Last year, the teams gave their predictions for India, and almost all of them were waaaaaaaaaaay off the markWeird that Vettel is in the 1:38s already, I thought that was the predicted quali range?
United States Grand Prix Free Practice 1 and 2 thread
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 17:05
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 17:05
New tyres or not being over 2 seconds quicker than anyone else bar Hamilton is quite something.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 17:08
1.5 sec is huge but then he is also 2.5 ahead of his team mate. I doubt he is that much faster than the res of the field
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 17:09
Maybe, maybe not.New tyres or not being over 2 seconds quicker than anyone else bar Hamilton is quite something.
We'll see in the next couple days.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 17:10
This is quite speculative but Vettel was not the best in sector 1 (fast and flowing) but was a whopping 0.9s faster in sector 3 (slower and twisty)
Where would newer tires normally give the bigger advantage? It probably is the slower section isn't it?
Where would newer tires normally give the bigger advantage? It probably is the slower section isn't it?
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 17:15
Everywhere. New tyres = better grip and better traction so you can go out of corner faster and brake later.
Edited by Massa, 16 November 2012 - 17:15.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 17:23
This is quite speculative but Vettel was not the best in sector 1 (fast and flowing) but was a whopping 0.9s faster in sector 3 (slower and twisty)
Where would newer tires normally give the bigger advantage? It probably is the slower section isn't it?
everybody should calm down, there's absolutely no way vettel is that much faster than the rest of the field, he hasn't even had that advantage in his RB6 and RB7 days.
take a look at the temperature graph of the track, how it rose towards the end, add in a lighter fuel load and new tires + a very good lap, and you get that advantage.
it will definitely change come fp2, you won't see it again.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 17:28
Lobato: This is scary, isn't it?
Gené: This is like a horror movie
Gené: This is like a horror movie
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 17:30
I don't know which is more overrated, the thrill of the hill or Vettel's time.
Let me help you... the hill. Your violin has been heard many times.
Edited by ViMaMo, 16 November 2012 - 17:34.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 17:32
Pole will be around low 1:36 or high 1:35 I thinkWeird that Vettel is in the 1:38s already, I thought that was the predicted quali range?
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 17:34
Is this real? They for sure know more than us.Lobato: This is scary, isn't it?
Gené: This is like a horror movie
Edited by ivand911, 16 November 2012 - 17:35.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 17:36
I don't think anybody says Vettel has that big advantage in true pace over everybody.
It's unusual to have that big a gap in FP1 is all...
The track will rubber in all weekend and likely the improvement in pace when qualy comes will be several full seconds.. but right now the other teams can already look at Vettel's lap, do a quick calculation with the fuel load they ran and see where they stack.. for instance HRT maybe needed a fuel load a long waaaay into the negatives to have done that lap
It's unusual to have that big a gap in FP1 is all...
The track will rubber in all weekend and likely the improvement in pace when qualy comes will be several full seconds.. but right now the other teams can already look at Vettel's lap, do a quick calculation with the fuel load they ran and see where they stack.. for instance HRT maybe needed a fuel load a long waaaay into the negatives to have done that lap
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 17:37
Let me help you... the hill. Your violin has been heard many times.
Not as much as people getting too excited about the first turn. Hell there are better corners just in the first sector.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 17:46
Because RB car is relatively slow in top speed, but good in turns, and having a driver like Sebastian who complements the car well makes the difference in charts.This is quite speculative but Vettel was not the best in sector 1 (fast and flowing) but was a whopping 0.9s faster in sector 3 (slower and twisty)
Where would newer tires normally give the bigger advantage? It probably is the slower section isn't it?
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 17:46
Vettel put on a new set of tyres, the rest didn't - or am I wrong?
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 17:55
The track is very cool, it was noted in the broadcast but I agree negotiating lapped traffic through sector 1 could get interesting.. there's just no spot to get out of the way at all.
They somehow manage it at Suzuka.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 18:05
Vettel put on a new set of tyres, the rest didn't - or am I wrong?
Well he didn't have that flo-vis on the tyre earlier in the session.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 18:07
Not as much as people getting too excited about the first turn. Hell there are better corners just in the first sector.
Why is it you seem to know better? Why can't people feel excited about the first corner? Been there done that?
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 18:13
Pole will be around low 1:36 or high 1:35 I think
he has done a 138 already. More chance of it being a 133 at least.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 18:14
Well he didn't have that flo-vis on the tyre earlier in the session.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 18:17
Vettel put on a new set of tyres, the rest didn't - or am I wrong?
That is very likely.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 18:20
he has done a 138 already. More chance of it being a 133 at least.
FIVE seconds quicker? I strongly doubt that, even if it's very green today.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 18:21
So is there a suggestion teams have mostly saved the second set so they have 3 sets for FP2? From what I saw I thought everyone put on a second set around the same time.
I know STR ran both sets, as there were comments from Ricciardo on team radio about how different the sets felt.
I know STR ran both sets, as there were comments from Ricciardo on team radio about how different the sets felt.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 18:26
Michael Wise @SkySportsMike
McLaren's Paddy Lowe says Jenson Button was "rallying" in P1. "Shocking" lack of grip. Also, Vettel time set on new tyres.
McLaren's Paddy Lowe says Jenson Button was "rallying" in P1. "Shocking" lack of grip. Also, Vettel time set on new tyres.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 18:31
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Turns out Vettel's mega two laps at end of P1 were set on an effectively new set of tyres (he did his installation lap on them)
I guess that's just symptomatic of Red Bull not really needing two sets of tyres for the number of laps they did. They were able to keep one set until the very death. Wonder if Webber did too...
Turns out Vettel's mega two laps at end of P1 were set on an effectively new set of tyres (he did his installation lap on them)
I guess that's just symptomatic of Red Bull not really needing two sets of tyres for the number of laps they did. They were able to keep one set until the very death. Wonder if Webber did too...
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 18:33
Michael Wise @SkySportsMike
McLaren's Paddy Lowe says Jenson Button was "rallying" in P1. "Shocking" lack of grip. Also, Vettel time set on new tyres.
Poor jenson...
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 18:43
Alonso used 2 sets of primes. Not sure about Hamilton though.Vettel put on a new set of tyres, the rest didn't - or am I wrong?
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 18:50
No chance. Maybe they will go 2,5 seconds faster at most.he has done a 138 already. More chance of it being a 133 at least.
Edited by DutchQuicksilver, 16 November 2012 - 18:52.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 18:56
we will see what's really good in this session... though I suspect RB do have the quickest car here...no suprises there
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 18:58
Is this real? They for sure know more than us.
Gene was half joking.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 19:03
Nice to see the spectators motor homes are better than HRTs! Lol
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 19:05
Live timing not working again?
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 19:05
Nice to see the spectators motor homes are better than HRTs! Lol
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 19:06
That Lotus looks like a handful...
Circuit looks great from the on board cameras.. bravo
Circuit looks great from the on board cameras.. bravo
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 19:08
Vettel very fast again in FP2 on opening lap while all the rest are sliding everywhere, could he have traction control? 
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 19:10
I know its not likely to happen this weekend but should there be epic amounts if rain would the dip on the S/F straight become heavily flooded... Hope there is sufficient drainage
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 19:15
What Mercedes car is doing so high up?
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 19:16
Is Rosberg cutting a chicane somewhere?
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 19:16
If they could hide it in the Standard ECU supplied by McLaren Electronics.Vettel very fast again in FP2 on opening lap while all the rest are sliding everywhere, could he have traction control?
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 19:16
That Lotus looks like a handful...
Circuit looks great from the on board cameras.. bravo
Of which there isn't enough. Likewise low shots. Most of the shots wish to portray the entire facility/entire straights/entire complex of corners. Far too many high shots making the cars look slow as usual.
Edited by Disgrace, 16 November 2012 - 19:17.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 19:17
RB reliability never fails to annoy. 
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 19:18
Live timing stopped working
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 19:18
Did I just see the kerb painting chipping off?
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 19:18
RB reliability never fails to annoy.
Is it both or just Vettel?
Better now than in the race...
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 19:18
Vettel with "a water system" issue. Managed a single flying lap, but still a good one.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 19:19
Bad reliability is no different than bad car pace. Both are dependent of car design.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 19:19
Is it both or just Vettel?
Better now than in the race...
Well Mark's issues were annoying for me in India.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 19:22
They should stop this stopping on pit exit under green light. That's ridiculous.
