Kers in 09 - McLaren, Ferrari, and Renault (who pulled it off relatively early)
To be fair, both cars pretty much sucked.
Tell me again what Kers powered cars Jenson was chopping up?
New Hamilton leaving macca theory?
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TomCupra
, Nov 15 2012 14:40
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:49
Like he did in 2011? Sorry but we can't pretend Lewis hasn't been beaten by Jenson, regardless of circumstance...
To be fair, I would say Jenson outscored Lewis, beating him.. nah. Quali results and positions on track when Lewis decided to implode indicate he wasnt beaten.
But being in the wall at spa and mating with Felipes Ferrari is not a good way to score points.
I think its fair to say Lewis is pretty damn fast, but Jenson has done a good job over their time together.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 05:53
This.
"McLaren looks set to finish runner-up in the constructors' championship for the second consecutive season and is turning more and more of its attention to next year's car. The team has already said that it wants to adopt an evolutionary approach to its 2012 car and Lowe said Button's feedback is central to that as well as the car for 2014, when the regulations are set for an overhaul."
"The answer is crucial," Lowe responded when asked by ESPNF1 during the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes phone-in how important Button is for development. "Having a good driver with good feedback is essential still in Formula One even though these days we have far more tools to work with and more simulations etcetera. We are still very reliant on the drivers' feedback for the changes and indeed his suggestions for the changes we make.
"Having Jenson on board for years to come is now a great step, because it [provides] a very solid base in terms of a driver that we can rely on for feedback through that phase that you described [up to 2014]. Jenson obviously is very experienced and was for many years before he even came to McLaren, so that all contributes."
Oh Button, Button...
You lot again demonstrating your total lack of understanding. This quote is brought out so many times by clueless Hamilton fans to demonstrate that the car was designed to suit Button.
If you actually read the quote it says nothing like that, what it actually says is that Button provides very good feedback to the engineers that helps them in the design process. If you can't understand the difference, I can't say I'm particularly surprised.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 06:50
You lot again demonstrating your total lack of understanding. This quote is brought out so many times by clueless Hamilton fans to demonstrate that the car was designed to suit Button.
If you actually read the quote it says nothing like that, what it actually says is that Button provides very good feedback to the engineers that helps them in the design process. If you can't understand the difference, I can't say I'm particularly surprised.
You're the one who are clueless about what it implies...
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 06:59
You know that Button is not talking about the car, it is a message to the team.
He says the following.
1. I am happy to be the No.1 driver
2. I have faith in my team and believe you will built a great car
He says the following.
1. I am happy to be the No.1 driver
2. I have faith in my team and believe you will built a great car
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 07:21
Oh nice another place for the Hammy brigade to vent their anger....says a lot.
And the quote says that the car should suit him better NOT that it was designed around him...there's a difference but don't let that spoil that hate fest.
(this is just more JB v LH)
And the quote says that the car should suit him better NOT that it was designed around him...there's a difference but don't let that spoil that hate fest.
(this is just more JB v LH)
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 07:32
Oh nice another place for the Hammy brigade to vent their anger....says a lot.
And the quote says that the car should suit him better NOT that it was designed around him...there's a difference but don't let that spoil that hate fest.
(this is just more JB v LH)
or:
Lala's v Reality
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 07:36
I assume you mean you think it implies that Hamilton doesn't give very good feedback?You're the one who are clueless about what it implies...
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 09:06
Buttons new comments about his high 13' cars hopes. Quoted as saying 'next years car should suit me a lot better which is very exciting!'.
Maybe Hamilton had a contract offer but as the number 2 driver and he knew next years car was being built around Button!?
Jenson said that about this years car...
"McLaren looks set to finish runner-up in the constructors' championship for the second consecutive season and is turning more and more of its attention to next year's car. The team has already said that it wants to adopt an evolutionary approach to its 2012 car and Lowe said Button's feedback is central to that as well as the car for 2014, when the regulations are set for an overhaul."
"The answer is crucial," Lowe responded when asked by ESPNF1 during the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes phone-in how important Button is for development. "Having a good driver with good feedback is essential still in Formula One even though these days we have far more tools to work with and more simulations etcetera. We are still very reliant on the drivers' feedback for the changes and indeed his suggestions for the changes we make.
"Having Jenson on board for years to come is now a great step, because it [provides] a very solid base in terms of a driver that we can rely on for feedback through that phase that you described [up to 2014]. Jenson obviously is very experienced and was for many years before he even came to McLaren, so that all contributes."
Oh Button, Button...
Sorry to be quoting all of this but essentially, thats how the posts were put up and nobody is again venting on JB. Just that JB's inputs have also been used to develope the previous/this year's cars but he says next year's car will be more suited to his liking. Thats being the talk here.
Edited by ViMaMo, 16 November 2012 - 09:10.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 11:20
It a major weakness which none of the top drivers (Hamilton, Alonso, Kimi and Vettel) haveJenson has this issue with tyre temps, just can't heat them up in that narrow window. In 2009, whilst his quali sucked in the second half of the season, his race performances were exemplary.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 11:53
I assume you mean you think it implies that Hamilton doesn't give very good feedback?
That's why he's faster than button...
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 13:19
It a major weakness which none of the top drivers (Hamilton, Alonso, Kimi and Vettel) have
Yep. He never used to have this problem. He was pretty good on the Michelins and Bridgestones.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 14:29
I just hope for Jenson that next year McLaren don't build a '04 or '06 type of car... 
You never know with this team anymore
You never know with this team anymore
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 14:39
Kimi is absolutely hopeless in heating tyres, just look at his disastrous 2008 season in which he ought to have walked the title and set something like 10 fastest laps or something in...It a major weakness which none of the top drivers (Hamilton, Alonso, Kimi and Vettel) have
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 21:16
That Mclaren relies on Button's feedback to develop its cars.... so did they for 2012 car.
And at the start of 2012, the car suited Jenson very well.
Nice try but KERS cars were heavier.
I think you might mean "less well balanced", I'm pretty sure all cars conformed to minimum weight.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 21:20
Kers in 09 - McLaren, Ferrari, and Renault (who pulled it off relatively early)
To be fair, both cars pretty much sucked.
Tell me again what Kers powered cars Jenson was chopping up?
KERS powered cars were fast in a straight line, which made them very difficult to overtake.
Jenson's pass on Lewis in Bahrain comes to mind.
