Best 1xWDC
#1
Posted 19 November 2012 - 20:38
Please give reasons why you feel they are the best single champion.
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#2
Posted 19 November 2012 - 20:43
For mostly everybody else on the list, 'Formula 1 World Champion' is probably at the top of their resume. for Andretti, it's probably 6th.
#3
Posted 19 November 2012 - 20:44
#4
Posted 19 November 2012 - 20:54
He was the fastest of all when in 1967 most F1 drivers (Clark, Hill, Stewart, Hulme, Brabham, Surtees you name 'em) mixed it with the upcoming talents in the new F2 formula in almost equal material. When he finally got a really good F1 car he was peerless.
#5
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:01
#6
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:02
#7
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:02
#8
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:03
All these votes, yet silence...
#9
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:03
#10
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:04
#11
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:05
Edited by tommi34, 19 November 2012 - 21:08.
#12
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:06
Andretti.
For mostly everybody else on the list, 'Formula 1 World Champion' is probably at the top of their resume. For Andretti, it's probably 6th.
#13
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:10
Lewis won his only championship on a season when Felipe Massa was his greatest rival after Kimi Räikkönen underperforming (and suffer from team policy), Heikki Kovalainen was his team mate and the other teams weren't even close to him. I wouldn't say him and I'm afraid that'll also be his only championship.
This is not a poll comparing the individual years these champions won their respective titles. The most recent four in that list, Villeneuve/Hamilton/Button/Raikkonen (have) had better years than their championship years in my opinion.
#14
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:10
Andretti.
For mostly everybody else on the list, 'Formula 1 World Champion' is probably at the top of their resume. for Andretti, it's probably 6th.
I voted Andretti too. He was probably even past his absolute peak when he won his WDC - think what he could have achieved if he joined the Lotus F1 team full time in the late 60s.
#15
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:10
#16
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:13
This is not a poll comparing the individual years these champions won their respective titles. The most recent four in that list, Villeneuve/Hamilton/Button/Raikkonen (have) had better years than their championship years in my opinion.
Well yeah, that's true - actually Kimi & Lewis both have had 2-3 better years than their championship years.
#17
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:14
#18
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:17
Hamilton. With a bit more luck....
Yeah you´re right, Rindt had probably much more luck than Hamilton in his career.
#19
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:18
Damon and jenson have similar precise styles, but not the ultimate speed. Andretti of course was very good but not that fast and Rosberg clearly lucked into is championship a bit like Villeneuve. They were good, no doubt, but not at the top level.
Can't judge the others, but I have the feeling Rindt was pretty awesome.
Edited by Taxi, 19 November 2012 - 21:20.
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#20
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:21
#21
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:21
#22
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:23
Mansell, Hami, and Kimi. Mansell could be mega fast, beating Prost in qualifiyng in 1990 for exemple, and beating Piquet in 1986.
I would rather vote for Damon Hill as best 1x WDC than for Mansell - and yes i´m serious.
Mansell is for me the most overhyped british driver of all time.
I still liked to see him racing though. He was spectcular to watch (but so was JP Montoya e.g. ....).
#23
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:26
Hamilton. With a bit more luck he would now already be a 3x WDC. 2007, 2008, 2012. Heck, even 2010 would've been possible.
Same with Kimi! With a bit more luck he would have won in 2003, 2005 and 2007. Both were actually "lucky" (but still deserved it) when they won their WDC. ... but you know that Macca/Mercedes knows how to **** up at title!
Then again I think that this thread is misleading as Ham just won the last race (you´re only as good as your last race) and peeps tend to vote for the guys they saw driving (the current drivers)
#24
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:26
Damon and jenson have similar precise styles, but not the ultimate speed. Andretti of course was very good but not that fast and Rosberg clearly lucked into is championship a bit like Villeneuve. They were good, no doubt, but not at the top level.
Pole for his first GP (and his penultimate one).
#25
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:32
Andretti and JV not only won F1 titles but cleaned up IndyCar/Indy 500 wins when CART was an F1 rival...and better in so many ways.
Also...and this is VERY significant...they both went from US to Europe, not the other way.
All a poll like this shows is most here dont care for history, only for favourites and what happened yesterday.
#26
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:36
#27
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:36
Jochen Rindt.
He was the fastest of all when in 1967 most F1 drivers (Clark, Hill, Stewart, Hulme, Brabham, Surtees you name 'em) mixed it with the upcoming talents in the new F2 formula in almost equal material. When he finally got a really good F1 car he was peerless.
This.
#28
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:40
Should have one title more and Schumacher one less
#29
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:41
Same league as Prost? No way. Same league as Hakkinen, maybe, nut not more.Damon is so underrated, he was in the same league as Prost, great development skills, good speed and could go the extra mile when necessary.
Should have one title more and Schumacher one less
#30
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:46
#31
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:47
#32
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:50
#33
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:53
But I think I'm gonna have to go with Jochen Rindt, but very, very close.
I'd say (rating to eachother, not trying to give percentages over a lap):
Jochen Rindt 100
Lewis Hamilton 99.7
Kimi Räikkonen 98.5
Nigel Mansell 97.5
Damon Hill 96 ( )
I agree that Damon is underrated, though I wouldn't put him near Prost ;)
Edited by mnmracer, 19 November 2012 - 21:54.
#34
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:55
#35
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:55
Quite a few talented drivers in that bunch though.
Edited by Risil, 19 November 2012 - 21:57.
#36
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:56
Is Damon underrated? Yes, massively so. Is he the best on this list? Nope, but then that's nothing to be ashamed of.Damon is so underrated, he was in the same league as Prost, great development skills, good speed and could go the extra mile when necessary.
Should have one title more and Schumacher one less
#37
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:57
#38
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:57
Rindt without any doubt. He was still young when he died. With more luck he could have been around until early eighties and be a multiple WDC by that time. His 1970 was highly impressive, won each time when was able to finish the race. But in his earlier career has shown some extraordinary speed as well. I believe there was an enormous potential in him and he could be considered today at the level of Fangio, Senna, Prost and Schumacher if his career was as long as it could have been.
I voted for Mario but I can also see the case for Rindt. He was, in fact, younger than Mario and so could have had another decade at least in F1. However, I understand that he was considering retirement on winning the WDC because of the safety circumstances of the time.
#39
Posted 19 November 2012 - 21:59
This is so incredibly hard...
But I think I'm gonna have to go with Jochen Rindt, but very, very close.
I'd say (rating to eachother, not trying to give percentages over a lap):
Jochen Rindt 100
Lewis Hamilton 99.7
Kimi Räikkonen 98.5
Nigel Mansell 97.5
Damon Hill 96 ( )
I agree that Damon is underrated, though I wouldn't put him near Prost ;)
I'm not sure how you can rate DH and trash JV. 1996 suggests that JV had more potential.
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#40
Posted 19 November 2012 - 22:01
+1. On both counts.I voted Mansell, I don't think still driving WDC should be in the poll
#41
Posted 19 November 2012 - 22:02
Lewis Hamilton [ 38 ] [39.18%]
#42
Posted 19 November 2012 - 22:02
I voted Mansell, I don't think still driving WDC should be in the poll
Nigel never announced his retirement!
#43
Posted 19 November 2012 - 22:03
I'd love to meet John Surtees. I was reading Mick Walker's biography of him and it said that he hit a cow on the Isle of Man. I had to reread that line as I was convinced that I'd misread. How on earth anyone could survive that I have no idea.Surtees or Mario, based on Gm914's Law.
Quite a few talented drivers in that bunch though.
#44
Posted 19 November 2012 - 22:05
I'm not sure how you can rate DH and trash JV. 1996 suggests that JV had more potential.
But Damon isnt a NASCAR singer.
#45
Posted 19 November 2012 - 22:05
I was waiting for a Surtees mention. Two wheels and four.Surtees or Mario, based on Gm914's Law.
Quite a few talented drivers in that bunch though.
Only 1 vote.
#46
Posted 19 November 2012 - 22:08
I was waiting for a Surtees mention. Two wheels and four.
Only 1 vote.
Ah yes, so he is not a 1xWDC in truth.
#47
Posted 19 November 2012 - 22:11
I'm not sure how you can rate DH and trash JV. 1996 suggests that JV had more potential.
But in that regard he might have been similar to Hamilton - meaning, that he didn´t improve all too much after his rookie year mainly because he started in F1 perfectly prepared.
Edited by LiJu914, 19 November 2012 - 22:11.
#48
Posted 19 November 2012 - 22:13
#49
Posted 19 November 2012 - 22:14
But in that regard he might have been similar to Hamilton - meaning, that he didn´t improve all too much after his rookie year mainly because he started in F1 perfectly prepared.
His rookie year, as great as it was, is his 4th best season by my reckoning.
#50
Posted 19 November 2012 - 22:18
I was waiting for a Surtees mention. Two wheels and four.
Only 1 vote.
I think with Surtees and Rindt, its more that most here wouldnt have seen them. I personally only vote on what I've actually seen, reputation however is different.
How else would Hamilton and Raikkonen have so many votes...and others so little.