Hamilton-Alonso.

Or you could just be reasonable.

Thought somebody would raise that. On balance, he is the best over a lap- that's not to say he's infallible or superhuman. Eg- put him, Hamilton and Alonso in the same car over a 20 race season and I'd expect quali to be 10-6-4, Vettel-Hamilton-Alonso.

Casually... again, and again, and again: PROVE IT.

Don´t hide! PROVE PLEASE HE MISSED 2 or 3 What you said.

In fact, here is the video... c´mon, find it!



I will be here waiting your answer. Maybe you are able to explain us or support Lewis jealous stats! Sorry but as I said back this thread is simply a rubbish downplay (even based on rubbish stats) from Lewis Hamilton.

You claim to be a Seb fan so you should know Seb's driving style doesn't revolve around him apexs for slow corners. He uses the width of the track to get on the throttle early. Opposite style to Mark Webber.

I think you misunderstand the use of exaggeration in conversational English. When Lewis says Seb misses '4 apexes' and still get poles, he means that he can afford small mistakes in a lap because of the car advantage. The exaggeration is meant as both a bit of humour (ridiculous exaggerated statements used for effect are a part of British humour) and a description of how good the RB8 is right now.

So maybe he hasn't missed 4, but there are certainly a few laps I can recall Martin Brundle mentioning that Seb has missed apexes and made small mistakes yet still got pole...

and Lewis yet again makes a fool of himself...This guy never learns ,now does he?

Misses four apexes and still gets pole??..This guy is 55-18 against one of the best qualifiers on the grid...You can say anything u want about Webber but he is unarguably a phenomenal qualifier.

and before someone comes in and plays the bias card,im not a 'proper' fan of either Hamilton or Vettel.infact i used to like the prior better...but his recent actions/comments are making it more and more difficult for me to respect him..the way he conducts himself,im reasonably certain this guy has a low average IQ at best.

In the true spirit of this thread, can you please provide some evidence, facts etc to support your opinion? As I can see you are posting an opinion with no facts.

I think you misunderstand the use of exaggeration in conversational English. When Lewis says Seb misses '4 apexes' and still get poles, he means that he can afford small mistakes in a lap because of the car advantage. The exaggeration is meant as both a bit of humour (ridiculous exaggerated statements used for effect are a part of British humour) and a description of how good the RB8 is right now.

So maybe he hasn't missed 4, but there are certainly a few laps I can recall Martin Brundle mentioning that Seb has missed apexes and made small mistakes yet still got pole...

It's my opinion from watching with my own eyes. Obviously you will never get such 'facts' until either Alonso or Hamilton are in the same car as Vettel. Vettel is great at nailing a lap. LH has more than enough speed but sometimes overdoes it in quali, and Alonso has probably slightly less outright one lap speed than either of those two.

I think you misunderstand the use of exaggeration in conversational English. When Lewis says Seb misses '4 apexes' and still get poles, he means that he can afford small mistakes in a lap because of the car advantage. The exaggeration is meant as both a bit of humour (ridiculous exaggerated statements used for effect are a part of British humour) and a description of how good the RB8 is right now.

So maybe he hasn't missed 4, but there are certainly a few laps I can recall Martin Brundle mentioning that Seb has missed apexes and made small mistakes yet still got pole...

Edited by Alarcon, 03 November 2012 - 12:42.

Jelous because nobody is kissing his ass , you are too tense.

In the true spirit of this thread, can you please provide some evidence, facts etc to support your opinion? As I can see you are posting an opinion with no facts.

Ohhhhh ok and i gathered you read the whole statement yes ? but your hatred disregarded the fact he gave vettel praise

Face it guys, Hamilton either had a better or as good a qualifying car numerous times last season and Vettel continually took him to the cleaners in Q3.

Edited by study, 03 November 2012 - 12:42.

As I said... it´s just rubbish from Lewis (and people who supports those kind of rubbish). PLEASE WATCH THE LAST TURN FROM LEWIS ON HIS POLE LAP AT MALAYSIA THIS SEASON:



That´s what I call talking about FACTS and PROOFS. He missed the appex... and despite of it, he achieved the pole.

You what??? Stop being absurd.

The thing is the overdoing is when you have to push to extract more performance out of a far to make up for a deficient, when you have performance in hand you don't have to push and so you wont overdo it and make mistakes.
Again down to the car, when Lewis had a car advantage in a few races this year, do he overdo it? nope he didn't.

Ohhhhh ok and i gathered you read the whole statement yes ? but your hatred disregarded the fact he gave vettel praise

You what??? Stop being absurd.

There's nothing absurd with that, just a fact, confirmed by a Mclaren team member among others.

So you agree that getting pole after missing four apex is not due to driver skill but a far superior car?

Edited by Alarcon, 03 November 2012 - 12:49.

Firstly his 2nd statement is meaningless cuz his comments tried to completely demean him in the first statement..and 2ndly the praise is more related to Vettel's personality than his skill as a driver.and that is where ill actually agree with Hamilton..Vettel certainly carries himself a zillion times more maturely and intelligently than LH.

and No if you'd been old enough on this forum,you'd know i used to be a Hamilton supporter...not a 'fan' but he was a driver i really liked...the way he's carried himself this year has changed a lot of that though..he is becoming very very hard to like.the insecurity is just leaking out of him like anything now.

So you are claiming Button is jealous Hamilton isn't praising him with the sole agenda of detracting from a third driver's achievements (irrelevant that he really thinks that, the timing of these comments tell it all)?

Selling Jenson a bit short I think.

Face it guys, Hamilton either had a better or as good a qualifying car numerous times last season and Vettel continually took him to the cleaners in Q3. Clearly some people can't handle this simple truth, Hamilton included.

Strange he has carried himself really well this year, how he has held back after the countless screwups by the team I don't know. The thing which driver are you going to Grunge cause I bet you can find statments from each that are no better or worse then what lewis has just said. You're being a drama queen.

So, vettel calling Webber a idiot and blaming him for a accident he caused is Vettel mature?

He's digs at Alonso at Monza is mature?

Take the blinkers off.

Edited by Alarcon, 03 November 2012 - 12:51.

Strange he has carried himself really well this year, how he has held back after the countless screwups by the team I don't know. The thing which driver are you going to Grunge cause I bet you can find statments from each that are no better or worse then what lewis has just said. You're being a drama queen.

So, vettel calling Webber a idiot and blaming him for a accident he caused is Vettel mature?

He's digs at Alonso at Monza is mature?

Take the blinkers off.

Edited by grunge, 03 November 2012 - 12:55.

Strange he has carried himself really well this year, how he has held back after the countless screwups by the team I don't know. The thing which driver are you going to Grunge cause I bet you can find statments from each that are no better or worse then what lewis has just said. You're being a drama queen.

So, vettel calling Webber a idiot and blaming him for a accident he caused is Vettel mature?

He's digs at Alonso at Monza is mature?

Take the blinkers off.

ill stop now that ive read this.

Edited by study, 03 November 2012 - 12:55.

ill stop now that ive read this.

It's my opinion from watching with my own eyes. Obviously you will never get such 'facts' until either Alonso or Hamilton are in the same car as Vettel. Vettel is great at nailing a lap. LH has more than enough speed but sometimes overdoes it in quali, and Alonso has probably slightly less outright one lap speed than either of those two.

Is it me, or did Lewis miss the apex of turn 18?

Edited by joshb, 03 November 2012 - 14:14.

Hamilton has watched Vettels 36 year old team mate out qualify him 7 times this season. That's not impressive and I think Vettel would be in for a rude shock if Hamilton ever sat next to him in the same car, if he's finding a driver like Webber so competitive.