Who do you want to win the WDC?

Well that's what he has said, I'm not making anything up, why does it matter what I say about Alonso anyway? Does it bother you that much really?

Edited by Creepy, 14 November 2012 - 04:40.

Yes you did since Alonso has not said such things in the time frame you pointed out.

And this thread isn't about what bothers me or not. It's about the driver you prefeer to win, only that since you brought along an argument to put down Alonso I felt the need to debate it. It's nothing personal.

Canada - equal
Valencia - won the race
Silverstone - equal
Germany - best car/won the race

And before that, in Spain he had a better car, in Monaco he had an equal car. So yes, yes he did.

I think it's way more disrespectful this:
http://www.autosport...t.php/id/104175

He knows his car is better than the Ferrari, he's leading the championship... He has the WDC in his bag. So really, I don't understand why he needed to point out this when the WDC still has not finished. Perhaps the second paragraph of the article is the problem so he needs to announce that him winning would be as worthy as if Alonso won it? I mean, he may be right but that he needs to announce it like that is really arrogant.

Edited by BackOnTop, 14 November 2012 - 08:25.

You add up all the negatives of Alonso ... personal behaviour, attitude to other drivers/teams, blackmail history, lack of competitive teammates, team orders when they were illegal, huge team budget compared to others (and funnelled into 1 driver/car), illegal tobacco sponsorship, etc etc...

He even invented the finger waving in the 2005/6 seasons that people give Vettel so much **** about.

It's a real enigma to me how fans and especially Brits will gloss over all those negatives yet lay it thick on SV. This season Alonso has been fantastic, but Vettel has had less crashes, more mechanical issues and time after time pulled off clinical overtaking moves when he really had to get ahead of someone, when we have seen Alonso, Webber, etc. repeatedly getting stuck behind someone for a whole stint.

While some suggest Massa’s teammate Alonso is the more ‘deserving’ champion of 2012, the Brazilian thinks Red Bull’s Sebastian Vettel would also be a worthy winner.


Felipe Massa
“I think Fernando did an incredible job up to now, Sebastian as well, especially in the second part of the championship,” said Massa.

“So I think we are not talking about one guy who has many victories and the other one not. I think we are talking about two drivers, one of which will win and who we will say deserved it.”

Seems everybody has an opinion on the matter.

http://www.bbc.co.uk.../11/benson.html

In Malaysia, he cost himself a fourth place by sweeping too early across the front of Narain Karthikeyan’s HRT while lapping it. There was a hint of frustration and a sense of entitlement about the move – as there was in his post-race comments in which he called Karthikeyan an “idiot”.

Edited by H2H, 14 November 2012 - 10:37.

A lot of so called "analyses" simply declare RBR to be a faster car, but is that really a fact? Gut feeling I am afraid is sometimes misleading, especially if a rival driver can circle tracks in metronomic precision, unappreciated by most.

Let me ask this then... Do you think Hamilton and Alonso are the type of drivers to qualify between 3 tenths and a second off pole consistently?

Edited by H2H, 14 November 2012 - 10:43.

Hamilton certainly did not and enjoyed mostly the fastest car. McLaren as a team did certainly not deliver as well as Red Bull Racing and Ferrari. Race pace is a different story and Red Bull and especially Ferrari were more competitive there.

So giving praise and admiting other team's strengths is arrogant. Amazing.

Don't forget Alonso said we are NOT ONLY FIGHTING VETTEL, we are also fighting Newey. That's not taking anything away from Vettel but admitting Newey's designs are being extremely competititve and hard to race against.

Alonso, he deserves a third championship more than Vettel.

Yes you did since Alonso has not said such things in the time frame you pointed out.

And this thread isn't about what bothers me or not. It's about the driver you prefeer to win, only that since you brought along an argument to put down Alonso I felt the need to debate it. It's nothing personal, it's just a forum thing.

Yes, never mind the 20 seconds gap Vettel had before the safety car. It is funny how Vettel fans twist the Valencia result all the time. On any other thread, Alonso only won because the safety car and because Vettel retired, hence Alonso the inheritor. Now, you are using the Valencia result in favor of "Alonso having equal or better car". Genius

I hope it's his English (a lot of us don't have English as mother tongue) but I fail to understand why he believes our problem is with him wanting Vettel to win instead of Alonso when we clearly pointed out what our problem was.

I really think this issue is slightly off-topic but since it was used "as an argument" to support either driver I felt the need to debate it...



Not sure if sarcasm, but in case it isn't, I don't understand why throwing such praise to a car designer is so disrespectful.

I think it's way more disrespectful this:
http://www.autosport...t.php/id/104175

He knows his car is better than the Ferrari, he's leading the championship... He has the WDC in his bag. So really, I don't understand why he needed to point out this when the WDC still has not finished. Perhaps the second paragraph of the article is the problem so he needs to announce that him winning would be as worthy as if Alonso won it? I mean, he may be right but that he needs to announce it like that is really arrogant.

Not sure if sarcasm, but in case it isn't, I don't understand why throwing such praise to a car designer is so disrespectful.

I think it's way more disrespectful this:
http://www.autosport...t.php/id/104175

He knows his car is better than the Ferrari, he's leading the championship... He has the WDC in his bag. So really, I don't understand why he needed to point out this when the WDC still has not finished. Perhaps the second paragraph of the article is the problem so he needs to announce that him winning would be as worthy as if Alonso won it? I mean, he may be right but that he needs to announce it like that is really arrogant.

Vettel of course. Better driver, better person, more deserving.

Do you know any of them?

Yes.

Sean baby ( ), just out of curiosity, how have you managed to keep posting/following the forum when Sandy had it's say where you live?

Pics or it didn't happen.

Do you know any of them?

Edited by choyothe, 14 November 2012 - 20:31.

Sebastian Vettel still an immature F1 driver - Jacques Villeneuve
By Michele Lostia and Pablo Elizalde Wednesday, November 14th 2012, 10:35 GMT

Sebastian Vettel still needs to mature as a Formula 1 driver according to former world champion Jacques Villeneuve, who believes the German "reacts like a child".

The Canadian, who won the Formula 1 title in 1997 with Williams, believes Vettel's Ferrari rival Fernando Alonso is a stronger driver when it comes to dealing with adverse situations.

Villeneuve, however, reckons Vettel is nearly invincible when he can lead a race from the front.

"I have no doubts: Fernando Alonso is the best, that's why I root for him," Villeneuve told Autosprint magazine.

"Seb is super quick, but there is a difference with Fernando that emerges in case of an unfavourable situation.

"Alonso remains calm, cool, and rational, while Vettel most of times gets upset, angry, screams and flicks the middle finger. He reacts like a child.

What did you expect him to say? "Alonso deserves the championship more than me"??

after abu dhabi:
Alonso is quoted by Switzerland's Blick: "When your competitor climbs from last place to the podium next to you, then it is clear that we are fighting against the best car."
giving credit to the opponent at its best, especially considering mclaren was the fastest car of the weekend.

Edited by Creepy, 14 November 2012 - 22:19.

He may be slightly wrong at times, but I don't see how what he said was a bad thing to Vettel.