Help IDing a Rolls Royce and Fire Station Number ?

If it's any help there was a 40/50 London-Edinburgh Torpedo sold recently which was listed as 'coming from the Tragardh Collection in Sweden.

ST

And of course, back then, Sweden was an RHD country.

I'd hazard a guess that the car has not been in Sweden all its life and that the Uppsala plaque (which it certainly is) is a relatively recent addition, as are the siren and extinguisher.

ST

I'd hazard a guess that the car has not been in Sweden all its life and that the Uppsala plaque (which it certainly is) is a relatively recent addition, as are the siren and extinguisher.

ST

And your guess would be wrong.
Registration documents say that it was registered in Uppsala, with the number that is on the car in the photos, on January 31 1935. Before this it had been registered in Stockholm, but probably not for very long since the model year is indicated as 1934 (!). The registered owner is the Uppsala fire brigade.
The trace I have leads up to 1964, at which point it was still in the same region.

And your guess would be wrong.
Registration documents say that it was registered in Uppsala, with the number that is on the car in the photos, on January 31 1935. Before this it had been registered in Stockholm, but probably not for very long since the model year is indicated as 1934 (!). The registered owner is the Uppsala fire brigade.
The trace I have leads up to 1964, at which point it was still in the same region.

Great going Jonas !

Google throws up this page, which seems to be fairly well researched:



It also confirms that all Lancias were RHD until the 1960s.

Which isn't quite true - until the early 'fifties, perhaps, but my 1958 Appia was left hand drive...

And your guess would be wrong....

Not entirely! In the restoration of Edwardian and Vintage cars 'recent' can be relative. However, short of getting the records from the RREC (which you may have done I suppose) that's a good chunk of its history. Odd that an N-Series 40/50 Ghost, which by then would have been considered a bit of an old banger (!) would have been bought by the Fire Dept. Hardly a fast-response vehicle. I look forward to further discoveries regarding this car's history.

ST

Not entirely! In the restoration of Edwardian and Vintage cars 'recent' can be relative. However, short of getting the records from the RREC (which you may have done I suppose) that's a good chunk of its history. Odd that an N-Series 40/50 Ghost, which by then would have been considered a bit of an old banger (!) would have been bought by the Fire Dept. Hardly a fast-response vehicle. I look forward to further discoveries regarding this car's history.

ST

Sebastian what is RREC how would I get in touch with it/them ?

BTW Wouldn't RR have a better phrase for the term "a bit of an old banger" in the same way as "failing to proceed" = break down ?

Ralph

RREC is the Rolls Royce Enthusiasts Club RREC who have comprehensive chassis records. Yes, I expect there was a phrase! I note from one of my handbooks that the radiator and wheel-centre locks with the RR logo should be covered up in the 'unlikely' event of the car's being towed or transported on a trailer!

ST

Ralph

RREC is the Rolls Royce Enthusiasts Club RREC who have comprehensive chassis records. Yes, I expect there was a phrase! I note from one of my handbooks that the radiator and wheel-centre locks with the RR logo should be covered up in the 'unlikely' event of the car's being towed or transported on a trailer!

ST

Doh ! Should have guessed RREC

Funny these days when ever a Beemer or Audi fails to proceed it quickly gets scooped up by a low loader with tarps on the sides to hide the evidence

As I wrote a couple of days ago:

My friend that knows about Rolls Royce has sent the following:
Now confirmed, 1921 British chassis no. 19LE Hooper tourer. It's owned in Sweden by a Mr Tragardh.

No doubt the RREC may be able to fill in what 19LE did from 1921 until it appeared in Stockholm in 1934

Thanks Allan I had no idea your friend was from RREC

I have written to admin @ RREC to see if they can help.

Meantime I had an e-mail from the Uppsala City Archive to say that some one from Uppsala Fire Dept will be in touch next week

Thanks Allan I had no idea your friend was from RREC ;)

I have written to admin @ RREC to see if they can help.

Meantime I had an e-mail from the Uppsala City Archive to say that some one from Uppsala Fire Dept will be in touch next week

Isn't the Internet wonderful? How on earth did we manage everything in olden times before it arrived?

Isn't the Internet wonderful? How on earth did we manage everything in olden times before it arrived?

It all started with piles of reading material, enough to upset 'er indoors, tin cans and string IIRC

Thanks Allan I had no idea your friend was from RREC ;)

I didn't say he was - he's a member of that club (I expect) but not of its staff.
One eventually comes to have a few authoritative friends whom one can ask these things of - and vice versa when my specialist knowledge is called on.

I didn't say he was - he's a member of that club (I expect) but not of its staff.
One eventually comes to have a few authoritative friends whom one can ask these things of - and vice versa when my specialist knowledge is called on.

I see

I see ;)

said the blind man

said the blind man

Doh !

Just had an e-mail from Urban Duhrin of www.brandhistoriska.se and he has informed me the bodywork was by från Wattholma and that the vehicle was known as "Number 11" after the district in which it served with well known firecaptain/manager F W Kyhlberg. District 11 is said to be not far from Arlanda airport.

Hi Ralph!

I´ve made some searches on Google and I have found two references to
Fredrik Kylberg and a Rolls Royce that might interest you.

Both are from the chief of Almunge Fire Brigade Leif Löfgren.

Fredrik Kylberg (born 1877) worked in Stockholm Fire Brigade but after
an injury in 1918 moved to Vattholma north of the capital.

In the ´20s he rebuilt used cars with fire fighting equipments and tried
to sell them to local fire brigades. His first car was a Rolls Royce and it
was used in Vattholma. Buisness was not so good but then he came up
with a brilliant plan.

When he got news of where the local buisness men and politicians were
having a meeting he parked the RR hidden and started a little fire. He then
dashed to the car and like a white knight came to the rescue.

The plot worked and he went on to sell many rebuilt cars. Almunge for
example bought a 1923 Cadillac and a Chevrolet. Both were used as late
the early ´50s.


Christer

Hi Ralph!

I´ve made some searches on Google and I have found two references to
Fredrik Kylberg and a Rolls Royce that might interest you.

Both are from the chief of Almunge Fire Brigade Leif Löfgren.

Fredrik Kylberg (born 1877) worked in Stockholm Fire Brigade but after
an injury in 1918 moved to Vattholma north of the capital.

In the ´20s he rebuilt used cars with fire fighting equipments and tried
to sell them to local fire brigades. His first car was a Rolls Royce and it
was used in Vattholma. Buisness was not so good but then he came up
with a brilliant plan.

When he got news of where the local buisness men and politicians were
having a meeting he parked the RR hidden and started a little fire. He then
dashed to the car and like a white knight came to the rescue.

The plot worked and he went on to sell many rebuilt cars. Almunge for
example bought a 1923 Cadillac and a Chevrolet. Both were used as late
the early ´50s.


Christer

Christer thanks very much for the info on Fredrik Kylberg

Thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread, here is a link to the blog :-

Get The Fire Brigade ! – Rolls Royce 40/50

Just a little thing Ralph.

Gustav von Essen doesn´t live in Friherre, he IS a Friherre.

It´s a swedish noble title, the next highest after Greve (Count),
introduced in 1561. Originally it comes from the German-Roman
empire and corresponds to Baronet.

Von Essen lived in Vattholma which explains his interest in
the Rolls Royce fire fighter.


Christer

Edited by ChrisJson, 31 December 2012 - 16:33.

Great stuff Ralph. I know it's been said 'n' times before but it never ceases to amaze me how TNF-ers can always get to the bottom of the most obscure bit of motoring history. The story about Fredrik Kylberg and his entrepreneurial skills was the icing on the cake! Well done

ST

Great stuff Ralph. I know it's been said 'n' times before but it never ceases to amaze me how TNF-ers can always get to the bottom of the most obscure bit of motoring history. The story about Fredrik Kylberg and his entrepreneurial skills was the icing on the cake! Well done

ST

All credit to TNF all I did was ask the questions ST